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aquagreen73s
03-20-2020, 01:28 PM
With CPZ shutting April 7th, does anybody at Envoy have info as to who will pick up the flying, or whether it will be picked up at all?


pitchattitude
03-20-2020, 01:51 PM
With CPZ shutting April 7th, does anybody at Envoy have info as to who will pick up the flying, or whether it will be picked up at all?
Nothing has been said about Envoy picking any of it up. The lines were already out prior to the announcement and there havenít been any changes.

Likely capacity is just cut and SKW is covering what they already had. Maybe they have had some shifts. I havenít checked their forum and donít know any SKW guys that fly AA stuff out of LAX.

smtx123
03-20-2020, 04:20 PM
With CPZ shutting April 7th, does anybody at Envoy have info as to who will pick up the flying, or whether it will be picked up at all?

I doubt anyone knows whatís gonna happen, CPZ is still in the travel planner doing LAX stuff in April and through the year.


stillcantfly
03-21-2020, 10:37 AM
I doubt anyone knows whatís gonna happen, CPZ is still in the travel planner doing LAX stuff in April and through the year.

id guess sky everywhere will....

Ijustlikeflying
03-21-2020, 11:10 AM
id guess sky everywhere will....

AA wants two regionals in every base.not saying we are headed there but someone else eventually will pop up there.

Av8rPHX
03-21-2020, 11:14 AM
MESA


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blackbox348
05-05-2020, 07:47 AM
Any idea what will happen out in LAX? I know Skywest ordered those 20 175s, but is now planning to shrink. With the compass planes coming to ENY is LAX a possibility? If you look at the travel planner for the fall many of those flights are still or are exclusively ďoperated by compass airlinesĒ.

FUPMEagle
05-05-2020, 07:53 AM
With CPZ shutting April 7th, does anybody at Envoy have info as to who will pick up the flying, or whether it will be picked up at all?
Lol, with the current environment AA isn't going to spend the money to put anyone out there. If anything they are looking to cut in more areas. NY and MIA will likely close like last bankruptcy.

But seriously
05-05-2020, 10:28 AM
Lol, with the current environment AA isn't going to spend the money to put anyone out there. If anything they are looking to cut in more areas. NY and MIA will likely close like last bankruptcy.


While I agree with you that they wonít invest in a new base right now, I doubt they are going to be closing bases in the near future (next few months). It would trigger a cascade of displacements and training events that they could probably live without right now.

A proactive stance might displace and train everyone now since they donít really need us on the line anyway, but I think management is in penny pinching mode, not proactive mode.

ClappedOut145
05-05-2020, 10:57 AM
I think Envoy needs to figure out when to have an aircraft displacement bid. 22 140's aren't coming back from the desert and 20 Compass planes along with 11 new-builds are coming in the next year. Seems like the instructors being displaced back to the line won't be there for long, especially the ones who are on the heavy. In order to staff them, they are going to have to make a move in the next couple of months. Deliveries from Embraer start again in the 4th quarter, according to the email last week.

LAX might see fly through if AA opts to keep it as a Trans-Pac gateway, but opening a full base would be pretty expensive. In addition to pilots, you also need flight attendants, as well as mechanics and spare parts.

Av8rPHX
05-05-2020, 12:27 PM
Any idea what will happen out in LAX? I know Skywest ordered those 20 175s, but is now planning to shrink. With the compass planes coming to ENY is LAX a possibility? If you look at the travel planner for the fall many of those flights are still or are exclusively ďoperated by compass airlinesĒ.


Compass is coming back. A friend of a friend of my neighbors gynecologist said they just hired a Chief Pilot for LAX


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TheOtherGuy25
05-05-2020, 01:14 PM
LAX might see fly through if AA opts to keep it as a Trans-Pac gateway, but opening a full base would be pretty expensive. In addition to pilots, you also need flight attendants, as well as mechanics and spare parts.

All of which OO has at LAX right now. I suspect once things eventually improve a little youíll see SkyWest jump in to fill the old Compass flying. Whoever ends up doing it whenever it may be, it will just be nice to see the Eagles nest operational again in LA

FUPMEagle
05-05-2020, 01:19 PM
While I agree with you that they wonít invest in a new base right now, I doubt they are going to be closing bases in the near future (next few months). It would trigger a cascade of displacements and training events that they could probably live without right now.

A proactive stance might displace and train everyone now since they donít really need us on the line anyway, but I think management is in penny pinching mode, not proactive mode.

You're right, it'll be in October/November after the payroll protection and bailout ends. That's when the furlough and base closures will begin.

pitchattitude
05-05-2020, 01:48 PM
Compass is coming back. A friend of a friend of my neighbors gynecologist said they just hired a Chief Pilot for LAX


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But that guy that was hired to be the LAX CP is at Envoy. You can never trust a neighbor to understand that we work for Envoy and not AA. I mean THKoolAid doesnít even know the difference.

THKooj
05-05-2020, 03:26 PM
These ex CPZ birds WILL fly into LA one way or the other. It might be fly through initially but I fully expect a base at some point after the crisis passes and bookings are on an upward trend. LA is far too valuable for AA to walk away from and to have their #1 feed provider doing the flying is going to happen.

CLE to IAH
05-05-2020, 04:51 PM
These ex CPZ birds WILL fly into LA one way or the other. It might be fly through initially but I fully expect a base at some point after the crisis passes and bookings are on an upward trend. LA is far too valuable for AA to walk away from and to have their #1 feed provider doing the flying is going to happen.

I just read what this moron posts and interpret it as the exact opposite.

itís worked so far.

Cyio
05-05-2020, 05:03 PM
I just read what this moron posts and interpret it as the exact opposite.

itís worked so far.
Same. Works like a charm really.

Tyrion
05-05-2020, 10:20 PM
LA flying will most likely be done by Skywest as AAG will continue to outsource when able to save a dime. Mesa will stay in the area for whipsaw purposes to keep Skywest in check. Envoy will be around for filler, but the probability of Envoy opening a base in LA is significantly lower than the probability of THKooj getting a lengthy furlough.

Cyio
05-06-2020, 06:35 AM
LA flying will most likely be done by Skywest as AAG will continue to outsource when able to save a dime. Mesa will stay in the area for whipsaw purposes to keep Skywest in check. Envoy will be around for filler, but the probability of Envoy opening a base in LA is significantly lower than the probability of THKooj getting a lengthy furlough.
The LAX thing is like an urban legend and has been circulating around almost as soon as the base closed the first time. I can remember on day two of indoc many moons ago RW coming in and saying LAX was right around the corner.