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InformationMike
02-24-2020, 09:03 AM
I got an automated decline email prior to any interview steps and I wanted to add to the info for all looking at NJA.

2300 TT
575 Turbine (most of it PIC)
Extensive customer service background
Internal recommendation


Bulldog08
02-24-2020, 04:34 PM
I got an automated decline email prior to any interview steps and I wanted to add to the info for all looking at NJA.

2300 TT
575 Turbine (most of it PIC)
Extensive customer service background
Internal recommendation

Any idea why you got the rejection? Did you meet all of the other minimum times?

AirBear
02-24-2020, 07:19 PM
I got an automated decline email prior to any interview steps and I wanted to add to the info for all looking at NJA.

2300 TT
575 Turbine (most of it PIC)
Extensive customer service background
Internal recommendation

And did you submit the app after the mins were lowered to 1500 hrs? If not that would be an auto rejection.


TexasLonghorn
02-25-2020, 03:16 AM
And did you submit the app after the mins were lowered to 1500 hrs? If not that would be an auto rejection.

I had to go back under a new profile to submit my application a second time after the minimums were lowered because I was too enthusiastic and submitted early. First time I got the automated TBNT and now Iíve at least made it into the first round of interviews.

2350 TT
990 Turbine
1200 Multi

InformationMike
02-25-2020, 08:17 AM
I meet all of the requirements, close to all of the old minimums. I applied as soon as the rumor hit via my NJA pilot friend. Auto decline response within a few days.

Deleted my account and reapplied after Feb 1, but before the job posting showed the new numbers. It took a couple weeks before I received the same email:ďThank you for your recent application for First Officer (NJUS) (222). After further review we have determined that your qualifications are not the correct match for our current opening.Ē

Ovenmitts
02-25-2020, 02:31 PM
I applied with 5200TT, 3600PIC, 4700Multi-turbine. Got the automated TBNT email yesterday. Maybe Iím TOO qualified.

MinRest
02-25-2020, 02:36 PM
I applied with 5200TT, 3600PIC, 4700Multi-turbine. Got the automated TBNT email yesterday. Maybe Iím TOO qualified.

You have the time to go to the airlines, youíre hot lava.

InformationMike
02-25-2020, 05:11 PM
I applied with 5200TT, 3600PIC, 4700Multi-turbine. Got the automated TBNT email yesterday. Maybe Iím TOO qualified.

Seeing that a lot in the interview gouges.

InformationMike
02-25-2020, 05:13 PM
You have the time to go to the airlines, youíre hot lava.

This is why I mentioned a my long-term intent in my cover letter.

Guard
03-05-2020, 05:06 PM
they are dumping guys off probation like candy, not sure what is going on, good news is you leave with a $75K type rating!

727C47
03-05-2020, 05:24 PM
they are dumping guys off probation like candy, not sure what is going on, good news is you leave with a $75K type rating!

actually they arenít , a few have been let go, itís sad, but it happens. Guard I donít know you, I know of you, does it serve you well to haunt these threads forever after your departure? Fair winds to you, I wish you well , but brother it may be healthier for you in the long run to let it go. Cheers.

Shenzi105
03-05-2020, 06:05 PM
actually they arenít , a few have been let go, itís sad, but it happens. Guard I donít know you, I know of you, does it serve you well to haunt these threads forever after your departure? Fair winds to you, I wish you well , but brother it may be healthier for you in the long run to let it go. Cheers.

Very wise words.

hawkerpilot05
03-06-2020, 05:29 AM
they are dumping guys off probation like candy, not sure what is going on, good news is you leave with a $75K type rating!Fake news.

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shrsailplanes
03-06-2020, 06:03 AM
they are dumping guys off probation like candy, not sure what is going on, good news is you leave with a $75K type rating!

NetJets has a union representing the pilot group correct? I see comments like this all the time where pilots get abused and beaten at NetJets only to get fired when they collapse from exhaustion. So, what purpose does the union serve??? A small amount of critical thinking would make anyone suspect of posts like that.

