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Excargodog
12-31-2019, 10:49 AM
A 2% planned annual growth, a fairly modest fleet plan (except for Horizon 170s), not a lot of retirements, and no scope makes me think Alaska upgrades might be sort of slow compared to other airlines.


NewGuy01
12-31-2019, 11:05 AM
A 2% planned annual growth, a fairly modest fleet plan (except for Horizon 170s), not a lot of retirements, and no scope makes me think Alaska upgrades might be sort of slow compared to other airlines.



Everyone is going to tell you itís under 5. For LAX. Thereís no way to project it for the future. Itís remarkably low at the moment due to past hiring practices but it will increase drastically as AG sells off Airbus product and like you says adds more regional aircraft.

There is talk of a fleet plan and new mainline aircraft but I donít believe any of it. Not until Iím sitting in the seat and the check clears.


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Flyboy8784
12-31-2019, 11:09 AM
nobody comes to Alaska because of the growth plan....thats for sure. Especially given the fact that most of the attrition is coming from Jr FOs going to the big 3. We're pretty much an 87 year old type rating factory at the moment.


ShyGuy
12-31-2019, 11:30 AM
nobody comes to Alaska because of the growth plan....thats for sure. Especially given the fact that most of the attrition is coming from Jr FOs going to the big 3. We're pretty much an 87 year old type rating factory at the moment.

I keep hearing this. The attrition list to be published in Feb will show the real story. A majority of the FO attrition in the Aug list were guys with retirements in 2050-2058! Of course guys in their 20s will leave for the big 3. Thatís a no brainer. Theyíll make up the < 3 yr longevity loss at AS with the fact they have 35+ yrs at one of the big 3.

Mea25000
12-31-2019, 11:41 AM
Swag:

Those recently hired and new hires:

8 year SEA
10 year PDX
11 year ANC
6 year SFO
6 year LAX

Mea25000
12-31-2019, 11:51 AM
Attrition is a yawn! Give me a break... the same loud mantra and management laughs in our face.

NewGuy01
12-31-2019, 11:56 AM
Attrition is a yawn! Give me a break... the same loud mantra and management laughs in our face.



Itís about as exciting as our retirement numbers


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Thrill
12-31-2019, 11:57 AM
I wasnít asking if management was concerned. Iím sure theyíve budgeted for a certain loss amount. I was asking if the numbers youíre throwing out included attrition or not.




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TurbineDriver
01-02-2020, 06:59 AM
Swag:

Those recently hired and new hires:

8 year SEA
10 year PDX
11 year ANC
6 year SFO
6 year LAX
What are these numbers? Are these upgrade times per base?

Mudhen200
01-02-2020, 07:43 AM
Jan 2020 Base Position Lists.
DOH for junior Captain. (month / year)

ANC = 08/2014
SEA = 05/2014
PDX = 12/2012
SFO = 07/2013
LAX (737) = 01/2015
LAX (Bus) 05/2012

450knotOffice
01-02-2020, 07:43 AM
What are these numbers? Are these upgrade times per base?

This is his swag on how long it may take a new hire or a person recently hired to upgrade into those bases.

cmrflyer
01-02-2020, 11:59 AM
Hahahahha how long until theyíre back in the right seat should be the question.
And how is the quality of life for the guys looking at five to ten years of reserve?