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91Flyer
02-09-2020, 12:38 PM
Thoughts? Commute to FedEx or go to AA and move to AA base? Been at FedEx a little over a year.


Surprise
02-09-2020, 12:49 PM
Thatís funny I was considering the reverse. Maybe we could just work out a trade?

AllYourBaseAreB
02-09-2020, 12:51 PM
Gattaca 2 electric boogaloo. But which one of you is the cripple and which one is the astronaut..... hmmmmm


91Flyer
02-09-2020, 12:52 PM
What are your issues with AA if you don't mind me asking? I love FedEx but wonder if not commuting to AA would be better.

bleedairpacks
02-09-2020, 12:54 PM
Do you fly a Caravan at FDX? :D

91Flyer
02-09-2020, 01:01 PM
Ha. Not a caravan.....on the Bus

tnkrdrvr
02-09-2020, 01:05 PM
Thoughts? Commute to FedEx or go to AA and move to AA base? Been at FedEx a little over a year.

Wow! Should stir the pot with this question. As you know, there are too many variables you left out (current commute vs QOL at whatever AA domicile you seem to find acceptable, currently 75 or wide body, current age, etc) Generically speaking, living in domicile yields a better lifestyle. However, if you are already 40, you wonít have enough time for your DC value to catch up to FEDEX combination DB/DC plan. Iím assuming you see Memphis, Indy, and LA as unacceptable places to live. If you are 25, the rapid seniority progression at AA probably sounds attractive. I would check percentage seniority progression against your current company, not raw numbers. Finally, your best guess as to which pilot group you think will do best in contract negotiations.

A great position to be in. Personally, I only know of people going the other direction, but different strokes for different folks. Iíll enjoy the argument from the sidelines over at Brown.

Surprise
02-09-2020, 01:09 PM
What are your issues with AA if you don't mind me asking? I love FedEx but wonder if not commuting to AA would be better.

I think our current despair at AA has been well documented on these pages lately. Poor company culture and financials are at the top of the list.

91Flyer
02-09-2020, 01:10 PM
Tnkrdrvr,

I currently commute to MEM from ATL. I am on the Bus (A300). 43 yrs old. Would make the move to DFW or CLT if going AA.

91Flyer
02-09-2020, 01:15 PM
Surprise,
Do you commute or live in base?

tnkrdrvr
02-09-2020, 01:24 PM
Tnkrdrvr,

I currently commute to MEM from ATL. I am on the Bus (A300). 43 yrs old. Would make the move to DFW or CLT if going AA.

I would crunch the career earnings numbers to the best of your ability for both and do a good comparison of retirements between the two. Pretty sure FEDEX will come out ahead on both. Than research where around Indianapolis or Memphis has what you and your wife want. Than sit down with her and ask if she would prefer life in those AA domiciles with the income that would be vs the FedEx domiciles and the income there. I moved to southern Indiana from SoCal and have lived in Colorado, Texas, Maryland, and eastern Washington. My personal experience is that unless you want quick access to something geographically unique (like mountains or beaches), most good sized cities will meet your familyís needs. Good luck!

91Flyer
02-09-2020, 01:30 PM
Tnkrdrvr,
Thank you for your replies. Much appreciated.

Surprise
02-09-2020, 01:57 PM
Surprise,
Do you commute or live in base?

Iíve been here six years. I commuted for three and Iíve lived in base for the last three. Amazingly, the joys of driving to work have been completely offset by the drop in morale, and I think Iím as disenchanted as Iíve ever been, in any job. But thatís just me! :)

TheBlueBaron
02-09-2020, 02:32 PM
Tnkrdrvr,

I currently commute to MEM from ATL. I am on the Bus (A300). 43 yrs old. Would make the move to DFW or CLT if going AA.

Why not stay in ATL and try for DL. It seems they have better morale and definitely better profit sharing.

DarinFred
02-09-2020, 02:45 PM
Iíve been here six years. I commuted for three and Iíve lived in base for the last three. Amazingly, the joys of driving to work have been completely offset by the drop in morale, and I think Iím as disenchanted as Iíve ever been, in any job. But thatís just me! :)

Itís not just you.

