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butterwm
03-23-2020, 07:13 AM
I had my trip I was supposed to start today cancel and noop. I got the notification and acknowledged. When I go into my time card the entire trip is gone and the hours are gone from my pay as well. Is this something they will add back in a day or two? (I assume we are still pay protected with noop). Also, with the 23K recovery obligation can I pick up a green slip if offered and does that meet the criteria for recovery obligation?


waldo135
03-23-2020, 08:05 AM
I had my trip I was supposed to start today cancel and noop. I got the notification and acknowledged. When I go into my time card the entire trip is gone and the hours are gone from my pay as well. Is this something they will add back in a day or two? (I assume we are still pay protected with noop). Also, with the 23K recovery obligation can I pick up a green slip if offered and does that meet the criteria for recovery obligation?
Not completely sure about the GS question, but there are VERY few going out right now. As far as the disappearing time, give it a day or so. It has happened to me twice this month, but self-corrected within a day or so.

sailingfun
03-23-2020, 08:11 AM
I had my trip I was supposed to start today cancel and noop. I got the notification and acknowledged. When I go into my time card the entire trip is gone and the hours are gone from my pay as well. Is this something they will add back in a day or two? (I assume we are still pay protected with noop). Also, with the 23K recovery obligation can I pick up a green slip if offered and does that meet the criteria for recovery obligation?

The trip will come back in a few days. They are swamped. Since they failed to put 23k in your schedule you can WS or GS at will. If the 23k shows up you can’t WS or GS until your 6 hour obligation has ended.


Flying Monkey
03-23-2020, 08:36 AM
My 885-day trip for Thursday just got nooped. The trip I just got done with of course had multiple cancellations and reroutes. It’s got to be overwhelming to sort out.

butterwm
03-23-2020, 11:14 AM
So now I am trying to figure out if this is a legal 23k recovery assignment. Original trip:

Day 1: ATL-ECP
Day 2: ECP-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 3: 30 Hour Layover
Day 4: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL

After they noop’d the trip, they put it back into open time as follows:

Day 1: ATL-MKE, MKE-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 2: 30 Hour Layover
Day 3: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL

Esentinally it is the same trip from day 2 on except they added flying to it with the MKE turn. I know it isn’t legal to reroute someone before a trip starts by adding flying. However, after they noop’d the trip they assigned it back to me as recovery flying. Does that pass the sanity check or is that a creative way of doing what they are not allowed to do?

tunes
03-23-2020, 11:18 AM
So now I am trying to figure out if this is a legal 23k recovery assignment. Original trip:

Day 1: ATL-ECP
Day 2: ECP-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 3: 30 Hour Layover
Day 4: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL

After they noop’d the trip, they put it back into open time as follows:

Day 1: ATL-MKE, MKE-ATL, ATL-TUL
Day 2: 30 Hour Layover
Day 3: TUL-ATL, ATL-RIC, RIC-ATL

Esentinally it is the same trip from day 2 on except they added flying to it with the MKE turn. I know it isn’t legal to reroute someone before a trip starts by adding flying. However, after they noop’d the trip they assigned it back to me as recovery flying. Does that pass the sanity check or is that a creative way of doing what they are not allowed to do?
depending on sign in time, and when it was assigned to you thats a legal 23k recovery trip.

butterwm
03-23-2020, 11:28 AM
I guess I am trying to understand why they cancelled the trip to begin with if days 2-4 were still in tact. It feels like they cancelled the trip to add on flying and then turned around and reassigned it right back to me. Shouldn’t the trip have been kept in tact versus noop’d and the MKE turn covered by a separate white or green slip?

sailingfun
03-23-2020, 11:51 AM
I guess I am trying to understand why they cancelled the trip to begin with if days 2-4 were still in tact. It feels like they cancelled the trip to add on flying and then turned around and reassigned it right back to me. Shouldn’t the trip have been kept in tact versus noop’d and the MKE turn covered by a separate white or green slip?

No, they did it this way to keep you legal for the trip. It would not have been a legal reroute but is legal via 23k. Lowest cost option for them to handle the change and is contractually legal.

3 green
03-23-2020, 11:58 AM
Does 23k recovery flying get assigned based on seniority? I'm talking about just the pilots on possible 23k recovery, and if so, how is that tracked to verify it is done correctly?

Kjazz130
03-23-2020, 12:29 PM
Does 23k recovery flying get assigned based on seniority? I'm talking about just the pilots on possible 23k recovery, and if so, how is that tracked to verify it is done correctly?

I don’t think it has to do with seniority it has to do with your recovery window and the footprint of your original trip. They are constrained by report/release and length.

Lou Reed
03-23-2020, 01:29 PM
Everything else being the same, is the company more likely to assign flying to a RSV or 23k pilot?

DWC CAP10 USAF
03-23-2020, 03:32 PM
Everything else being the same, is the company more likely to assign flying to a RSV or 23k pilot?

23N/O Coverage Ladders

Rec Slips (23.J) and Recovery flying (23.K), then WS, then LC RES

konabear
03-23-2020, 04:19 PM
Quick question.
My original rotation, a 3-day scheduled to depart on the 24th, got noop’d yesterday. I put in a recovery slip in for a 2-day trip, also departing on the 24th, and got it. Now, the second rotation has been noop’d. The comment section of the second rotation says the crew has been released to scheduling for possible 23k recovery flying. This is my first time dealing with 23K. I tried to read and understand the PWA and the way I understand if I am assigned a third trip I should get paid for my 3-day plus whatever trip I’m assigned. Am I interpreting the PWA correctly?

sailingfun
03-23-2020, 04:21 PM
Quick question.
My original rotation, a 3-day scheduled to depart on the 24th, got noop’d yesterday. I put in a recovery slip in for a 2-day trip, also departing on the 24th, and got it. Now, the second rotation has been noop’d. The comment section of the second rotation says the crew has been released to scheduling for possible 23k recovery flying. This is my first time dealing with 23K. I tried to read and understand the PWA and the way I understand if I am assigned a third trip I should get paid for my 3-day plus whatever trip I’m assigned. Am I interpreting the PWA correctly?

You should not have a 23k obligation at this point so should not be given anything. You are free to WS or GS.

konabear
03-27-2020, 07:47 AM
You should not have a 23k obligation at this point so should not be given anything. You are free to WS or GS.
Thank you. Ended up with the 3 days off. My next trip starting Monday is also a recovery trip. It originally had two legs on day one, 46-hour SJD layover, DH home on day three. The leg to SJD has been cancelled.
My question is...after the first leg on Monday am I subject to being used Tuesday and Wednesday? My original trip was only a 2-day.

hockeypilot44
03-27-2020, 01:10 PM
The trip will come back in a few days. They are swamped. Since they failed to put 23k in your schedule you can WS or GS at will. If the 23k shows up you can’t WS or GS until your 6 hour obligation has ended.

If you white slip over the no op, do you get paid for both?

DWC CAP10 USAF
03-28-2020, 05:08 AM
If you white slip over the no op, do you get paid for both?

Yes

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