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GucciBoy
01-27-2020, 08:02 AM
Just creating a space for whatshisname to post that the results are out...


m3113n1a1
01-27-2020, 08:15 AM
Paging Peoloto!!

clear4approach
01-27-2020, 08:35 AM
The bid results are OUT(side of our control)


Jaxs170
01-27-2020, 09:38 AM
Lots of five digit seniority captains coming to NYC

Gunfighter
01-27-2020, 09:44 AM
Paging Peoloto!!
He's waiting til at lease Wed at lunch. Even the noobs will know results on Mon or Tues are fake news.

duder
01-27-2020, 05:44 PM
Lots of five digit seniority captains coming to NYC

And LAX. Take a look at those bid packets. Yikes.

clear4approach
01-28-2020, 06:43 AM
The bid results are OUT(rageously speculative at this point)

Abouttime2fish
01-28-2020, 06:57 AM
The bid results are OUT(rageously speculative at this point)

good one!

filler

Jiggawatt
01-28-2020, 08:08 AM
BS replied to a question on Skyhub and said results could be out today or more likely tomorrow. I think his communication efforts are great and most of what heís said has been accurate, but one thing often inaccurately projected is AE result release (I assume because the review/approval process gets slowed along the way). So Iím still guessing Thursday or Friday.

forgot to bid
01-28-2020, 08:47 AM
Processing the bid:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/FoolishHollowHydra-size_restricted.gif

igotgummed
01-28-2020, 09:30 AM
I know firsthand they got a new computer to process it. It was my old computer on eBay (http://i.viglink.com/?key=481c1e0bb7406ee862f1f8858ec6342e&insertId=f0db5d48ce1ef948&type=L&exp=-1%3Ana%3A0&libId=k5y7t2pi0100a0tt000MA7jxtwi0d&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26t%3D126997&v=1&iid=f0db5d48ce1ef948&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fdel ta%2F126997-january-ae-results.html&title=Reply%20to%20Topic%20-%20Airline%20Pilot%20Central%20Forums&txt=%3Cspan%3Eebay%3C%2Fspan%3E). It was a sweet Dell that was virused up. Only took like :15 to boot up. Not too shabby. It had been in my closet for like 15yrs. They paid top dollar.

bohicagain
01-28-2020, 10:13 AM
I know firsthand they got a new computer to process it. It was my old computer on eBay (http://i.viglink.com/?key=481c1e0bb7406ee862f1f8858ec6342e&insertId=f0db5d48ce1ef948&type=L&exp=-1%3Ana%3A0&libId=k5y7t2pi0100a0tt000MA7jxtwi0d&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26t%3D126997&v=1&iid=f0db5d48ce1ef948&opt=true&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fdel ta%2F126997-january-ae-results.html&title=Reply%20to%20Topic%20-%20Airline%20Pilot%20Central%20Forums&txt=%3Cspan%3Eebay%3C%2Fspan%3E). It was a sweet Dell that was virused up. Only took like :15 to boot up. Not too shabby. It had been in my closet for like 15yrs. They paid top dollar.

you found the electric plug to it.... that's impressive.
I tried to sell my gateway computer but it that would be a step back.

Abouttime2fish
01-28-2020, 01:31 PM
Guess not today.

ive always wondered, ok only while waiting for results to come out, why it takes so long. Seems the computer crunching part should take a couple minutes tops. Then everyone signs off on it. Bid closes at noon, results by 1800.

obviously Iíve way oversimplified the process, anyone want to shed light on what actually goes on?

RAH RAH REE
01-28-2020, 01:38 PM
Guess not today.

ive always wondered, ok only while waiting for results to come out, why it takes so long. Seems the computer crunching part should take a couple minutes tops. Then everyone signs off on it. Bid closes at noon, results by 1800.

obviously Iíve way oversimplified the process, anyone want to shed light on what actually goes on?

They probably re-run it a ton of times, changing things like the number of bypasses, backfills, etc. They have so much wiggle room via the contract on what they can mess with they take their time to save some $$$$.

Abouttime2fish
01-28-2020, 01:43 PM
Still, seems like you feed it training limitations, minimum bypasses, hit go.

Scooter432
01-28-2020, 02:00 PM
Heard from a bud on the floor that Bob said results will be out tomorrow and there are lots of bypasses.

crewdawg
01-28-2020, 02:02 PM
Still, seems like you feed it training limitations, minimum bypasses, hit go.

Probably have to get approvals up the chain on the training bill. Pour yourselves another one, they'll be out soon enough.

Abouttime2fish
01-28-2020, 02:14 PM
Probably have to get approvals up the chain on the training bill. Pour yourselves another one, they'll be out soon enough.

wish I could! Stuck at soccer field for 2 practices and itís too cold for this guy to go out there and watch! But beer 30 is coming soon enough....

CBreezy
01-28-2020, 02:16 PM
wish I could! Stuck at soccer field for 2 practices and itís too cold for this guy to go out there and watch! But beer 30 is coming soon enough....

I don't understand why that prevents you from having a spirited drink

crewdawg
01-28-2020, 02:18 PM
I don't understand why that prevents you from having a spirited drink

This guy has a point...

Abouttime2fish
01-28-2020, 02:23 PM
Poor plannng??

that must constitute an emergency!!!

NavyFlyer
01-28-2020, 02:32 PM
wish I could! Stuck at soccer field for 2 practices and itís too cold for this guy to go out there and watch! But beer 30 is coming soon enough....



I always bring my Chinese Yeti to soccer practice. It holds a 16 oz Hazy IPA real nice. And it makes practices bearable. Lol


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RAH RAH REE
01-28-2020, 03:28 PM
I always bring my Chinese Yeti to soccer practice. It holds a 16 oz Hazy IPA real nice. And it makes practices bearable. Lol


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Because anything is better than drinking an IPA? Sours FTW!

TANSTAAFL
01-28-2020, 03:39 PM
Because anything is better than drinking an IPA? Sours FTW!

Not an IPA guy, but this is by favorite:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/29/d2/67/29d267bb613904f0996fbc08028cf517.jpg

They cleaned it up, used to say an IBU as bitter as she is :cool:

Schwanker
01-28-2020, 03:40 PM
wish I could! Stuck at soccer field for 2 practices and itís too cold for this guy to go out there and watch! But beer 30 is coming soon enough....

Too bad. Definitely not ice fishing material.

crewdawg
01-28-2020, 04:01 PM
Poor plannng??

Lack of alcohol or the kids? :D

clear4approach
01-28-2020, 04:02 PM
The bid results are OUT (of the question for tonight)

Scooter432
01-28-2020, 06:33 PM
AE supposedly comes out tomorrow.. around 150 bypasses is the rumor. MSP 717 pretty junior due to folks with qualifiers. Will be interesting to see the full results.

It was planned for today release but needed another look at the bypasses. New AE tool can do the run in :10 running concurrently with the old system right now until the summer.

Big E 757
01-28-2020, 07:24 PM
I always bring my Chinese Yeti to soccer practice. It holds a 16 oz Hazy IPA real nice. And it makes practices bearable. Lol


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Thank God Iím not the only one. I was starting to think I had a problem. :)

clear4approach
01-29-2020, 06:14 AM
The bid results are OUT(side of the scope of a discussion of the Super Bowl)

swamp
01-29-2020, 06:20 AM
Thank God Iím not the only one. I was starting to think I had a problem. :)
Hahaha... I thought the same thing when I read the original comment. cheers

Ed Harley
01-29-2020, 08:22 AM
Sky hub now saying that it will take a few more days to finalize this AE.

TED74
01-29-2020, 08:40 AM
Sky hub now saying that it will take a few more days to finalize this AE.

Perhaps a bunch of older NB captains flying green all summer are going to generate a pretty massive bypass bill?

Curious if Coronavirus is having network tweak the summer plan...

tunes
01-29-2020, 08:42 AM
Sky hub now saying that it will take a few more days to finalize this AE.
it's amazing they still haven't heard of the concept of under promising and over delivering...

m3113n1a1
01-29-2020, 08:48 AM
it's amazing they still haven't heard of the concept of under promising and over delivering...

Yep. They tease us every. single. time. And we fall for it over and over. Just a constant cycle of disappointment. Oh well, keeps things interesting I suppose.

LeineLodge
01-29-2020, 09:21 AM
it's amazing they still haven't heard of the concept of under promising and over delivering...

^^^^^^^This

MoonShot
01-29-2020, 09:28 AM
Street captains coming to the 88. CR scrambling. Insufficient bidders for the momentary A spots needed for the summer after a massive captain bid off. You heard it here first 😂

Redbird611
01-29-2020, 09:40 AM
Street captains coming to the 88. CR scrambling. Insufficient bidders for the momentary A spots needed for the summer after a massive captain bid off. You heard it here first [emoji23]


That seems highly plausible.

Abouttime2fish
01-29-2020, 09:52 AM
Street captains coming to the 88. CR scrambling. Insufficient bidders for the momentary A spots needed for the summer after a massive captain bid off. You heard it here first 😂

put me on that list, though I doubt I got what I asked for.

sailingfun
01-29-2020, 10:44 AM
Yep. They tease us every. single. time. And we fall for it over and over. Just a constant cycle of disappointment. Oh well, keeps things interesting I suppose.