91Flyer
02-09-2020, 03:09 PM
TheBlueBaron,
I would definitely go Delta, but I suppose my app isn't "good enough" per their algorithm. Guess I'm not Delta material!

watch
02-09-2020, 04:02 PM
Iíve been here six years. I commuted for three and Iíve lived in base for the last three. Amazingly, the joys of driving to work have been completely offset by the drop in morale, and I think Iím as disenchanted as Iíve ever been, in any job. But thatís just me! :)
You're considering moving from AA with six years seniority and living in base due to a drop in morale? Wow

mainlineAF
02-09-2020, 04:08 PM
You're considering moving from AA with six years seniority and living in base due to a drop in morale? Wow



Perception is reality. Guys say things suck so they believe it. But they wonít leave.

I couldnít be happier at AA. Yea, we need some QOL improvements but things are pretty damn good.

Surprise
02-09-2020, 04:11 PM
You're considering moving from AA with six years seniority and living in base due to a drop in morale? Wow

Not really. Iím stuck here because of the golden handcuffs. And I think thatís part of what sucks. At every job I ever had before, I knew there was something better in the future, and that helps oneís mentality. But now Iím here, and this is it. And itís not great.

WhenPigsFLy
02-09-2020, 04:11 PM
Move to a AA base. Stay off CnR and dont talk airline **** on the road. The day you show up and the doors are chained up then worry. I worked at AA now UPS. I will give the culture is worse at AA, hard to believe. Ive seen to many people try to out guess the future and lose.

thrust
02-09-2020, 04:39 PM
Not really. Iím stuck here because of the golden handcuffs. And I think thatís part of what sucks. At every job I ever had before, I knew there was something better in the future, and that helps oneís mentality. But now Iím here, and this is it. And itís not great.

If youíre really that miserable... leave. Life is too short to be miserable.

Iím guessing youíre not that miserable.

FWIW, the drama queens on this forum arenít nearly representative of my experience at AA. We have a long ways to go, but this job is infinitely better than my last one (active duty mil). Itís not even close.

AllYourBaseAreB
02-09-2020, 05:00 PM
American is in ďdespairĒ? Thatís rich. Room for improvement? Absolutely

mainlineAF
02-10-2020, 04:07 AM
Not really. Iím stuck here because of the golden handcuffs. And I think thatís part of what sucks. At every job I ever had before, I knew there was something better in the future, and that helps oneís mentality. But now Iím here, and this is it. And itís not great.



Some of the most bitter guys are the clt third listers. Theyíve been flying with cranky grandpas their whole time here and they just feed off each other.

Upgrade, go to a wide body, do something besides sit in the right seat in the most senior base and complain.

These are the good times. If you canít be happy now then you never will be.

chrisreedrules
02-10-2020, 04:38 AM
Both AA and FedEx have potential trouble on the horizon. I think AA would provide the most stability over the next 20 years of your career however. And if you came to AA now, you would have a ton of pilots beneath you in just a few years. How many would you have beneath you at FedEx?

I have several friends at FedEx and they love their job. I have several friends at AA and they also love their job. Pick whichever one works best for you and your families needs.

AAL24
02-10-2020, 05:44 AM
Stay at FedEx. American just canít seem to get it together. Service, product, financials, contract, etc. Latest news is they are considering cutting all China flying permanently except for flights originating in DFW. AA runs from competition like nobodyís business. AA finances are questionable. Tons of retirements but at an airline that is turning into a domestic low cost behemoth. If you want to be the senior guy flying DFW-SEA turns in a 321NEO someday then go to AA. If you want to get paid well to see the world stay at FedEx.

Andrew_VT
02-10-2020, 06:02 AM
FWIW, the drama queens on this forum arenít nearly representative of my experience at AA. We have a long ways to go, but this job is infinitely better than my last one (active duty mil). Itís not even close.

