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Rsanders729
12-08-2019, 06:11 AM
Just a few quick questions about the Envoy Cadet program and more specifically towards being a Cadet Instructor at one of Envoy's Partner Schools. Im separating from the military after close to 9 years of active duty and will most likely be instructing at one of Envoy's Partner Schools in the DFW area starting later this month. I know that with me living in the DFW area that Envoy is the most likely the regional I want to go with. So my questions are, if selected to be an envoy cadet instructor when do the health insurance benefits kick in, as well as when do all the other benefits kick in as well? Also is being a cadet instructor really worth it in regard to having a better pick when base/equipment is assigned in new hire? Lastly if anyone could give some insight on the pay as a cadet instructor with Envoy that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!


smtx123
12-08-2019, 07:01 AM
Just a few quick questions about the Envoy Cadet program and more specifically towards being a Cadet Instructor at one of Envoy's Partner Schools. Im separating from the military after close to 9 years of active duty and will most likely be instructing at one of Envoy's Partner Schools in the DFW area starting later this month. I know that with me living in the DFW area that Envoy is the most likely the regional I want to go with. So my questions are, if selected to be an envoy cadet instructor when do the health insurance benefits kick in, as well as when do all the other benefits kick in as well? Also is being a cadet instructor really worth it in regard to having a better pick when base/equipment is assigned in new hire? Lastly if anyone could give some insight on the pay as a cadet instructor with Envoy that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

So first youíre gonna apply through airlineapps.com, and then go through an interview just like a normal street hire. If selected, then you commit to envoy. If youíre already at a partner school then tell them which one, or they can help place you. Youíre paid whatever the flight school pays you for instructing. If I remember correctly, the school sent my paycheck to envoy, then envoy would pay me through their payroll system. I donít remember exactly when health benefits kick in. Flight benefits start once you commit to the program, which is great. As for picking base and aircraft, as a cadet youíll pick first. Youíll be placed in seniority using DOH among the other cadets. We really have no idea what theyíre gonna do class wise, but the majority of time there are 175 slots, and being a cadet greatly increases your chances of getting a 175 slot. Thatís assuming you really want the 175. If you have any other questions feel free to DM me.

pitchattitude
12-08-2019, 08:22 AM
Just a few quick questions about the Envoy Cadet program and more specifically towards being a Cadet Instructor at one of Envoy's Partner Schools. Im separating from the military after close to 9 years of active duty and will most likely be instructing at one of Envoy's Partner Schools in the DFW area starting later this month. I know that with me living in the DFW area that Envoy is the most likely the regional I want to go with. So my questions are, if selected to be an envoy cadet instructor when do the health insurance benefits kick in, as well as when do all the other benefits kick in as well? Also is being a cadet instructor really worth it in regard to having a better pick when base/equipment is assigned in new hire? Lastly if anyone could give some insight on the pay as a cadet instructor with Envoy that would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
So just to be clear, you are not flying in the military?


Rsanders729
12-08-2019, 08:32 AM
So just to be clear, you are not flying in the military?

No, I was an aviation mechanic.

MEGAFUPM
12-08-2019, 08:58 AM
The last few months all the 175 slots have gone to ORD. Not sure if everyone has bid ORD purposely or if they could choose DFW like they always could for some time now. But since we got a TDY for DFW 175 FO to ORD 175 FO I'd assume they didn't have an option for DFW. Would be a good question for a recruiter. All 145s have gone to LGA. Either case at most it'll probably take 6-8 months at most to get back to DFW.

Also depending on how far out you are with your flight times this could all mean nothing as things are changing constantly.

Rsanders729
12-08-2019, 09:59 AM
So first youíre gonna apply through airlineapps.com, and then go through an interview just like a normal street hire. If selected, then you commit to envoy. If youíre already at a partner school then tell them which one, or they can help place you. Youíre paid whatever the flight school pays you for instructing. If I remember correctly, the school sent my paycheck to envoy, then envoy would pay me through their payroll system. I donít remember exactly when health benefits kick in. Flight benefits start once you commit to the program, which is great. As for picking base and aircraft, as a cadet youíll pick first. Youíll be placed in seniority using DOH among the other cadets. We really have no idea what theyíre gonna do class wise, but the majority of time there are 175 slots, and being a cadet greatly increases your chances of getting a 175 slot. Thatís assuming you really want the 175. If you have any other questions feel free to DM me.