Is your life going to suffer that much waiting a day or two?

Jaww
01-29-2020, 10:54 AM
Is your life going to suffer that much waiting a day or two?

Says they guy with no bid in most likely.

but to answer your question, a definitive no. Just let us have our anger. We are catharting it here.

duder
01-29-2020, 11:35 AM
I have a feeling they are are trying to make a decision too about what Delta is going to do with regard to China flying. Bad time to have a travel ban come out during an AE. Always possible they won't fill any/some of the 350 positions which have big ramifications throughout the AE.

Trip7
01-29-2020, 11:37 AM
Is your life going to suffer that much waiting a day or two?I would say yes because mentally folks are anxious about what their future bid holds. The wait certainly adds unwanted anxiety to some folks lives.

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bohicagain
01-29-2020, 11:41 AM
I have a feeling they are are trying to make a decision too about what Delta is going to do with regard to China flying. Bad time to have a travel ban come out during an AE. Always possible they won't fill any/some of the 350 positions which have big ramifications throughout the AE.

That would be short sighted. With 350 retirements and more ships coming it's easier to train and fly to other destinations then to delay training and then play catch up more than we are doing already.

Quick check of loads show 50% full to China. About 85% returning.

RockyBoy
01-29-2020, 12:19 PM
That would be short sighted. With 350 retirements and more ships coming it's easier to train and fly to other destinations then to delay training and then play catch up more than we are doing already.

Quick check of loads show 50% full to China. About 85% returning.

Not really. If I were them I would fill up the 330/350 slots for the next month then put out a bid in a month once they figure it out and see if we get a travel ban in China.

I donít think Delta will park jets to China unless we are forced to. We donít have as big of an exposure as United and AMR have in that market thanks to JVís.

iaflyer
01-29-2020, 01:03 PM
I don’t think Delta will park jets to China unless we are forced to. We don’t have as big of an exposure as United and AMR have in that market thanks to JV’s.Well don't look at DeltaNet then...

Delta to temporarily reduce U.S.-China flying, continues to offer fee waiver for customers
https://news.delta.com/delta-temporarily-reduce-us-china-flying-continues-offer-fee-waiver-customers

captainchipotle
01-29-2020, 02:32 PM
Street captains coming to the 88. CR scrambling. Insufficient bidders for the momentary A spots needed for the summer after a massive captain bid off. You heard it here first 😂

insufficient bidders because those schedules are awful. Itís be nice to see the company try to address THAT issue. I hope they are sweating. Thereís a GOOD REASON why nobody wants lax320A.

Humbleavi8t0r
01-29-2020, 02:39 PM
With the uncertainty of the virus impacting the transportation sector from a few weeks to possibly months, I don't think Delta will cancel the 350 vacancies. Would be smart to continue with the plan AE as published. Going into the busy Spring /summer season, management might be sucessful redeploying to other markets. Once the virus is contained, we will be ready as planned. Wouldnt be surprised seeing a 350 operate a transcon. Or perhaps ATL - BOG.

Gspeed
01-29-2020, 02:53 PM
Yep. They tease us every. single. time. And we fall for it over and over. Just a constant cycle of disappointment. Oh well, keeps things interesting I suppose.

One of these days Lucy wonít see it coming and Iím gonna kick that darn football! Youíll see.

Big E 757
01-29-2020, 02:55 PM
One of these days Lucy wonít see it coming and Iím gonna kick that darn football! Youíll see.

So is the new word Friday, for sure, or did they just say they needed another day or two?

Gspeed
01-29-2020, 02:56 PM
So is the new word Friday, for sure, or did they just say they needed another day or two?

Free beer tomorrow is what I heard. Iíll be there with bells on.

tunes
01-29-2020, 03:40 PM
i don't get why so many people think the China thing has any bearing whatsoever on these AE results.

TED74
01-29-2020, 03:50 PM
i don't get why so many people think the China thing has any bearing whatsoever on these AE results.

Because Crew Resources is a slave to the fickle machinations of Network?

Big E 757
01-29-2020, 04:10 PM
Because Crew Resources is a slave to the fickle machinations of Network?

Truth.......

cni187
01-29-2020, 04:15 PM
Because Crew Resources is a slave to the fickle machinations of Network?

Crew Resources is a slave to the bean counters. Thatís whatís taking so long, bypasses cost money.

Bergman
01-29-2020, 04:16 PM
So is the new word Friday, for sure, or did they just say they needed another day or two?

BS posted On SkyNet an hour ago that they are running the last batch now, with results likely tomorrow morning.

tunes
01-29-2020, 04:18 PM
BS posted On SkyNet an hour ago that they are running the last batch now, with results likely tomorrow morning.
here we go again.....something will come up tomorrow too me thinks.

Jaww
01-29-2020, 04:25 PM
BS posted On SkyNet an hour ago that they are running the last batch now, with results likely tomorrow morning.

Where is that post or comment? Canít find it.

Big E 757
01-29-2020, 04:26 PM
BS posted On SkyNet an hour ago that they are running the last batch now, with results likely tomorrow morning.

Thanks! ...

clear4approach
01-29-2020, 04:33 PM
The bid results are OUT(er space's least commonly found space junk)

Bergman
01-29-2020, 05:54 PM
Where is that post or comment? Canít find it.
Look under Flight Operation News, posted by Christopher T. On Jan 10th. Itís a reply to a comment by Steven C.

Jaww
01-29-2020, 06:28 PM
Look under Flight Operation News, posted by Christopher T. On Jan 10th. Itís a reply to a comment by Steven C.

Actually talked to Steve C and he steered me to it oddly enough. Thanks!

sailingfun
01-29-2020, 08:34 PM
With the uncertainty of the virus impacting the transportation sector from a few weeks to possibly months, I don't think Delta will cancel the 350 vacancies. Would be smart to continue with the plan AE as published. Going into the busy Spring /summer season, management might be sucessful redeploying to other markets. Once the virus is contained, we will be ready as planned. Wouldnt be surprised seeing a 350 operate a transcon. Or perhaps ATL - BOG.

Its going to be difficult to redeploy those aircraft without any advance ticket sales.

tunes
01-30-2020, 06:01 AM
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Chakerik
01-30-2020, 06:02 AM
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Every single time :D

igotgummed
01-30-2020, 06:12 AM
ďOh we had them done today but Deltanet was down, maybe tmrwĒ

Bucking Bar
01-30-2020, 06:12 AM
Its going to be difficult to redeploy those aircraft without any advance ticket sales.

KLM, Korean and Virgin do not seem to have that problem. They just deploy their fleet to Delta's hubs and focus cities. I bet we could do that Austin to Amsterdam. Bet we could do LAX-ICN. Why don't we ask their network and revenue team to develop a plan?

Oh, it is the same people? How convenient. Excellent, they can resolve a few scope grievances while they are at it.

bugman61
01-30-2020, 07:03 AM
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They seem to like memes in the comments on sky hub while we wait for results. Go post this one. :)

Jaww
01-30-2020, 07:06 AM
They seem to like memes in the comments on sky hub while we wait for results. Go post this one. :)

Triple dog dare you.

Abouttime2fish
01-30-2020, 07:10 AM
Triple dog dare you.

you have to do it now!

Scoop
01-30-2020, 07:12 AM
The results will never be released if Paeloto does not come on here and prematurely say "Bid results are out." Maybe he was doing us a favor all along. That guy is like the Punxsutawney Phil of AE's. :) :)

Scoop

180ToAJ
01-30-2020, 07:16 AM
The results will never be released if Paeloto does not come on here and prematurely say "Bid results are out." Maybe he was doing us a favor all along. That guy is like the Punxsutawney Phil of AE's. :) :)

Scoop

I was wondering where he has been. He gets a lot of crap, but itís just not the same without him.

MSP7ERB
01-30-2020, 07:29 AM
A friend was able to see his award in iCrew. Not sure how. I didn't bid anything so wasn't able to experiment.

crazyjaydawg
01-30-2020, 07:40 AM
I was wondering where he has been. He gets a lot of crap, but itís just not the same without him.



Rumor has it that Peloto is BS and he just has way too much fun with this. Heís stopped doing it now though because the staffing situation is actually getting serious.

Abouttime2fish
01-30-2020, 08:00 AM
A friend was able to see his award in iCrew. Not sure how. I didn't bid anything so wasn't able to experiment.

in your VTS file page it shows current and future category. Thatís my guess anyway. Iíve got a bid in but not sure I can get it, so the fact I show no future category is inconclusive....

cni187
01-30-2020, 08:22 AM
A friend was able to see his award in iCrew. Not sure how. I didn't bid anything so wasn't able to experiment.

Bids are still locked. Your friend was wrong.

bohicagain
01-30-2020, 08:31 AM
Bids are still locked. Your friend was wrong.

Dammit. thought I was safe from my mistake.

Big E 757
01-30-2020, 08:43 AM
Dammit. thought I was safe from my mistake.


What was your mistake? NYC 7ER A?

bohicagain
01-30-2020, 08:57 AM
What was your mistake? NYC 7ER A?


Si...........

20Fathoms
01-30-2020, 09:11 AM
Si...........