This is another great thing about AA. When you try to point out how much our contract lags behind to half the pilot group they say things like "Quit then, I have squadron buddies that want to be here" and "It's better than active duty"

Diesel Hawg
02-10-2020, 06:19 AM
This is another great thing about AA. When you try to point out how much our contract lags behind to half the pilot group they say things like "Quit then, I have squadron buddies that want to be here" and "It's better than active duty"



I agree with you in saying that response gets old after a while. Comparing apples to thorns when comparing active duty military to the airlines and the whole idea of quitting after more than a year or two is unrealistic BUT...

I think you are missing their overarching point when they make that statement. Itís not that we should settle for our current contract and never try and make it better. We should always try and improve on what we have but in the grand scheme of things, life isnít as bad as we professional complaining pilots make it out to be. You can still be happy with your career and unhappy with your contract.

The problem with our culture (besides the obvious corporate leadership issue) is we refuse to try and look at the positive. We think if we show one bit of job satisfaction it is going to lead us to stagnation and not an ILC. That is not the case. The problem with the current culture is even if the BOD attempts to solve the problem by having a leadership change, we will just start complaining about the new leadership and using them as a scapegoat.

Fly the contract and let the NC convince leadership why an ILC is important to everything including morale. But donít be the negativity virus that crushes our morale from the inside and spreads to fellow pilots. Happy with life and satisfied with the contract are not mutually exclusive. If they are to you then no contract is probably going to make you happy.


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mainlineAF
02-10-2020, 06:49 AM
I agree with you in saying that response gets old after a while. Comparing apples to thorns when comparing active duty military to the airlines and the whole idea of quitting after more than a year or two is unrealistic BUT...

I think you are missing their overarching point when they make that statement. Itís not that we should settle for our current contract and never try and make it better. We should always try and improve on what we have but in the grand scheme of things, life isnít as bad as we professional complaining pilots make it out to be. You can still be happy with your career and unhappy with your contract.

The problem with our culture (besides the obvious corporate leadership issue) is we refuse to try and look at the positive. We think if we show one bit of job satisfaction it is going to lead us to stagnation and not an ILC. That is not the case. The problem with the current culture is even if the BOD attempts to solve the problem by having a leadership change, we will just start complaining about the new leadership and using them as a scapegoat.

Fly the contract and let the NC convince leadership why an ILC is important to everything including morale. But donít be the negativity virus that crushes our morale from the inside and spreads to fellow pilots. Happy with life and satisfied with the contract are not mutually exclusive. If they are to you then no contract is probably going to make you happy.


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Well that pretty much takes care of that. Exactly how i feel.

Diesel Hawg
02-10-2020, 06:52 AM
To answer the OPs original question. Lots of pros and cons to either. My opinion is...

Pros for FedEx: Youíll make more money with FedEx and your commute is easier if you have to commute. More international flying.

Pros for AA: You appear to prefer AA bases over FedEx bases. Flying non-rev is still a pro even though people will complain it isnít (yes you could buy last minute tickets for impromptu trips with all that FedEx money but you probably wonít if you are like my buddies).

Cons: you know better than me about FedEx

Cons to AA: low morale and a less than desirable culture for now. Im still overall pretty happy but a very vocal minority of professional complainers gets a bit old after a while. Not a great contact, also for now. And the biggest con is the financial well being of the company. Lots of low interest debt and lagging profit during a very plentiful time. A economic downturn in the next year or two could be bad for us. Not a sky is falling situation (in my opinion) in which the company goes under or lots of furloughs BUT...I could see stagnation and another bad contract if it happens before the new one is signed.

Simply my opinions. Either way, great option to have in the grand scheme. Good luck!





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DirtyPurple
02-10-2020, 07:09 AM
Love the ďvocal minority of professional complainersĒ.

True in so many places, and on so many levels. GOOD DAY to you sir! <tips hat>

Diesel Hawg
02-10-2020, 07:34 AM
Happy with life and satisfied with the contract are not mutually exclusive.



Before someone gets on to me for my improper use of mutually exclusive I meant...

Happy with life and satisfied with the contract CAN be mutually exclusive.