Thanks for the info man!

lbell
12-08-2019, 08:28 PM
Follow Envoy Recruiting's Facebook page. They always post a new hire class pic, with the stats of who's going to which base & to which airplane.

This will give ya an idea of what's going on...while you are still getting out of the Military.

https://www.facebook.com/153070714755977/posts/2845237298872625/?sfnsn=mo

DirectHISER
12-10-2019, 08:56 AM
The last few months all the 175 slots have gone to ORD. Not sure if everyone has bid ORD purposely or if they could choose DFW like they always could for some time now. But since we got a TDY for DFW 175 FO to ORD 175 FO I'd assume they didn't have an option for DFW. Would be a good question for a recruiter. All 145s have gone to LGA. Either case at most it'll probably take 6-8 months at most to get back to DFW.

Also depending on how far out you are with your flight times this could all mean nothing as things are changing constantly.

I have read several posts about all 175 classes becoming more prevalent, so is there any chance a new hire would see an all 145 class? I have been told they are moving away from the 145's at a very slow rate, but what is the distribution of these 145 spots like?

dera
12-10-2019, 09:41 AM
I have read several posts about all 175 classes becoming more prevalent, so is there any chance a new hire would see an all 145 class? I have been told they are moving away from the 145's at a very slow rate, but what is the distribution of these 145 spots like?

Impossible to say. Late last year they had 2 100% 175 classes, followed by a 100% 145 class.

Varsity
12-10-2019, 11:23 AM
I have read several posts about all 175 classes becoming more prevalent, so is there any chance a new hire would see an all 145 class? I have been told they are moving away from the 145's at a very slow rate, but what is the distribution of these 145 spots like?

The 145 fleet is twice the size of the 175 fleet. It needs twice the pilots, including twice the new hire F/O's.

dera
12-10-2019, 11:41 AM
The 145 fleet is twice the size of the 175 fleet. It needs twice the pilots, including twice the new hire F/O's.

It's nowhere near twice the size.
Right now it's 69 E75s v. 105 E140/145s, predicted to be 75 v. 102 in March.

Varsity
12-11-2019, 01:52 AM
It's nowhere near twice the size.
Right now it's 69 E75s v. 105 E140/145s, predicted to be 75 v. 102 in March.

Considering the staffing requirements for 4 bases and the type of flying the 145 does, the pilot group is easily twice the size of the 175.

Look at where the large RJ payband stops. Itís not that low for a reason, 175 staffing is less pilots per airplane.

Nemack85
02-01-2020, 02:02 PM
Anyone could post the link where I can find the envoy list of school that are partners for the cadet flight instructor program?

i found it few days ago, it looked like an interactive map but I canít find it anymore

Pedro4President
02-01-2020, 03:43 PM
Considering the staffing requirements for 4 bases and the type of flying the 145 does, the pilot group is easily twice the size of the 175.

Look at where the large RJ payband stops. Itís not that low for a reason, 175 staffing is less pilots per airplane.


yíall both make good points about staffing requirements 145 v 175. I just looked up the vacation blocks for both fleets and itís 17 (145) to 11 (175) for the first week of 2020. The company offered a 60/40 split on vacation which leads me to think there are more 175 pilots than one might expect. I know itís a crude method but Iím lazy and donít care too much about who is right.

NoValueAviator
02-03-2020, 06:30 AM
Of course they need more staffing for the 145s. They do more cycles for the same number of hours, and any time you touch the ground there's a greatly increased chance for issues.

I'd still say that what they do is overkill. People in my class who got 175 Chicago were off reserve the next month after IOE - some of the 145 guys were still on reserve after bidding to Dallas, 16 months later.