Congrats and condolences if you get it!:D

casual observer
01-30-2020, 09:18 AM
THE AE RESULTS ARE OUT and out the most frustrating thing to wait for. Am I right?

sailingfun
01-30-2020, 09:22 AM
[QUOTE=Bucking Bar;2967283]KLM, Korean and Virgin do not seem to have that problem. They just deploy their fleet to Delta's hubs and focus cities. I bet we could do that Austin to Amsterdam. Bet we could do LAX-ICN. Why don't we ask their network and revenue team to develop a plan?

I doubt you see any of those airlines redeploy widebody capacity with a few weeks notice. You normally want to start taking bookings on a new flight 300 days out. Thatís so you have revenue in the cabin to pay for the flight. Once you decide on a new route you need a route authority to operate that route. If you have both of those you need gate capacity at both ends. You also need to establish there is real demand for the route and that it wonít simply cannibalize revenue off other routes. Pilots believe they have all the answers on routes and revenue but history shows we suck at it.

bohicagain
01-30-2020, 10:24 AM
Congrats and condolences if you get it!:D


One of my buddies joking around congratulated me on NYC 7ER A.... gave me a mini heart attack...

m3113n1a1
01-30-2020, 10:32 AM
One of my buddies joking around congratulated me on NYC 7ER A.... gave me a mini heart attack...

Deep down you know you want it ;)

Abouttime2fish
01-30-2020, 11:02 AM
OUT with them already!

Scoop
01-30-2020, 11:07 AM
[QUOTE=Bucking Bar;2967283]KLM, Korean and Virgin do not seem to have that problem. They just deploy their fleet to Delta's hubs and focus cities. I bet we could do that Austin to Amsterdam. Bet we could do LAX-ICN. Why don't we ask their network and revenue team to develop a plan?

I doubt you see any of those airlines redeploy widebody capacity with a few weeks notice. You normally want to start taking bookings on a new flight 300 days out. Thatís so you have revenue in the cabin to pay for the flight. Once you decide on a new route you need a route authority to operate that route. If you have both of those you need gate capacity at both ends. You also need to establish there is real demand for the route and that it wonít simply cannibalize revenue off other routes. Pilots believe they have all the answers on routes and revenue but history shows we suck at it.

So did most airline managements for 60 out of the last 70 years. :)

Scoop

Bucking Bar
01-30-2020, 11:13 AM
KLM, Korean and Virgin do not seem to have that problem. They just deploy their fleet to Delta's hubs and focus cities. I bet we could do that Austin to Amsterdam. Bet we could do LAX-ICN. Why don't we ask their network and revenue team to develop a plan?
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I doubt you see any of those airlines redeploy widebody capacity with a few weeks notice. You normally want to start taking bookings on a new flight 300 days out. Thatís so you have revenue in the cabin to pay for the flight. Once you decide on a new route you need a route authority to operate that route. If you have both of those you need gate capacity at both ends. You also need to establish there is real demand for the route and that it wonít simply cannibalize revenue off other routes. Pilots believe they have all the answers on routes and revenue but history shows we suck at it.

Passengers actually prefer Delta to the same service offered by KLM, Air France and AeroMexico. I hustle to maintain passenger preference for our product.

The routes I mentioned are all NEW SERVICE being launched by our ̶s̶̶u̶̶b̶̶s̶̶i̶̶d̶̶i̶̶a̶̶r̶̶i̶̶e̶̶s̶ , ̶o̶̶f̶̶f̶̶s̶̶h̶̶o̶̶r̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶t̶̶a̶̶x̶̶ ̶̶a̶̶v̶̶o̶̶i̶̶d̶̶a̶̶n̶̶c̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶s̶̶c̶̶h̶̶e̶̶m̶̶e̶̶ ̶̶c̶̶a̶̶r̶̶r̶̶i̶̶e̶̶r̶̶s̶, ahem, "partners" in 2020.

When Delta management controls the networks it is just as reasonable to park our jets in Virgin colors as it is to park our jets in Delta colors. Of course, it is perceived to be cheaper to park the pilots who augment crews.

We are in Section 6 and the company is violating scope. The company is engaged in "self help." The fact the company has repeated scope violations reduces confidence that the grievance process is an effective deterrent to bad behavior. It is perceived that more force is required to gain compliance with our agreement.

It is time to lobby against the abuse of the RLA process.

Waggy122
01-30-2020, 12:09 PM
I have a feeling they are are trying to make a decision too about what Delta is going to do with regard to China flying. Bad time to have a travel ban come out during an AE. Always possible they won't fill any/some of the 350 positions which have big ramifications throughout the AE.

The AE results are OUT(break) dependent you think?

m3113n1a1
01-30-2020, 12:10 PM
My money is on Peoloto actually breaking the news here when the AE is truly out this time.

gliderguider
01-30-2020, 12:15 PM
The AE results are OUT(break) dependent you think?

I thought Delta doesnít have enough widebodies? No we canít find enough places to fly the ones we do have?

phoenixc130
01-30-2020, 12:18 PM
The March conversions are not even out. Everyone in CR is watching the paint dry and grass grow!

bohicagain
01-30-2020, 12:31 PM
Guess that skyhub rumor from Brian that it would be out today was fake news.

hockeypilot44
01-30-2020, 12:36 PM
Not sure why they take so long. If they get it wrong, they can just run another AE. If a category gets short, we have no shortage of pilots who would fly 30 days a month if they could. I'm flying with someone right now who bids as low block time as possible with 30 hour layovers so he can 150 hours per month without any FAR violations.

duder
01-30-2020, 12:42 PM
Not sure why they take so long. If they get it wrong, they can just run another AE. If a category gets short, we have no shortage of pilots who would fly 30 days a month if they could. I'm flying with someone right now who bids as low block time as possible with 30 hour layovers so he can 150 hours per month without any FAR violations.

Wow. It's actually sad that there are people that unhappy at home that they always want to be working.

Looks like another day has come and gone with no AE results.

My bet was always Friday from the start anyways.

bohicagain
01-30-2020, 12:43 PM
Not sure why they take so long. If they get it wrong, they can just run another AE. If a category gets short, we have no shortage of pilots who would fly 30 days a month if they could. I'm flying with someone right now who bids as low block time as possible with 30 hour layovers so he can 150 hours per month without any FAR violations.

:eek: must be one hell of an alimony check he must write monthly.

hockeypilot44
01-30-2020, 12:54 PM
Peachtree City is so great that the pilots that live there sit by their phones all day on their days off waiting for a trip so they can leave....as a lineholder.

Trip7
01-30-2020, 12:57 PM
Wow. It's actually sad that there are people that unhappy at home that they always want to be working.



Looks like another day has come and gone with no AE results.



My bet was always Friday from the start anyways.That's one way to look at it. Personally I see someone who is working smarter, not harder and not completely exhausted when they get home

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bohicagain
01-30-2020, 01:09 PM
That's one way to look at it. Personally I see someone who is working smarter, not harder and not completely exhausted when they get home

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WHAT?!?! Bidding 30 hour overnights to be able to stay legal is working smarter not harder?

Working 150 straight hours with 4 or 5 30 overnights is definately working harder for pay.

Sputnik
01-30-2020, 01:17 PM
Why y'all so worried about how other pilots chose to work?

Trip7
01-30-2020, 01:22 PM
WHAT?!?! Bidding 30 hour overnights to be able to stay legal is working smarter not harder?



Working 150 straight hours with 4 or 5 30 overnights is definately working harder for pay.If you're flying 30 hours of block a month IMO that's not working hard. I also don't find being on a 30 hr layover 4 or 5 times a month working hard, especially if it's a nice city. But that's just me. I understand some put incredible value in being home, especially with kids. That's the beauty of Delta, there's something for everyone.

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Baradium
01-30-2020, 01:30 PM
If you're flying 30 hours of block a month IMO that's not working hard. I also don't find being on a 30 hr layover 4 or 5 times a month working hard, especially if it's a nice city. But that's just me. I understand some put incredible value in being home, especially with kids. That's the beauty of Delta, there's something for everyone.

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Show me someone who is crediting 150 hours on 30 hours of block a month. I'm having trouble with that math.

sailingfun
01-30-2020, 01:31 PM
Why y'all so worried about how other pilots chose to work?

I wondered the same thing!

bugman61
01-30-2020, 01:31 PM
Why y'all so worried about how other pilots chose to work?



1000x this. Bid what you want and work how you want. You donít have to justify your decision to be A/B/international/domestic to anyone. Everyone wants different things. What seems crazy to you might be the best thing for someone else.

Express pilot
01-30-2020, 01:37 PM
We need to get rid of Out of base White Slips. Pilot lives in a base and can hold Captain on the same plane but holds Captain in NYC. Then pilot drops his NYC trips and OB whites slips trips in the base he lives in. Prevents GS to the category pilot lives in. Pilot is not popular in that base. Iím not even on this plane. Just hear about it from pilots in this base. Itís per the contract that needs changed.

RockyBoy
01-30-2020, 01:41 PM
We need to get rid of Out of base White Slips. Pilot lives in a base and can hold Captain on the same plane but holds Captain in NYC. Then pilot drops his NYC trips and OB whites slips trips in the base he lives in. Prevents GS to the category pilot lives in. Pilot is not popular in that base. Iím not even on this plane. Just hear about it from pilots in this base. Itís per the contract that needs changed.

People been doing it for years.