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CLTPilot190
02-10-2020, 07:37 AM
I worked with a newhire in the past couple of years who either came from FedEx or had offers from both FedEx and American and chose AA (can't remember which but really doesn't matter). His reasoning included things like commute and a preference for pax flying, but he brought up an interesting point; he thought better long term job security as he could see a point in his 35+ year career where cargo aircraft were flown single pilot.

Will it happen? Who knows, but interesting variable to throw into the question.

Marlin
02-10-2020, 07:37 AM
Iíve flown w 2 new guys that guit fedex after 1+ years. Both said they were happy w the move , but was more for type of flying than bases . AA is a great gig , could be better , but usually start a trip with ďwe can ***** for 5 minutes ... then letís have fun ď... donít let the culture argument play into your decision

Name User
02-10-2020, 09:45 AM
Not really. Iím stuck here because of the golden handcuffs. And I think thatís part of what sucks. At every job I ever had before, I knew there was something better in the future, and that helps oneís mentality. But now Iím here, and this is it. And itís not great.
I totally understand your feelings. A few years ago, I had a thought. "I'm a lifer". That was what we called the RJ Capts of course who couldn't move on. But it hit me hard. I didn't want this job to be my defining moment in life. I'm better than that and personally think I could better utilize my skills elsewhere. We spent our entire careers looking for that next job, or better company, or advancement. But then I realized...this is it. Not that it's bad here, but...this is all there is? It felt empty.

Use the income from this place and the free time to grow your other skills and investments. You are only stuck here if you spend the majority of your paycheck. Each month my wife and I throw a chunk of money into investments - we are buying our freedom. Freedom from Doug, from computers taking our jobs, from the worry about a medical issue taking my license, etc etc.

These are some of the best times not only in Aviation but in America as a whole. If you seriously cannot be happy now, you need to do some deep diving on what actually makes you happy. Get off Facebook and stop comparing yourself to peers at a Delta or elsewhere and start comparing yourself to yourself. How can you become a better, more fulfilled, person?

Name User
02-10-2020, 10:03 AM
I worked with a newhire in the past couple of years who either came from FedEx or had offers from both FedEx and American and chose AA (can't remember which but really doesn't matter). His reasoning included things like commute and a preference for pax flying, but he brought up an interesting point; he thought better long term job security as he could see a point in his 35+ year career where cargo aircraft were flown single pilot.

Will it happen? Who knows, but interesting variable to throw into the question.

EASA, which is the European version of the FAA, expects autonomous commercial airline travel beginning in 2035. This isn't with small aircraft, this is with Airbus sized equipment. They expect single pilot sometime in 2025-2030. FWIW.

15 years is a long time, but it's not that long. And EASA is not the FAA. But I'd expect close coordination. Airbus is hiring a new head honcho charged with designing the next model aircraft after the A320 series, with specific focus on technology implementation.

I'm not sure where 91 operators (business aircraft) will fit in here. They may remain piloted to some extent. They have a different mission, with the pilot acting as planner/dispatcher, coordinator for things like rental cars and hotels, etc. so they may enjoy a longer career. Who knows.

Either way, I think no matter what, that guy with 35 years left will not make it to the end of his career employed as a airline pilot.

BobZ
02-10-2020, 10:38 AM
plus.....climate experts say we are all gonna be dead in 11 years anyways. :)

91Flyer
02-10-2020, 10:58 AM
Very good insight from all. Thank you for all of the replies. I really have no complaints at all about FedEx. Morale is great. The flying is easy. Yes, I do fly a lot of trips at night, but it is easy. I typically commute in and get to MEM around 11:30pm. I get a sleep room they provide us and take about a 2 hr nap. Get up, fly 1 leg usually under 2 hrs. Go to hotel. Sleep and fly back to MEM around 10pm. Rinse repeat for 2 more days then do a 1 legger to a 60ish hr layover. I block around 25-30 hrs a month. I don’t have an absolute necessity to do long haul. So that isn’t really a big deciding factor to me. I just wonder if living in base would make a great job even better. Indy would be a great option to living in base at FedEx but wife doesn’t like the harsh winters. She also has a LOT of family near CLT and DfW. I am definitely grateful for where I am career wise. My gut says stay put, but just trying to explore all ideas.