727C47
03-06-2020, 06:15 AM
NetJets has a union representing the pilot group correct? I see comments like this all the time where pilots get abused and beaten at NetJets only to get fired when they collapse from exhaustion. So, what purpose does the union serve??? A small amount of critical thinking would make anyone suspect of posts like that.
exactly .....,,,,....

StandardBrief
03-06-2020, 06:25 AM
they are dumping guys off probation like candy, not sure what is going on, good news is you leave with a $75K type rating!
I know many people at NetJets who are doing just fine. You got fired cause you messed up. You got fired from your previous gig too. I'm excited to see where you get let go from next. If you're going to spit fire, lay out all the facts.

MinRest
03-06-2020, 07:10 AM
NetJets has a union representing the pilot group correct? I see comments like this all the time where pilots get abused and beaten at NetJets only to get fired when they collapse from exhaustion. So, what purpose does the union serve??? A small amount of critical thinking would make anyone suspect of posts like that.

The union cannot save you during probation (just like every union aviation job). From a pilot advocate standpoint, NJASAP is very good. They are there to help and protect you as needed and I think they do a good job in that regard. Just like any union job, it takes a long time to get rid of a problem child so if the company can dump you during probation because they think you are going to be a butthead for the next 40+ years there, they will get rid of you while it is easy.

BTW to answer your question about what purpose a union serves, it is to be the voice in negotiations for the pilot group. They fight for what the pilot group voices for during negotiations, and they are the open line of communication (hopefully) 247/365 between the pilot group and management. From a work rule, QOL, pay, contract etc. standpoint I think NJASAP fell way short with both the 2015 CBA and the IBI last year or year before. That being said, I think it had a 75% or higher approval rating so the union obviously represented the majority of the pilot groups wishes, which is what they're supposed to do.

shrsailplanes
03-06-2020, 08:06 AM
The union cannot save you during probation (just like every union aviation job). From a pilot advocate standpoint, NJASAP is very good. They are there to help and protect you as needed and I think they do a good job in that regard. Just like any union job, it takes a long time to get rid of a problem child so if the company can dump you during probation because they think you are going to be a butthead for the next 40+ years there, they will get rid of you while it is easy.

BTW to answer your question about what purpose a union serves, it is to be the voice in negotiations for the pilot group. They fight for what the pilot group voices for during negotiations, and they are the open line of communication (hopefully) 247/365 between the pilot group and management. From a work rule, QOL, pay, contract etc. standpoint I think NJASAP fell way short with both the 2015 CBA and the IBI last year or year before. That being said, I think it had a 75% or higher approval rating so the union obviously represented the majority of the pilot groups wishes, which is what they're supposed to do.

be that as it may, a pilot on probation is still subject to the same work rules and protections as a 30 year pilot. Yes? So, this idea that somehow the first year is boot camp where you get the crap beat out of you and then fired before your probation is up doesnít make a lot of sense.

MinRest
03-06-2020, 08:36 AM
be that as it may, a pilot on probation is still subject to the same work rules and protections as a 30 year pilot. Yes? So, this idea that somehow the first year is boot camp where you get the crap beat out of you and then fired before your probation is up doesnít make a lot of sense.


I dont think anyone ever said that.

In fact the long time NJA pilots arguing for new hires to never call in sick or call in fatigued would lend its self to the idea that the company will come after you if you if you do and possibly fire you during probation.

A probationary pilot is expected to adhere to the policies and procedures like any pilot. However, ďat willĒ employment gives the company the right to fire you for any reason what so ever and the union will have little to no involvement. There is no pilot review board and there is no appeal process.

shrsailplanes
03-06-2020, 08:54 AM
I dont think anyone ever said that.

In fact the long time NJA pilots arguing for new hires to never call in sick or call in fatigued would lend its self to the idea that the company will come after you if you if you do and possibly fire you during probation.