Jaww
01-30-2020, 01:41 PM
We need to get rid of Out of base White Slips. Pilot lives in a base and can hold Captain on the same plane but holds Captain in NYC. Then pilot drops his NYC trips and OB whites slips trips in the base he lives in. Prevents GS to the category pilot lives in. Pilot is not popular in that base. Iím not even on this plane. Just hear about it from pilots in this base. Itís per the contract that needs changed.

How dare he fly the contract! Burn him!

Trip7
01-30-2020, 01:48 PM
Show me someone who is crediting 150 hours on 30 hours of block a month. I'm having trouble with that math.Ask around. Especially if they fly the 717

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GogglesPisano
01-30-2020, 01:49 PM
How dare he fly the contract! Burn him!

I think his point is: Let's change the contract.

Express pilot
01-30-2020, 01:49 PM
How dare he fly the contract! Burn him!

Just saying pilots in this base talk about it.

buckleyboy
01-30-2020, 01:50 PM
How dare he fly the contract! Burn him!
Would be nice if the company flew the contract all the time.

Crown
01-30-2020, 01:53 PM
https://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n8/bgeist111/42ba3cb969becdfe53c8bbf233450c88-seinfeld-meme-jerry-seinfeld_zpsocnwelvo_1.jpg (https://s108.photobucket.com/user/bgeist111/media/42ba3cb969becdfe53c8bbf233450c88-seinfeld-meme-jerry-seinfeld_zpsocnwelvo_1.jpg.html)

Abouttime2fish
01-30-2020, 01:58 PM
I think his point is: Let's change the contract.

youíre talking a change that changes pilot bidding behavior. Like holiday pay. But Iím not sure what you could change to influence this as it limits the companies ability to cover trips. Realistically I think the best you could do is change the coverage ladder to put oobws after in base gs. And I say that without going into the PWA and actually looking at the sequence.

avi8tor220
01-30-2020, 02:12 PM
Someone from the union posted on a Facebook post that they havenít seen the AE results or have heard anything from the company today. So it looks like nothing today. Something tells me they are re-working the bid because of the Coronavirus. Get the feeling this bid is going to be underwhelming once again.

crewdawg
01-30-2020, 02:19 PM
We need to get rid of Out of base White Slips. Pilot lives in a base and can hold Captain on the same plane but holds Captain in NYC. Then pilot drops his NYC trips and OB whites slips trips in the base he lives in. Prevents GS to the category pilot lives in. Pilot is not popular in that base. Iím not even on this plane. Just hear about it from pilots in this base. Itís per the contract that needs changed.

Ya, lots of haters out there. I don't disagree and I'd love to see OOBWS moved below in base GS, but it what it is. It's amazing to see so many in base guys get spun up over this though.

tunes
01-30-2020, 02:20 PM
Peachtree City is so great that the pilots that live there sit by their phones all day on their days off waiting for a trip so they can leave....as a lineholder.
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they sit in the parking lot or lounge to do that.

tunes
01-30-2020, 02:24 PM
Someone from the union posted on a Facebook post that they havenít seen the AE results or have heard anything from the company today. So it looks like nothing today. Something tells me they are re-working the bid because of the Coronavirus. Get the feeling this bid is going to be underwhelming once again.
i'm gonna say it has absolutely nothing to do with that.

weekendflyer
01-30-2020, 02:27 PM
i'm gonna say it has absolutely nothing to do with that.

I agree....I will say delta is good at shuffling airplanes on different routes when they need to.

fishforfun
01-30-2020, 02:27 PM
i'm gonna say it has absolutely nothing to do with that.

I agree. Itís clearly because itís a leap year.

crazyjaydawg
01-30-2020, 02:28 PM
I agree. Itís clearly because itís a leap year.



Yes and it just ďleapedĒ out and surprised them this year. They never even saw it coming.

forgot to bid
01-30-2020, 02:36 PM
Peachtree City is so great that the pilots that live there sit by their phones all day on their days off waiting for a trip so they can leave....as a lineholder.


:D

Peachtree city is good. for georgia. Which... doesnt say much.

MSP7ERB
01-30-2020, 02:55 PM
in your VTS file page it shows current and future category. Thatís my guess anyway. Iíve got a bid in but not sure I can get it, so the fact I show no future category is inconclusive....

Yup, that's where he saw it.

Han Solo
01-30-2020, 02:59 PM
Ya, lots of haters out there. I don't disagree and I'd love to see OOBWS moved below in base GS, but it what it is. It's amazing to see so many in base guys get spun up over this though.
People don't like it because it's dirty. People scream about vacation sell back but for some reason this maneuver which aids the company's manning problem gets a pass. Even though I prefer RES and OOBWS helps me more often than hurts, I very much would like to see an elimination of OOBWS all together. Barring that, move it to the bottom of the ladder.

crewdawg
01-30-2020, 03:08 PM
People don't like it because it's dirty. People scream about vacation sell back but for some reason this maneuver which aids the company's manning problem gets a pass. Even though I prefer RES and OOBWS helps me more often than hurts, I very much would like to see an elimination of OOBWS all together. Barring that, move it to the bottom of the ladder.

It's no more dirty than anything else in the contract. On the flip side, it may increase the QOL of someone who is to junior to hold a base but may live there and/or a junior reserve guy who doesn't fly that trip. If it gets moved down the ladder, I won't be heart broken, but I don't see the issue with it. I've never OOBWS a trip in my life, but as a junior reserve bidder, it's helped me big time. Sorry buy I'm not going to shed a tear over someone who feels they've been shorted a GS here and there due to an OOBWS.

Comparing this to selling back vacation is a hilariously apples to wombats comparison. This MAY affect a category by .25 to maybe .5 pilots/category (if that). Selling vacation back would be a HUGE manning give.

Abouttime2fish
01-30-2020, 03:13 PM
It's no more dirty than anything else in the contract. On the flip side, it increases may the QOL of someone who is to junior to hold a base but may live there and/or a junior reserve guy who doesn't fly that trip. If it gets moved down the ladder, I won't be heart broken, but I don't see the issue with it. I've never OOBWS a trip in my life, but as a junior reserve bidder, it's helped me big time. Sorry buy I'm not going to shed a tear over someone who feels they've been shorted a GS here and there due to an OOBWS.

Comparing this to selling back vacation is a hilariously apples to wombats comparison. This MAY affect a category by .25 to maybe .5 pilots/category. Selling vacation back would be a HUGE manning give.

of course when he dumps all his non commutable NYC trips, the new hire that lives in LA gets it. So.....idk. Havenít had this problem on the 88 in a while!

hockeypilot44
01-30-2020, 03:15 PM
I'd like to see vacation count as credit. That would stop my captains from white slipping to 150 hours per month. It's dirty, hurts staffing, and helps the company. It's contractually legal though.

crewdawg
01-30-2020, 03:30 PM
I'd like to see vacation count as credit. That would stop my captains from white slipping to 150 hours per month. It's dirty, hurts staffing, and helps the company. It's contractually legal though.

In total agreement!

bohicagain
01-30-2020, 03:32 PM
While we are at it....

ALL greenslips on reserve should pay the entire trip over guarantee. Not just the X days.

duder
01-30-2020, 03:35 PM
While we are at it....

ALL greenslips on reserve should pay the entire trip over guarantee. Not just the X days.

Absolutely.

sailingfun
01-30-2020, 03:39 PM
While we are at it....

ALL greenslips on reserve should pay the entire trip over guarantee. Not just the X days.

Only the top 20% in each category would be able to hold reserve if that were the case.

DWC CAP10 USAF
01-30-2020, 03:39 PM
I think the reason in base guys get their panties in a bunch is this: Delta doesnít staff s category enough so there isnít enough reserves for guys to drop trips....not enough reserves normally equals GSís, but before in base guy can partake in said greens, OOBWS swoops in...so in base guy gets double hit...canít drops trips...canít get greens

HTBH
01-30-2020, 03:48 PM
We need to get rid of Out of base White Slips. Pilot lives in a base and can hold Captain on the same plane but holds Captain in NYC. Then pilot drops his NYC trips and OB whites slips trips in the base he lives in. Prevents GS to the category pilot lives in. Pilot is not popular in that base. Iím not even on this plane. Just hear about it from pilots in this base. Itís per the contract that needs changed.

Maybe in the past this was possible, but with the reserve coverage the way it is in NYC narrowbodies right now, both A and B side, it is nearly impossible to drop any trips, let alone your entire schedule. The change in QOL since the optimizer and the complete lack of commutability has been ridiculous.

Crown
01-30-2020, 04:05 PM
LOL. Vacations are down, ALVs are up, AE results are delayed (which really they arenít, this guy just keeps promising them tomorrow created the perception of a delay), all because itís a leap year.

https://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n8/bgeist111/35c4e8d470e6356657f677d8cb74bc357806d6bc3eab38e264 ac3eb061bfc543_zps661ozoyz.jpg (https://s108.photobucket.com/user/bgeist111/media/35c4e8d470e6356657f677d8cb74bc357806d6bc3eab38e264 ac3eb061bfc543_zps661ozoyz.jpg.html)

crazyjaydawg
01-30-2020, 04:18 PM
Only the top 20% in each category would be able to hold reserve if that were the case.