OKLATEX
02-10-2020, 11:08 AM
Tnkrdrvr,

I currently commute to MEM from ATL. I am on the Bus (A300). 43 yrs old. Would make the move to DFW or CLT if going AA.

I hope you figure out what works for you in the end.

Iím curious, what is your issue with the commute from Atlanta to Memphis. Iím pondering that commute myself.

I assume you are wanting to live in base and sit reserve?

I get our bases arenít great; Iím a reluctant commuter. Iíve lived in base and commuted with other airlines, commuted my entire career with FedEx. Iíll offer this, like most things with FedEx, it gets better with seniority. Iíll be honest, my only regret really with FedEx is that we didnít move to Memphis. Or at least the outlying areas, Fayette County, Oxford, MS, Jonesboro, AR. Even Nashville, TN. If you are looking for a better schedule to help the commute, might consider a down bid to the 757. Guys here get obsessed with being on a Widebody. There is a reason the top 30% in both seats of the 757 are camped out.

DFW is a great place. Lived there in the past and would have loved to have gotten hired by AA many years ago and moved back. But, Iíll be honest, DFW and ATL maybe be in the northern portion of their respective states, but North Texas is no North Georgia or North Carolina. Living in DFW with AA, great variety with the flying and a nice place to live, but donít think that ATL and CLT are the same as DFW. To me DFW almost has more in common with Los Angeles than it does with ATL/CLT.

Good luck.

tnkrdrvr
02-10-2020, 11:12 AM
Very good insight from all. Thank you for all of the replies. I really have no complaints at all about FedEx. Morale is great. The flying is easy. Yes, I do fly a lot of trips at night, but it is easy. I typically commute in and get to MEM around 11:30pm. I get a sleep room they provide us and take about a 2 hr nap. Get up, fly 1 leg usually under 2 hrs. Go to hotel. Sleep and fly back to MEM around 10pm. Rinse repeat for 2 more days then do a 1 legger to a 60ish hr layover. I block around 25-30 hrs a month. I donít have an absolute necessity to do long haul. So that isnít really a big deciding factor to me. I just wonder if living in base would make a great job even better. Indy would be a great option to living in base at FedEx but wife doesnít like the harsh winters. She also has a LOT of family near CLT and DfW. I am definitely grateful for where I am career wise. My gut says stay put, but just trying to explore all ideas.

I would say trust your gut and the math. When I first saw this thread pop up, I was reminded of our union president who started his airline career at American. He came to Brown while furloughed from American. The guys who went back to American, Delta, and United will retire with lower career earnings and a lesser retirement benefit. Money isnít happiness, but time with your family should be. UPS and FedEx offer that in spades if you make the choice to maximize them, but if FedEx domiciles are truly unacceptable, bite the money bullet and choose family.

Name User
02-10-2020, 11:14 AM
plus.....climate experts say we are all gonna be dead in 11 years anyways. :)
You have a great point. There are many other external factors that could make the job market shrink for pilots in the future as well.

Cicada
02-10-2020, 11:27 AM
Very good insight from all. Thank you for all of the replies. I really have no complaints at all about FedEx. Morale is great. The flying is easy. Yes, I do fly a lot of trips at night, but it is easy. I typically commute in and get to MEM around 11:30pm. I get a sleep room they provide us and take about a 2 hr nap. Get up, fly 1 leg usually under 2 hrs. Go to hotel. Sleep and fly back to MEM around 10pm. Rinse repeat for 2 more days then do a 1 legger to a 60ish hr layover. I block around 25-30 hrs a month. I don’t have an absolute necessity to do long haul. So that isn’t really a big deciding factor to me. I just wonder if living in base would make a great job even better. Indy would be a great option to living in base at FedEx but wife doesn’t like the harsh winters. She also has a LOT of family near CLT and DfW. I am definitely grateful for where I am career wise. My gut says stay put, but just trying to explore all ideas.


i have written earlier of my Fedex buddy who went there right out of AF. I was already at USAir for 3 years. I discouraged him from jumping ship, as I knew FEDEX was a great place. I told him to talk seriously with pilots who had been there a fairly long time. He stayed , eventually went to the top of a fleet as mgr. Guess who made way more and retired with an awesome pension? Not me!
By the way, don't you have a pension as well you might be walking from?

