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RA550
12-30-2019, 07:16 AM
Hello guys,

Been recently looking at Netjets and Flexjet, just have a couple of quick questions.
If the city you live in is not part of the approved bases, can you list the one thatís closest to you and commute (drive) on your own time for your rotations? Letís say you live 4 hrs away from the nearest base, and you want to drive there for every rotation start and end, would the company allow that?


GeeWizDriver
12-30-2019, 07:25 AM
Hello guys,

Been recently looking at Netjets and Flexjet, just have a couple of quick questions.
If the city you live in is not part of the approved bases, can you list the one that’s closest to you and commute (drive) on your own time for your rotations? Let’s say you live 4 hrs away from the nearest base, and you want to drive there for every rotation start and end, would the company allow that?

With NetJets, as long as you can report to your base at the briefed time, you could drive four hours or even more.

Now, whether you would be rested enough to safely fly a leg or two after airlining somewhere is another question. But, yeah, it's doable.

Can't speak for Flex.

RA550
12-30-2019, 07:52 AM
With NetJets, as long as you can report to your base at the briefed time, you could drive four hours or even more.

Now, whether you would be rested enough to safely fly a leg or two after airlining somewhere is another question. But, yeah, it's doable.

Can't speak for Flex.

Oh ok, thanks for the response! Been trying to get into the fractionals, but the issue I keep getting is that my home airport does not have adequate airline service. So the nearest approved base would be a 4 hr drive, or 1 hr flight, but on my time and dime.


hawkerpilot05
12-30-2019, 08:48 AM
With NetJets, you can live where ever you want as long as you can be at your base at showtime. The brief has to come to you by 6:00 PM local at this latest and I never received a briefing earlier then 6:00 PM. The only stipulation is that we have had some crews fatigue on day 1 and blame their long commute and they were disciplined for it. The CBA states you will be rested for day 1 and the company has interpreted that to mean a lengthy commute is not an acceptable fatigue and if you have to pay for your hotel the night before, then so be it. We have some pilots that live outside the USA at times and commute in for work. Easy to do on the 7/7 schedule which is the default schedule. Also, I believe we can change bases every 7 days so it works great for those that do a lot of RVing.


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wankel7
12-30-2019, 09:12 AM
Oh ok, thanks for the response! Been trying to get into the fractionals, but the issue I keep getting is that my home airport does not have adequate airline service. So the nearest approved base would be a 4 hr drive, or 1 hr flight, but on my time and dime.

There are two basing lists at NetJets.

The first is 100 bases. The second is a list of over 200 bases....which is called the HBA list. Everyone on property at the signing of the 2018 IBI could choose to be on this list.

Why they don't offer the HBA list to new hires as a way to attract talent is beyond me.

One thing that is available to all pilots is the ability to change your base every seven days. However, this is trial period and could expire in May. It would return to a 14 day notice if it did.

GeeWizDriver
12-30-2019, 10:20 AM
There are two basing lists at NetJets.

The first is 100 bases. The second is a list of over 200 bases....which is called the HBA list. Everyone on property at the signing of the 2018 IBI could choose to be on this list.

Why they don't offer the HBA list to new hires as a way to attract talent is beyond me.

One thing that is available to all pilots is the ability to change your base every seven days. However, this is trial period and could expire in May. It would return to a 14 day notice if it did.


After 21 years on property, I still don't understand the difference between an HBA and a Base (Maybe because I'm in a Base with no intention of ever moving so I never cared to learn the difference...) Nor do I understand why both aren't available to all. But then there are waivered HBA's and Non-waivered HBA's and Green Bases and and and....it makes my head hurt.

Long story short for RA550, you'll be able to live "almost" anywhere you want and make it work but there will be some "conditions."

RA550
12-30-2019, 10:36 AM
After 21 years on property, I still don't understand the difference between an HBA and a Base (Maybe because I'm in a Base with no intention of ever moving so I never cared to learn the difference...) Nor do I understand why both aren't available to all. But then there are waivered HBA's and Non-waivered HBA's and Green Bases and and and....it makes my head hurt.

Long story short for RA550, you'll be able to live "almost" anywhere you want and make it work but there will be some "conditions."

Excellent info guys! I really appreciate that!! And do you by chance, have the domicile lists available?
Just wondering if it would be similar to other fractionals, or maybe they do list my airport there. Just curious.

AirBear
12-30-2019, 10:45 AM
Attached is the HBA list, which does change as airline service changes. I'll attach the crew base list in a separate reply since I'm limited to one attachment per post. This is what applies to new hires, at least until the next contract. I strongly suspect newer pilots will be brought under the HBA list eventually.

AirBear
12-30-2019, 10:45 AM
Crew bases attached.

RA550
12-30-2019, 11:02 AM
Attached is the HBA list, which does change as airline service changes. I'll attach the crew base list in a separate reply since I'm limited to one attachment per post. This is what applies to new hires, at least until the next contract. I strongly suspect newer pilots will be brought under the HBA list eventually.

Thanks AirBear!
So I just saw that my home airport is on the HBA list!! So what does that mean? Or whatís the difference from a normal Base?

illinipilot
12-30-2019, 12:16 PM
Thanks AirBear!
So I just saw that my home airport is on the HBA list!! So what does that mean? Or whatís the difference from a normal Base?

A new hire will be limited to the "crew bases." Every contract negated since the 2007 IBB allows for pilots on property to switch to the HBA list if so desired. But if I were a new hire I would only count on access to the crew base list. I had an airline commute for several years. It wasn't super stressful but the lost time really sucked. Happy to be living in the States again.

Flyfalcons
12-30-2019, 04:07 PM
Thanks AirBear!
So I just saw that my home airport is on the HBA list!! So what does that mean? Or whatís the difference from a normal Base?

You will be in a Crew Base of your choice for now. Grandfathering a group of junior crewmembers into the HBA list has happened twice now, and there is a definite possibility you may see those rights in the future. I just couldn't tell you when.

AirBear
12-30-2019, 06:39 PM
Thanks AirBear!
So I just saw that my home airport is on the HBA list!! So what does that mean? Or whatís the difference from a normal Base?

Others have explained it already. You'll probably get HBA access at some point but no telling how long that could be. Look at the crew base list and see how far a commute it would be and decide if you can live with that until HBA is offered.

GeeWizDriver
12-30-2019, 07:01 PM
Others have explained it already. You'll probably get HBA access at some point but no telling how long that could be. Look at the crew base list and see how far a commute it would be and decide if you can live with that until HBA is offered.

Um, where? In the contract? I sure as hell don't understand it. I don't speak lawyer.

Our basing system is a complete, utter, lawyer-wet-dream goat rope.

ExtendedDays
12-30-2019, 07:55 PM
The basing system is way more complicated than it should be.

hawkerpilot05
12-31-2019, 06:29 AM
Um, where? In the contract? I sure as hell don't understand it. I don't speak lawyer.



Our basing system is a complete, utter, lawyer-wet-dream goat rope.The basing system is set up so that when a new CBA is put out for a vote, they use the HBA system as a carrot for more yes votes. The reality is the company doesn't like the HBA system as they are less productive then the crew base system. However, as the availability of pilots is shrinking, they are slowly being forced to give it to everyone.

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ExtendedDays
12-31-2019, 08:47 AM
The basing system is set up so that when a new CBA is put out for a vote, they use the HBA system as a carrot for more yes votes. The reality is the company doesn't like the HBA system as they are less productive then the crew base system. However, as the availability of pilots is shrinking, they are slowly being forced to give it to everyone.

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I know several who voted in the IBI solely because of the HBA.