Good riddance

Han Solo
01-30-2020, 04:25 PM
While we are at it....

ALL greenslips on reserve should pay the entire trip over guarantee. Not just the X days.
agree
plus the PB days when it covers an XX day

Only the top 20% in each category would be able to hold reserve if that were the case.
I've been told those are the rules at UAL. Also pretty sure top 20% don't sit reserve.

RockyBoy
01-30-2020, 04:42 PM
Only the top 20% in each category would be able to hold reserve if that were the case.

And thatís a problem how? 😂

sailingfun
01-30-2020, 04:45 PM
agree
plus the PB days when it covers an XX day


I've been told those are the rules at UAL. Also pretty sure top 20% don't sit reserve.

You have been told wrong. In fact at UAL if your category is considered global they can fly you over your off days and simply slide them to when you get back from the trip for no penalty at all. Delta management would love to have that ability in our international categories.

Han Solo
01-30-2020, 07:28 PM
You have been told wrong. In fact at UAL if your category is considered global they can fly you over your off days and simply slide them to when you get back from the trip for no penalty at all. Delta management would love to have that ability in our international categories.

As usual you bring up an irrelevant point that has nothing to do with my comment. UAL pilots who volunteer to fly a trip on a day off get bonus pay for the entire trip and they get that day off back. The RES rules for the 2 companies are so different itís difficult to compare them. For the most part our rules are superior, but in this case theirs can be better. Global reserve is terrible, but has no bearing on premium pay trips and no relevance to what I was commenting on.

BigHitterLlama
01-30-2020, 07:33 PM
Sorry to post something relevant to the topic but... FB reports DALPA received the preliminary results like an hour ago and plans to send them back to the company first thing tomorrow. Carry on with the cat videos and poo flinging...

Redbird611
01-30-2020, 07:40 PM
Sorry to post something relevant to the topic but... FB reports DALPA received the preliminary results like an hour ago and plans to send them back to the company first thing tomorrow. Carry on with the cat videos and poo flinging...


So based on previous FB and SkyHub intel accuracy... Monday-ish?

BigHitterLlama
01-30-2020, 07:43 PM
So based on previous FB and SkyHub intel accuracy... Monday-ish?

yep. Same as the original ď+4Ē prognosis.

weekendflyer
01-30-2020, 09:03 PM
Sorry to post something relevant to the topic but... FB reports DALPA received the preliminary results like an hour ago and plans to send them back to the company first thing tomorrow. Carry on with the cat videos and poo flinging...

where did you see this?

crewdawg
01-31-2020, 02:15 AM
where did you see this?

S.K. on the Widget pilot TA group posted it late last night.

BigHitterLlama
01-31-2020, 02:59 AM
where did you see this?
cat videos? Theyíre everywhere. Insta, YouTube, Facebook, emails from grandma...

Abouttime2fish
01-31-2020, 03:07 AM
Are the results out meow?

RJ4LIFE
01-31-2020, 04:04 AM
So based on previous FB and SkyHub intel accuracy... Monday-ish?
Dont they want people in training in March? I'm guessing they'll be working this weekend

Bainite
01-31-2020, 04:34 AM
Thought their favorite AE release time was Friday 4pm so they can hit the publish key, then immediately turn off the lights and leave for the weekend.

TED74
01-31-2020, 04:40 AM
Thought their favorite AE release time was Friday 4pm so they can hit the publish key, then immediately turn off the lights and leave for the weekend.

After reading the council 20 update, I'm thinking the lights are already off by 4...

forgot to bid
01-31-2020, 05:45 AM
Getting ready for some AE results!

https://i.imgur.com/NuflgrI.gif

Abouttime2fish
01-31-2020, 05:48 AM
Aaaahhhh!!!! I canít un-see that!!!!

bohicagain
01-31-2020, 05:49 AM
getting ready for some ae results!

https://i.imgur.com/nuflgri.gif

🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢

4fans
01-31-2020, 05:49 AM
Getting ready for some AE results!

https://i.imgur.com/NuflgrI.gif
I feel like his shirt is too small.

Flying Monkey
01-31-2020, 05:52 AM
His shirt is the least disturbing part of that. I sure wish he hadnít turned around.

RAH RAH REE
01-31-2020, 05:55 AM
I feel like his shirt is too small.
I don't think it's the size of his shirt that's the issue here.

4fans
01-31-2020, 05:58 AM
I don't think it's the size of his shirt that's the issue here.

You know, now that you mention it, there are other concerns.

Jaww
01-31-2020, 06:01 AM
You know, now that you mention it, there are other concerns.

Its like when my wife asks me if this dress makes my butt look fat. Thatís a no win scenario.

bohicagain
01-31-2020, 06:08 AM
AE results...... NO
AE rumors......NO

But look at this fat guy do a twirl!

RAH RAH REE
01-31-2020, 06:14 AM
AE results...... NO
AE rumors......NO

But look at this fat guy do a twirl!

I imagine this is what Bob is doing instead of running the AE

forgot to bid
01-31-2020, 06:19 AM
AE results...... NO
AE rumors......NO

But look at this fat guy do a twirl!

dont blame the messenger for finding that picture and posting it. :D

I will say I'm not even bidding anything, but this one is going to be fascinating.

D B Cooper
01-31-2020, 06:24 AM
dont blame the messenger for finding that picture and posting it. :D

I will say I'm not even bidding anything, but this one is going to be fascinating.

Between the results and the Superbowl, the suspense is killing me.

4fans
01-31-2020, 06:25 AM
dont blame the messenger for finding that picture and posting it. :D

I will say I'm not even bidding anything, but this one is going to be fascinating.

It must be fascinating if they had it done on Tuesday but tried changing it 400 different ways to "optimize" their result.

Abouttime2fish
01-31-2020, 06:38 AM
Now they are running vacation bids at the same time? Figure delta will have a global IT melt down in 5....4....3....

forgot to bid
01-31-2020, 06:47 AM
Now they are running vacation bids at the same time? Figure delta will have a global IT melt down in 5....4....3....

I think everything we do is on sharepoint... look for Microsoft to crash in 3...2...

DELTA DOG
01-31-2020, 07:05 AM
"Expected time of re-acquisition, the time when the
AE Results were expected to come out of blackout, has come...
and gone. About all any of us can do now is just listen and
hope." - Walter Cronkite

https://jpmorgan.smugmug.com/Meme/i-5JTxzbr/Ahttps://photos.smugmug.com/Meme/i-5JTxzbr/0/f9d32e6f/S/Apollo13Waiting-S.jpg

bigdaddie
01-31-2020, 07:10 AM
Due to reduced service to China, the AE bid has been changed to strictly a Displacement Bid. This created so many computing operations that they were forced to upgrade from an 8088 processor to an 80286; this of course, made the software incompatible. The one programmer Delta has in India is currently deeply involved with upgrades to MiCrew that will detect and report when we are not wearing our hats.

Bottom line, after they ditch all the new software, Bob will do them manually this weekend while watching the SuperBowl with a case of beer.

Monday...

D B Cooper
01-31-2020, 07:19 AM
I think everything we do is on sharepoint... look for Microsoft to crash in 3...2...
It's probably a fetzer valve.

GucciBoy
01-31-2020, 07:37 AM
"Expected time of re-acquisition, the time when the

AE Results were expected to come out of blackout, has come...

and gone. About all any of us can do now is just listen and

hope." - Walter Cronkite



https://jpmorgan.smugmug.com/Meme/i-5JTxzbr/Ahttps://photos.smugmug.com/Meme/i-5JTxzbr/0/f9d32e6f/S/Apollo13Waiting-S.jpg



Well done!

igotgummed
01-31-2020, 07:37 AM
Alpa Skedís guy on fb says Alpa still has the award and believes thereís a contractual violation w the posted conversion date. The saga continues.

RockyBoy
01-31-2020, 07:46 AM
Alpa Skedís guy on fb says Alpa still has the award and believes thereís a contractual violation w the posted conversion date. The saga continues.

And he said there may be a further delay due to the announced suspension of all China flying.

4fans
01-31-2020, 08:30 AM
Alpa Skedís guy on fb says Alpa still has the award and believes thereís a contractual violation w the posted conversion date. The saga continues.

There is some debate over when the AE results become "official" I think.

bluesky24
01-31-2020, 08:38 AM
And he said there may be a further delay due to the announced suspension of all China flying.

From what I can gather, it appears as though the earliest conversion date was 31JAN on this AE. Due to the companies delays and constant rerunning of the bid, they have failed to get the AE out in a timely manner. They missed the 30JAN deadline. So the new bid month has started and the earliest conversion date becomes 02MAR. So anyone that had seat lock in February should now be eligible to be awarded something in this AE.

There seems to be some argument that since DALPA received the final draft at 2230 ET on the 30th that the company has met the deadline. With ALPA arguing that their offices are not staffed at that hour.

I read the China comment as having nothing to do with the AE but that many higher level decision makers are dealing with that other than the AE.

LeineLodge
01-31-2020, 08:42 AM
From what I can gather, it appears as though the earliest conversion date was 31JAN on this AE. Due to the companies delays and constant rerunning of the bid, they have failed to get the AE out in a timely manner. They missed the 30JAN deadline. So the new bid month has started and the earliest conversion date becomes 02MAR. So anyone that had seat lock in February should now be eligible to be awarded something in this AE.