SaturnV
02-10-2020, 11:58 AM
EASA, which is the European version of the FAA, expects autonomous commercial airline travel beginning in 2035. This isn't with small aircraft, this is with Airbus sized equipment. They expect single pilot sometime in 2025-2030. FWIW.

15 years is a long time, but it's not that long. And EASA is not the FAA. But I'd expect close coordination. Airbus is hiring a new head honcho charged with designing the next model aircraft after the A320 series, with specific focus on technology implementation.

I'm not sure where 91 operators (business aircraft) will fit in here. They may remain piloted to some extent. They have a different mission, with the pilot acting as planner/dispatcher, coordinator for things like rental cars and hotels, etc. so they may enjoy a longer career. Who knows.

Either way, I think no matter what, that guy with 35 years left will not make it to the end of his career employed as a airline pilot.
I'm in my twenties and have been at AA since last Fall. Should I stick things out a little longer and see how this whole airline pilot thing plays out for me or is there no point in delaying the inevitable?

black cat
02-10-2020, 12:22 PM
Very good insight from all. Thank you for all of the replies. I really have no complaints at all about FedEx. Morale is great. The flying is easy. Yes, I do fly a lot of trips at night, but it is easy. I typically commute in and get to MEM around 11:30pm. I get a sleep room they provide us and take about a 2 hr nap. Get up, fly 1 leg usually under 2 hrs. Go to hotel. Sleep and fly back to MEM around 10pm. Rinse repeat for 2 more days then do a 1 legger to a 60ish hr layover. I block around 25-30 hrs a month. I donít have an absolute necessity to do long haul. So that isnít really a big deciding factor to me. I just wonder if living in base would make a great job even better. Indy would be a great option to living in base at FedEx but wife doesnít like the harsh winters. She also has a LOT of family near CLT and DfW. I am definitely grateful for where I am career wise. My gut says stay put, but just trying to explore all ideas.

It 100% does. Being able to drive to work makes a night and day difference in this job. Having the option to commute is a great option to have if you need it, but it adds stress and lots of extra time away from home.

M20 Pilot
02-10-2020, 12:27 PM
EASA, which is the European version of the FAA, expects autonomous commercial airline travel beginning in 2035. This isn't with small aircraft, this is with Airbus sized equipment. They expect single pilot sometime in 2025-2030. FWIW.

15 years is a long time, but it's not that long. And EASA is not the FAA. But I'd expect close coordination. Airbus is hiring a new head honcho charged with designing the next model aircraft after the A320 series, with specific focus on technology implementation.

I'm not sure where 91 operators (business aircraft) will fit in here. They may remain piloted to some extent. They have a different mission, with the pilot acting as planner/dispatcher, coordinator for things like rental cars and hotels, etc. so they may enjoy a longer career. Who knows.

Either way, I think no matter what, that guy with 35 years left will not make it to the end of his career employed as a airline pilot.

Nope, That German Wings whack job took care of single pilot airliners EVER happening. Hell, we can't even be alone up there for one pilot to go take a potty break nevermind the entire flight. Technology wise possible, but it's now an unacceptable risk to have only one person on the flight deck.

Name User
02-10-2020, 12:44 PM
Nope, That German Wings whack job took care of single pilot airliners EVER happening. Hell, we can't even be alone up there for one pilot to go take a potty break nevermind the entire flight. Technology wise possible, but it's now an unacceptable risk to have only one person on the flight deck.
Maybe. They word it as "virtual co-pilots". Europe enacted the rule that stated no one was to be left alone, but then rescinded it a little while afterward, so they have a long history of operating with only a single pilot up front and only one incident because of it. Far more accidents occur due to human error.

But to your point, part of what Airbus has said is while they could make it single pilot, they really just want to go full autonomous. I'm not sure if regulators will allow it or not though.

I've gotten the thread off track, I have a separate thread for all of this, my apologies.