A probationary pilot is expected to adhere to the policies and procedures like any pilot. However, ďat willĒ employment gives the company the right to fire you for any reason what so ever and the union will have little to no involvement. There is no pilot review board and there is no appeal process.

I see posts all over that you get min rested days on end and then when you call in fatigued you get fired. Either Netjets is a hell-hole to work for despite the union or something is up with the stories that get posted on here.

I work for a company with no union at all and I get treated great. No complaints. So, these stories must be stretching reality I would think.

Flyfalcons
03-06-2020, 09:01 AM
That is correct, they are.

MinRest
03-06-2020, 09:09 AM
I see posts all over that you get min rested days on end and then when you call in fatigued you get fired. Either Netjets is a hell-hole to work for despite the union or something is up with the stories that get posted on here.

I work for a company with no union at all and I get treated great. No complaints. So, these stories must be stretching reality I would think.

I did not like working for NJA at all for many reasons, including the way you are worked when you are on the road. That being said, I do not remember a single instance where somebody was worked hard, called fatigued, then was fired. I will bash NJA for lots of reasons but fair is fair, the company won't fire you for a fatigue call. NJA as a whole is not looking to fire you, whether you are on probation or not. Guard is an extreme example, and in the extreme minority. Not only did he set off red flags during probation, he lit the flags on fire. There was no way somebody like him was going to make it through probation.

InformationMike
03-06-2020, 06:03 PM
Wow it didn't take long for the same cast of characters to make a mess of this thread too. Do you realize how annoying it is to have to read through pages of bickering to find the real info? I've worked for plenty of shady operations, flying and otherwise, but man...find a hobby and stop making your life miserable with a memory.


Update:

I sent my app in for a third time to get around any chance of being weeded out by a glitch. No response yet, but applying elsewhere. At this point the confusion around the mins has faded my excitement about NetJets.

RemiDenton
03-06-2020, 11:31 PM
Wow it didn't take long for the same cast of characters to make a mess of this thread too. Do you realize how annoying it is to have to read through pages of bickering to find the real info? I've worked for plenty of shady operations, flying and otherwise, but man...find a hobby and stop making your life miserable with a memory.


You mean like with posts like this? The irony here is great.



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Egliderjet
03-07-2020, 03:12 AM
Wow it didn't take long for the same cast of characters to make a mess of this thread too. Do you realize how annoying it is to have to read through pages of bickering to find the real info? I've worked for plenty of shady operations, flying and otherwise, but man...find a hobby and stop making your life miserable with a memory.





Update:



I sent my app in for a third time to get around any chance of being weeded out by a glitch. No response yet, but applying elsewhere. At this point the confusion around the mins has faded my excitement about NetJets.



Confusion? The mins are there. Just because you have them doesnít mean you will get an interview/phone call. If you have Netjets mins, you have had the mins for most big airlines for months/years, did they call? Sorry you havenít gotten called, but if you havenít you need to change something on your resume (take a management class, take a service class, volunteer, etc...) to make yours self get called.


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InformationMike
03-07-2020, 06:28 AM
Confusion? The mins are there. Just because you have them doesnít mean you will get an interview/phone call. If you have Netjets mins, you have had the mins for most big airlines for months/years, did they call? Sorry you havenít gotten called, but if you havenít you need to change something on your resume (take a management class, take a service class, volunteer, etc...) to make yours self get called.


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Well a quick automated decline would indicate something systemic. Including some posts on here indicating internal understandings that pilots would have to delete and reapply for the new mins.

Not whining, just trying to share my experience and get understanding. If thereís a silly programming hurdle, Iím going to try to get around it.


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InformationMike
03-07-2020, 06:31 AM
You mean like with posts like this?



Valid point. I apologize for my hypocrisy.

InformationMike
03-07-2020, 06:39 AM
Confusion?


Yes website vs. internal communications.

This is not a ďpoor meĒ post. Iím just making sure I wasnít passed over due to a programming technicality.

That said, anyone applying from here forward need not be concerned since the website was updated.

/thread.