There seems to be some argument that since DALPA received the final draft at 2230 ET on the 30th that the company has met the deadline. With ALPA arguing that their offices are not staffed at that hour.

I read the China comment as having nothing to do with the AE but that many higher level decision makers are dealing with that other than the AE.

My understanding as well. So probably COB next Friday...everybody can stop hitting refresh on deltanet and enjoy the weekend (http://i.viglink.com/?key=481c1e0bb7406ee862f1f8858ec6342e&insertId=7c009d089ee35bde&type=L&exp=-1%3Ana%3A0&libId=k62gex4h0100a0tt000MAc4tul5ul&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26p%3D2968317&v=1&iid=7c009d089ee35bde&opt=true&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.marriott.com&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fdel ta%2F126997-january-ae-results-17.html&title=Reply%20to%20Topic%20-%20Airline%20Pilot%20Central%20Forums&txt=%3Cspan%3Eweekend%3C%2Fspan%3E).

Abouttime2fish
01-31-2020, 08:53 AM
Then folks who were originally seat locked and therefor didnít bid, will need a chance to bid. So this whole thing starts over from posting vacancies? This seems like a real rookie mistake. probably got thrown off due to leap year.

4fans
01-31-2020, 08:53 AM
My understanding as well. So probably COB next Friday...everybody can stop hitting refresh on deltanet and enjoy the weekend (http://i.viglink.com/?key=481c1e0bb7406ee862f1f8858ec6342e&insertId=7c009d089ee35bde&type=L&exp=-1%3Ana%3A0&libId=k62gex4h0100a0tt000MAc4tul5ul&loc=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fnew reply.php%3Fdo%3Dnewreply%26p%3D2968317&v=1&iid=7c009d089ee35bde&opt=true&out=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.marriott.com&ref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.airlinepilotforums.com%2Fdel ta%2F126997-january-ae-results-17.html&title=Reply%20to%20Topic%20-%20Airline%20Pilot%20Central%20Forums&txt=%3Cspan%3Eweekend%3C%2Fspan%3E).

If this is all true, what a spectacular oversight.

if there are a bunch of new bidders, it wonít be out next Friday because they have to let those people bid! So another 2-3 weeks.

RAH RAH REE
01-31-2020, 09:02 AM
Why do they even set the conversion dates so close to the bid end? It's not like anyone was going to actually go to training 2 days after it is posted.

Just to screw with more people's seat locks?

Abouttime2fish
01-31-2020, 09:05 AM
If this is all true, what a spectacular oversight.

if there are a bunch of new bidders, it wonít be out next Friday because they have to let those people bid! So another 2-3 weeks.

what if I got my bid originally, but when they push it back a month I donít? Any pay protection there? This sounds like quite the mess in the making.

Han Solo
01-31-2020, 09:05 AM
Why do they even set the conversion dates so close to the bid end? It's not like anyone was going to actually go to training 2 days after it is posted.

Just to screw with more people's seat locks?

So they can keep people seat locked until the next bid.

phoenixc130
01-31-2020, 09:05 AM
No kidding! Just start doing darn thing earlier in the month.

igotgummed
01-31-2020, 09:06 AM
I wonder how many seatlocks expire in Feb? There was a Moab around this time 2 years ago, no?

RJ4LIFE
01-31-2020, 09:13 AM
The ALPA offices were closed when the company submitted it? Is that contractual language? Because if not, that's pretty flimsy. I don't really see ALPA's motivation for fighting this. I could see the company just pushing the results out and challenging ALPA to grieve it given how much sim availability might be wasted if they had to re-post the bid and start the clock again.

TED74
01-31-2020, 09:13 AM
If your business practice only has 90 minutes of slop, you're doing something wrong.

Is CR undermanned like we are? Maybe that's a shop management might plus up a tad.

hvydvr
01-31-2020, 09:15 AM
I wonder how many seatlocks expire in Feb? There was a Moab around this time 2 years ago, no?

I think this might be a player. Wasnít the 220 ramping up on that one? This might get
interesting.

DWC CAP10 USAF
01-31-2020, 09:28 AM
It's probably a fetzer valve.https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oEduMFBwrRk2awhfW/source.gif

Baradium
01-31-2020, 09:29 AM
As usual you bring up an irrelevant point that has nothing to do with my comment. UAL pilots who volunteer to fly a trip on a day off get bonus pay for the entire trip and they get that day off back. The RES rules for the 2 companies are so different itís difficult to compare them. For the most part our rules are superior, but in this case theirs can be better. Global reserve is terrible, but has no bearing on premium pay trips and no relevance to what I was commenting on.

I think in this case their overall reserve rules are very relevant as global reserve is massive in regards to how much premium the company even has to offer.

I would also say that reserves getting a GS that covers on call days should then be counted as a GSWC in our coverage ladder rather than a straight GS if they are going to get premium pay for all of them. On that note, where in the UAL coverage ladder are reserves who fly premium that covers reserve days?

RAH RAH REE
01-31-2020, 09:29 AM
I think this might be a player. Wasnít the 220 ramping up on that one? This might get
interesting.

The biggest amount of seat locks on the 220 are up this summer. And around this time last year was when they were just starting to ramp up hiring so there isn't that many new hires with seatlocks expiring.

Baradium
01-31-2020, 09:30 AM
Then folks who were originally seat locked and therefor didnít bid, will need a chance to bid. So this whole thing starts over from posting vacancies? This seems like a real rookie mistake. probably got thrown off due to leap year.

As the company always has the option to waive seat locks, I'm not sure they would need to repost the AE to rerun it. It falls on pilots to have bids in for what they want regardless of whether they think they will be awarded it.

iaflyer
01-31-2020, 09:36 AM
As the company always has the option to waive seat locks, I'm not sure they would need to repost the AE to rerun it. It falls on pilots to have bids in for what they want regardless of whether they think they will be awarded it.Yes, but if you have a seat lock, why would you bid something? I certainly wouldn't. I've been here more than a decade and never heard of anyone's seat lock being waived.

RamenNoodles
01-31-2020, 09:39 AM
The ALPA offices were closed when the company submitted it? Is that contractual language? Because if not, that's pretty flimsy. I don't really see ALPA's motivation for fighting this. I could see the company just pushing the results out and challenging ALPA to grieve it given how much sim availability might be wasted if they had to re-post the bid and start the clock again.

Iím sure ALPA is fighting it because itís contract time and they are playing hardball. I wouldnít be surprised if the whole thing has to be rebid. Frankly, I wouldnít mind if itís a wake up call to the company that their AE process needs.... improvement. This will be interesting!

ERflyer
01-31-2020, 09:53 AM
The ALPA offices were closed when the company submitted it? Is that contractual language? Because if not, that's pretty flimsy. I don't really see ALPA's motivation for fighting this. I could see the company just pushing the results out and challenging ALPA to grieve it given how much sim availability might be wasted if they had to re-post the bid and start the clock again.


They said the office was closed at 2230e when it was submitted.

4fans
01-31-2020, 10:04 AM
This seems eerily similar to the company and Alpaís different interpretations on the virtual bases and how they should be handled.

the difference being AEís have to happen, or there are vacancies to stick new hires into.

TED74
01-31-2020, 10:05 AM
The ALPA offices were closed when the company submitted it? Is that contractual language? Because if not, that's pretty flimsy. I don't really see ALPA's motivation for fighting this. I could see the company just pushing the results out and challenging ALPA to grieve it given how much sim availability might be wasted if they had to re-post the bid and start the clock again.

I could see the company doing as you speculate, because they have demonstrated their willingness to violate PWA items they find inconvenient. I'm happy to walk into mediated negotiations with yet another grievance (or finding) against the company; there's quite a pile already. I think their junior varsity negotiating squad is in pretty deep over their head and such a move would only help us.

Trip7
01-31-2020, 10:12 AM
Interesting fight to pick by ALPA. If the Company decides to award less WB Capt positions due to China flight cancellations could have cascading effects on the awards

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bohicagain
01-31-2020, 10:18 AM
Damn you guys. I go work a 2 hour flight and notice 5 pages of comments with zero to show for it.

PilotWombat
01-31-2020, 10:22 AM
Comparing this to selling back vacation is a hilariously apples to wombats comparison.

I don't really have a position on this issue.

Apples are ok though.

Two Kings
01-31-2020, 10:22 AM
Interesting fight to pick by ALPA. If the Company decides to award less WB Capt positions due to China flight cancellations could have cascading effects on the awards

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If they do that they take their chances. If this all blows over and the flying picks up again a few captains are going to have some fat paychecks picking up green slips during the shortage.

NavyFlyer
01-31-2020, 10:25 AM
Interesting fight to pick by ALPA. If the Company decides to award less WB Capt positions due to China flight cancellations could have cascading effects on the awards

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Theyíd be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Not enough SIM time to keep up if they delay.

That said, why did the company wait so long to finish running the bid? This isnít rocket science and their are computers that do the work for you.

This is a company problemóeverything (timing) is within their control.


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Trip7
01-31-2020, 10:28 AM
Theyíd be cutting off their nose to spite their face. Not enough SIM time to keep up if they delay.

That said, why did the company wait so long to finish running the bid? This isnít rocket science and their are computers that do the work for you.