PRS Guitars
02-10-2020, 01:30 PM
OP,

My gut would say stay put...more on that in a minute.

With that said, I have to say that yes AA needs improvement in our contract, customer service and financials. But, on a day to day basis as an operator, it doesnít affect me. I enjoy going to work, I enjoy the captains I fly with 99.9% of the time. Iíve been treated well by schedulers, agents, FAís. I donít interact with CPís, Iíve had zero issues with mil leave. Iíve been reassigned, but not often, and nearly always itís a better deal for me (and yes I make them do it per the contract). Iíve gotten all the premium I could want this year (as a commuter). My PBS schedules are pretty dang good. I donít see the misery here, what I see is some guys hung up on changes that occurred post merger and they are clinging to it.

I suspect that many that are unhappy, would be elsewhere too, but who knows. Part of it is I refuse to let the job get me down.

With that said, and with the filter that FedEx was my dream job...Iíd stay. Youíre commute sounds pretty doable to me. I was in a similar boat, hired at AA, live in a UAL/SWA base, after a year and half here offered an interview at UAL and turned it down. I did regret it at various times, but now we donít even want to live where we are at anyway so will likely move to an AA base (at least part time) after the kids are grown. Iím very jealous of no PAX/FAís, that is to me the worst part of the job. One other thing is a lot of the upset pilots at AA are at CLT, theyíve barely moved in the last few years and are not getting good schedules etc. I personally believe that will change in 6 to 9 years, and CLT will become one of the more jr bases, probably Jr to PHL, many will tell you Iím crazy to predict that.

TransWorld
02-10-2020, 01:36 PM
Not crazy at all. All the CLT senior pilots means there will be a large number of retirements in the next few years.

That means a lot of opportunities for pilots to transfer in, if they wish, and a lot of opportunities for pilots to move up.

Right now, very senior means in a few years very junior. Funny how that math works.

91Flyer
02-10-2020, 03:33 PM
Oklatex,

The commute from ATL is not bad, itís just a commute. What I find to be difficult is getting done with a trip in MEM around 11pm and then commuting home on company metal at 3am and getting home in the early morning. I get mildly depressed sitting in the Jumpseat room at FedEx AOC. When I get home, I am useless for several hours. Only doing that 2 times a month is what I usually do, but I bid a 6 day trip to do that. I donít like being gone from home that long, but the benefit is only commuting 2 times. I would love to do 3-4 day trips, but then I would be commuting more. Thatís where my curiosity of AA comes to mind. I could live in base, not commute, and just drive home. Am I crazy? I honestly have no clue!! Man, I feel guilty having these thoughts, but I just canít shake it.

91Flyer
02-10-2020, 03:39 PM
Cicada,
You are correct about the pension. The fear many of us have is that eventually the company will get rid of the pension. In the meanwhile, our B plan is 9% compared to your 16%. I think amongst the FedEx pilots, half think the pension will stay, and the others think it will go away or change in some form. I max out my B plan assuming the pension will disappear. If it’s here when I retire, great.

OKLATEX
02-10-2020, 04:48 PM
Oklatex,

The commute from ATL is not bad, itís just a commute. What I find to be difficult is getting done with a trip in MEM around 11pm and then commuting home on company metal at 3am and getting home in the early morning. I get mildly depressed sitting in the Jumpseat room at FedEx AOC. When I get home, I am useless for several hours. Only doing that 2 times a month is what I usually do, but I bid a 6 day trip to do that. I donít like being gone from home that long, but the benefit is only commuting 2 times. I would love to do 3-4 day trips, but then I would be commuting more. Thatís where my curiosity of AA comes to mind. I could live in base, not commute, and just drive home. Am I crazy? I honestly have no clue!! Man, I feel guilty having these thoughts, but I just canít shake it.

I get it. I actually prefer the shorter trips as well. Some of my Favorite trips in my career were flying 3 day trips for the pax airlines. Late start early finish, about as good as gets. Great when you live in base for sure. Our trips, the more 5-6 allows for week on/week off. Longer gone, longer home. A trade off. Took me awhile to adjust as well. I do miss the shorter trips from passenger days.