This is a company problemóeverything (timing) is within their control.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYou do have a good point. They probably won't take so long to process bids from now on

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Chakerik
01-31-2020, 10:30 AM
You do have a good point. They probably won't take so long to process bids from now on

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Agreed. If they missed the deadline and alpa is calling them out on it I wouldn't view it as a fight. If they tables were turned I'm sure the company would do the same thing that alpa is doing.

NavyFlyer
01-31-2020, 10:34 AM
This whole things reals of armatures at the helm of a Fortune 500 company. Or at least skilled people afraid to tell their boss that they need to make some changes.

IT meltdowns
A350 staffing debacle
Greenslip Palooza this summer (again: staffing)
AE mess ups

The fear of an expenditure beyond ďoptimum,Ē is costing more money than if they allowed a little slop within their processes.

Just call slop what it is: insurance. And that, simply, is part of the cost of doing business.


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4fans
01-31-2020, 10:44 AM
I canít wait until 2040 and Iíll be telling my FO ďback in my day, AEís didnít even have results!Ē

GucciBoy
01-31-2020, 10:44 AM
Interesting fight to pick by ALPA. If the Company decides to award less WB Capt positions due to China flight cancellations could have cascading effects on the awards

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If the company missed a deadline that would allow locked pilots to now bid a new position, thatís not picking a fight, thatís ALPA looking out for the pilots, which is, you know, their job.

Do you have management pilot rťsumťs out at other airlines? Iíll write you a letter of recommendation If itíll help.

bluesky24
01-31-2020, 10:44 AM
This whole things reals of armatures at the helm of a Fortune 500 company. Or at least skilled people afraid to tell their boss that they need to make some changes.

IT meltdowns
A350 staffing debacle
Greenslip Palooza this summer (again: staffing)
AE mess ups

The fear of an expenditure beyond ďoptimum,Ē is costing more money than if they allowed a little slop within their processes.

Just call slop what it is: insurance. And that, simply, is part of the cost of doing business.


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I agree. It seems like they are trying to sharp shoot everything using analytics. The problem I see, is that the complexity and multitudes of unknown variables. Iím no expert, but it seems like analytics should be used to support experienced people making good decisions. Instead it seems to be the driving decision making even if common sense and experience tell a different story.

4fans
01-31-2020, 10:49 AM
If the company missed a deadline that would allow locked pilots to now bid a new position, thatís not picking a fight, thatís ALPA looking out for the pilots, which is, you know, their job.

Do you have management pilot rťsumťs out at other airlines? Iíll write you a letter of recommendation If itíll help.

Not taking sides, but I think what trip is pointing out is that there are certain circumstances that could make the end result of this dispute a situation that is not better, but instead worse for the pilot group.

bohicagain
01-31-2020, 10:49 AM
If the company missed a deadline that would allow locked pilots to now bid a new position, thatís not picking a fight, thatís ALPA looking out for the pilots, which is, you know, their job.



Exactly! Post the results and post another AE that allows only pilots who became unlocked by the new month a chance to bid seats that were awarded to anyone junior without kicking anyone off.

SlingAir
01-31-2020, 10:54 AM
I agree. It seems like they are trying to sharp shoot everything using analytics. The problem I see, is that the complexity and multitudes of unknown variables. Iím no expert, but it seems like analytics should be used to support experienced people making good decisions. Instead it seems to be the driving decision making even if common sense and experience tell a different story.

Nailed it! I agree.

forgot to bid
01-31-2020, 10:55 AM
I canít wait until 2040 and Iíll be telling my FO ďback in my day, AEís didnít even have results!Ē

You win. :D :D :D

GucciBoy
01-31-2020, 10:56 AM
Not taking sides, but I think what trip is pointing out is that there are certain circumstances that could make the end result of this dispute a situation that is not better, but instead worse for the pilot group.



What Trip is saying is, ďDonít take the company to task over this, because they might take their ball and go home and then weíll all regret speaking up when they broke the rules.Ē As someone posted earlier, if the company wanted to try to minimize staffing now because of the threat of a virus, they do so at their own peril. We all know how that is likely to turn out for them. Maybe they want some more A350 one-year-millionaires.

crewdawg
01-31-2020, 11:04 AM
Yes, but if you have a seat lock, why would you bid something? I certainly wouldn't. I've been here more than a decade and never heard of anyone's seat lock being waived.

Why wouldn't you? I've never heard of it happening either but I still put in new AE bid preferences (with % qualifiers) the day after I was awarded my current category. No matter how unlikely, the company can always award something if it's in their favor.

Jaww
01-31-2020, 11:10 AM
Let me see if I get this right. The company delivered results at 2230EST the last day of the bid period. That gave ALPA 1:30 hour to review. So Delta is ďlegalĒ submitting but what is the historic review time. I think thatís what we are talking about. No way Delta expected them to review and get it back after the shop was closed with a little over an hour. If so, wow. What am I missing?

TED74
01-31-2020, 11:14 AM
Exactly! Post the results and post another AE that allows only pilots who became unlocked by the new month a chance to bid seats that were awarded to anyone junior without kicking anyone off.

... but seats they would vacate should have been available to others. Only way to fix this properly is to rerun from scratch, even if on an abbreviated timeline.

Trip7
01-31-2020, 11:16 AM
What also is ironic is C20 blasted Management for not having a Training Scheduler available 24/7 but now the MEC Admin is saying the company missed the deadline because no one at DALPA is available to look at it at 10:30pm on the 30th.

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Jaww
01-31-2020, 11:17 AM
What also is ironic is C20 blasted Management for not having a Training Scheduler available 24/7 but now the MEC Admin is saying the company missed the deadline because no one at DALPA is available to look at it at 10:30pm on the 30th.

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Youre right. These issues are totally the same.

Lets make sure we drop everything we are doing to make sure we can help the company out of a stupid mistake. Because, I guess thatís our full time job now.

TED74
01-31-2020, 11:20 AM
Why wouldn't you? I've never heard of it happening either but I still put in new AE bid preferences (with % qualifiers) the day after I was awarded my current category. No matter how unlikely, the company can always award something if it's in their favor.

Folks make life plans around when they have to clear their 210-day or 365-day calendar of events that could be infringed upon by training and OE/TOE... that time when you literally have no control over your schedule despite any amount of seniority. If you tell someone they are frozen, I can understand them ignoring the process altogether. You can't expect 14,500 pilots to hedge for company incompetence, although I'm sure many will start doing so after this potential debacle.

phoenixc130
01-31-2020, 11:20 AM
The reading is about to become interesting. I have my dark tinted nuclear glasses on! Just wow!

(in reference to 24-hr availability)

Trip7
01-31-2020, 11:23 AM
Youre right. These issues are totally the same.



Lets make sure we drop everything we are doing to make sure we can help the company out of a stupid mistake. Because, I guess thatís our full time job now.Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.

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Abouttime2fish
01-31-2020, 11:26 AM
Anything good coming out of sky net on this?

Jaww
01-31-2020, 11:26 AM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.

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You know there is an on call training scheduler, right? Somebody didnít answer their phone.

As for this remark, I feel this pilot group doesnít owes Delta any favors after them trashing our contract. We played this within the rules. An hour and a half to review a bid this size? Trip, even you have to know thatís absurd. They tried to squeak another one in and failed. Itís becoming all too common.

Chakerik
01-31-2020, 11:26 AM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.

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Theres a huge difference in a scheduler not being available after 4pm with a full vm box and no other contact and Dalpa recieving a huge ae reward to review at 1030pm the night it's due. You surely can see this?

tunes
01-31-2020, 11:28 AM
Theres a huge difference in a scheduler not being available after 4pm with a full vm box and no other contact and Dalpa recieving a huge ae reward to review at 1030pm the night it's due. You surely can see this?
no, he canít...

NavyFlyer
01-31-2020, 11:34 AM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.

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You serious? That’s a rude thing to say to those who work tirelessly on your behalf each and everyday.

It was given to DALPA at 2230. That’s PM. No, I do not expect my full time staff there at those hours. Especially when ** said he’d have it out early Thursday morning.

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boog123
01-31-2020, 11:41 AM
What also is ironic is C20 blasted Management for not having a Training Scheduler available 24/7 but now the MEC Admin is saying the company missed the deadline because no one at DALPA is available to look at it at 10:30pm on the 30th.

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Only to maybe two people....

higney85
01-31-2020, 11:50 AM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.

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ALPA admin is not 24/7 beyond the emergency contact lines. Those are non-pilots in Virginia. FPL would be pilots doing ALPA work. Big difference and same goals.

From past experience doing (previous life) ALPA work, the first time you pull an ďall-nighterĒ for the company OR pilot group, it becomes an expectation going forward. Itís not a sustainable practice beyond the designated ďafter hoursĒ folks on FPL to be on call. For scheduling/IROP, ALPA (and the company) needs 24/7 contact and support. Any other committee that is NOT ďreal timeĒ, no. Just defined hours that everyone knows.

I donít want my dues paying dollars supporting a 2am nightmare over a 401k concern to a R&I guy who will answer on FPL. I do want my dues paying for a midnight FAR 117 question, after multiple reroutes, split trips, other variables, when itís imperative to get an answer immediately; ďsituationĒ answered by someone paid to be on call and familiar with this topic.

This is 2020. The company touted Tech improvements to the AE process. The contract hasnít changed (tongue, meet cheek), this shouldnít take long. Parameters and test runs could have been done prior to close, at close a few runs (backfills matter), send to ALPA, ALPA responds. 3 days. Issues? Each side gets a day. Thatís 5. Hello Friday.

TANSTAAFL
01-31-2020, 11:51 AM
I thought the freezes were based on the bid closing date not when they notified ALPA of results. In that case there was several days on the deadline. If I'm
mistaken can you cite a reference?

bugman61
01-31-2020, 11:52 AM
I thought the freezes were based on the bid closing date not when they notified ALPA of results, in which case there was several days on the deadline. if I'm

mistaken can you cite a reference?



Freezes are based on award date.

The earliest conversion date must be after the award date.

D B Cooper
01-31-2020, 11:56 AM
This is 2020. The company touted Tech improvements to the AE process. The contract hasnít changed (tongue, meet cheek), this shouldnít take long. Parameters and test runs could have been done prior to close, at close a few runs (backfills matter), send to ALPA, ALPA responds. 3 days. Issues? Each side gets a day. Thatís 5. Hello Friday.
Must be the reason why I can't access my pay. The AE knocked out the mainframe.

AlphaBeta
01-31-2020, 11:58 AM
What also is ironic is C20 blasted Management for not having a Training Scheduler available 24/7 but now the MEC Admin is saying the company missed the deadline because no one at DALPA is available to look at it at 10:30pm on the 30th.

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Poor comparison and poor form. All the guys working this are volunteers that start at 8 am. I agree there can be a compromise but blaming ALPA is unreasonable. Your posting on this lack any objectivity.

higney85
01-31-2020, 11:59 AM
Must be the reason why I can't access my pay. The AE knocked out the mainframe.

Took out Deltanet yesterday. I didnít even bid to move. Curiosity is a burden!

fishforfun
01-31-2020, 12:02 PM
What also is ironic is C20 blasted Management for not having a Training Scheduler available 24/7 but now the MEC Admin is saying the company missed the deadline because no one at DALPA is available to look at it at 10:30pm on the 30th.

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The company thanks you for taking the heat off them and refocusing it on you. And thanks for keeping this thread exciting. I look forward to all the deserved comments from your comment.

TANSTAAFL
01-31-2020, 12:14 PM
Freezes are based on award date.

The earliest conversion date must be after the award date.

OK, however unless there were problems that were identified and needed to be corrected after the bid month closed I donít see the late notification as a show stopper. Obviously if it required changes then it needs to be rerun in the following bid month with newly unfrozen pilots.

tunes
01-31-2020, 12:16 PM
ďas of 1500 the update was they were trying to finalize but no definitive timeline for posting.Ē

80ktsClamp
01-31-2020, 12:20 PM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.

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Iím not surprised you would say something like this.

bugman61
01-31-2020, 12:21 PM
OK, however unless there were problems that were identified and needed to be corrected after the bid month closed I donít see the late notification as a show stopper. Obviously if it required changes then it needs to be rerun in the following bid month with newly unfrozen pilots.



Thatís a matter for contract enforcement. The practice clearly includes a review by ALPA and itís not reasonable to expect that it can be done in 90 minutes. The results are not official until posted and that didnít happen. If the company sent it to ALPA after midnight then there would be no debate and the conversion date would have to be next month.

Bucking Bar
01-31-2020, 12:33 PM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.
First, we have no objective evidence to support a theory that ALPA is holding up the results, do we? Lets not get worked up unless this is really the case.

If the company tossed them over at an unreasonable hour for "funsies" then ALPA's correct to have refused. But then the work should have been completed as soon as reasonably possible.

The logic used to justify trip drops is that Volunteers are available full time, any time, just as we pilots are when we are subject to reroute. If it is documented that the results were delayed by our bargaining agent, then we need an explanation from those who dropped trips over Superbowl weekend.

Falcon20
01-31-2020, 12:56 PM
If the company didnít say that the results would be coming to the union late it is unreasonable to expect them to get the review done. Not to mention 90 minutes to ensure quality control is ridiculous.

crazyjaydawg
01-31-2020, 01:16 PM
If the company didnít say that the results would be coming to the union late it is unreasonable to expect them to get the review done. Not to mention 90 minutes to ensure quality control is ridiculous.



They expected the union to review it in under 90 minutes and yet HW stated that they were about to post it at 1500 and more than two hours later they still canít release it?

I know share point can really suck sometimes, but seriously.

This is either intentional lying from crew resources or gross incompetence, but either way they donít seem to learn their lessons no matter how many mistakes are made and how many times they repeat the same errors.

GogglesPisano
01-31-2020, 01:21 PM
Iím not surprised you would say something like this.

Seriously, this guy never ceases to amaze.

Redbird611
01-31-2020, 01:28 PM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.


Surely you're just trolling now.

sailingfun
01-31-2020, 01:29 PM
My understanding is that none of the delay is a union issue. I suspect the company js looking at a very different summer flying program.

TED74
01-31-2020, 01:32 PM
My understanding is that none of the delay is a union issue. I suspect the company js looking at a very different summer flying program.

Perhaps it's their opportunity to offer a lot more summer weeks for vacation.

NavyFlyer
01-31-2020, 01:40 PM
In the days of cell phones in our hand that have more computing power than needed to get to the moon, I truly hope Bob S. and Crew Resources are embarrassed by their superb failure this week.

Congratulations at showing incompetence on a monumental level!

By rerunning the numbers so many times in order to minimize training bypasses, etc, youíll cost flight ops millions more (as now everyone from the MOAB 2 years ago) will be eligible for this bid.

Play stupid games... win stupid prizes.


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Abouttime2fish
01-31-2020, 01:40 PM
Perhaps it's their opportunity to offer a lot more summer weeks for vacation.

just for those with 4-5 weeks of vaca to bid? Or move ups after they finish bidding the pos weeks avail now?

buckleyboy
01-31-2020, 01:48 PM
While I do not claim to have any idea what this SNAFU is all about, I canít help but think there will be many more of them in the coming years.

forgot to bid
01-31-2020, 02:00 PM
While I do not claim to have any idea what this SNAFU is all about, I canít help but think there will be many more of them in the coming years.

I would not doubt that this is due to a lack of people in CR.

windowseat
01-31-2020, 02:03 PM
Word that ALPA has returned the awards to the company with their blessing. Slowly starting to populate VTS in iCrew.

It will be interesting to see what 'mea culpas', if any, are forthcoming from the company.

Funk
01-31-2020, 02:04 PM
I would not doubt that this is due to a lack of people in CR.

And that begs the question of just how much of the airline has been gummed up but that we wonít discover until something else fails?

Express pilot
01-31-2020, 02:04 PM
My guess is Tuesday. I bet they all went home for the weekend. Get it all finalized on Monday and post results Tuesday.

theUpsideDown
01-31-2020, 02:08 PM
Are the DALPA Admin positions not full time postions? Personally if I were on FPL in whichever position reviews the AE Results I'd get it done that night for my pilot group. But that's just me.

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So you have little credibility and double down on more dumb? Do you submit this garbage to the company as extra credit to the management positions youve got your eye on? The lengths you go to are bizarre.

Bold strategy Cotton, lets see how it pays off.
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Baradium
01-31-2020, 02:08 PM
Interesting fight to pick by ALPA. If the Company decides to award less WB Capt positions due to China flight cancellations could have cascading effects on the awards

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I know this is already been touched on, but that doesn't even make sense. China flight cancelations at this point don't even go out far enough that these positions would tend to really be online while it's still a factor. On top of that, we are still taking deliveries and at some point will be going back to the normal schedule. As it is we are behind on staffing, this might relieve the crunch for a bit, but it won't relieve our training requirements.

sailingfun
01-31-2020, 02:11 PM
In the days of cell phones in our hand that have more computing power than needed to get to the moon, I truly hope Bob S. and Crew Resources are embarrassed by their superb failure this week.

Congratulations at showing incompetence on a monumental level!

By rerunning the numbers so many times in order to minimize training bypasses, etc, youíll cost flight ops millions more (as now everyone from the MOAB 2 years ago) will be eligible for this bid.

Play stupid games... win stupid prizes.


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What you post might be the reason however I suspect a decision was made well about the crew resources level to delay the results and perhaps cancel the bid. Given what is going on in the world at the moment probably a smart choice to step back and reevaluate block hour plans. World wide travel may take a giant hit including the domestic US flights. I was shocked at the number of passengers wearing masks on my last flight from Europe. People are scared and advance bookings I hear are dropping fast.

CX500T
01-31-2020, 02:14 PM
JFK was a ghost town this AM. Flight to sfo was eerily open.

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iaflyer
01-31-2020, 02:20 PM
What you post might be the reason however I suspect a decision was made well about the crew resources level to delay the results and perhaps cancel the bid. Given what is going on in the world at the moment probably a smart choice to step back and reevaluate block hour plans. World wide travel may take a giant hit including the domestic US flights. I was shocked at the number of passengers wearing masks on my last flight from Europe. People are scared and advance bookings I hear are dropping fast.I think we can all understand that - when there is no information people starting filling in the blank space with all sorts of ideas.