Iíll be honest, and Iím not alone, but I avoid the Ďred-eyeí commute for the reason you say. I get a hotel room and stay in Memphis, go home in the morning off-line or afternoon on our flights. Burns time, but not burning my candle at both ends. While not the norm, you would be surprised how many guys do that.

Our system lends itself well to Commuters. The Passenger Airlines lend themselves to living in Base. Itís a trade off. We get longer blocks off, they get shorter trips. Something to be said about both.

450knotOffice
02-10-2020, 06:31 PM
Oklatex,

The commute from ATL is not bad, itís just a commute. What I find to be difficult is getting done with a trip in MEM around 11pm and then commuting home on company metal at 3am and getting home in the early morning. I get mildly depressed sitting in the Jumpseat room at FedEx AOC. When I get home, I am useless for several hours. Only doing that 2 times a month is what I usually do, but I bid a 6 day trip to do that. I donít like being gone from home that long, but the benefit is only commuting 2 times. I would love to do 3-4 day trips, but then I would be commuting more. Thatís where my curiosity of AA comes to mind. I could live in base, not commute, and just drive home. Am I crazy? I honestly have no clue!! Man, I feel guilty having these thoughts, but I just canít shake it.

In 29 years as an airline pilot, I have spent many many years commuting, and can unequivocally say that the job is infinitely better in every way when you live in base. It's not even comparable in any way. You drive to work, you fly, and you drive home. Done. It literally removes almost all the stress and depression and negativity that commuting long term can and will bring.

I cannot overstate this.

texaspilot76
02-10-2020, 07:04 PM
If you are like me, Iíd choose AA because I hate late night flying. I canít stand red eyes. I had a taste of Fedex feeder flying at one time, it was miserable. I like to be in bed at night, not working.

PlaneS
02-10-2020, 08:53 PM
Check your PMs

91Flyer
02-11-2020, 12:32 PM
PM’s checked. Thanks you guys for your replies.

viper548
02-11-2020, 02:58 PM
Live in base. Both are top tier jobs. The one where you live in base is the better one.

155mm
02-11-2020, 03:05 PM
Go already!

Greenhorn
02-13-2020, 09:43 AM
Oklatex,

The commute from ATL is not bad, itís just a commute. What I find to be difficult is getting done with a trip in MEM around 11pm and then commuting home on company metal at 3am and getting home in the early morning. I get mildly depressed sitting in the Jumpseat room at FedEx AOC. When I get home, I am useless for several hours. Only doing that 2 times a month is what I usually do, but I bid a 6 day trip to do that. I donít like being gone from home that long, but the benefit is only commuting 2 times. I would love to do 3-4 day trips, but then I would be commuting more. Thatís where my curiosity of AA comes to mind. I could live in base, not commute, and just drive home. Am I crazy? I honestly have no clue!! Man, I feel guilty having these thoughts, but I just canít shake it.

I have exactly the same feelings as you with the go-home commute. You end up sitting there after working waiting for your flight home at 1,2,3 AM and just have to ponder is this really something I want to be doing in my 50s or 60s. Everyone says how "easy" our commuting is which in regards to ensurring you have a seat home is true. Yet no one talks about how brutal it is spending all night in a jumpseat. And to others who suggested getting a hotel in Memphis to get a normal night sleep. Now youre spending money to be away from home another day and then just playing the Jumpseat game on the pax carriers trying to get home the next day.

BobZ
02-13-2020, 09:53 AM
Seems like the question here is the long way around the barn? First world problems i guess.

GhettoJet
02-22-2020, 02:24 AM
Thoughts? Commute to FedEx or go to AA and move to AA base? Been at FedEx a little over a year.

Leaving FedEx for AA would be the worst career move made by any pilot since the Wright Brothers.

Iíd choose AA because I hate late night flying. I canít stand red eyes. I had a taste of Fedex feeder flying at one time, it was miserable. I like to be in bed at night, not working.

Then AA is the wrong airline for you. We're the industry leader in pairing leading redeyes, 4am show times, and 1-2am arrivals.