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Al Czervik
03-26-2020, 03:16 PM
Not bad!!!!!


daOldMan
03-26-2020, 03:17 PM
Not bad!!!!!

Where was that posted? Haven't seen it yet.

DarinFred
03-26-2020, 03:21 PM
Well, I’ll be darned. There’s less greedy bastards than I thought. Thanks to those who applied and happy retirement!


R57 relay
03-26-2020, 03:21 PM
Not bad!!!!!


That can't be right. They are all greedy...

121PyLut
03-26-2020, 04:06 PM
Where was that posted? Haven't seen it yet.
Union e-mail from the negotiating committee.

texaspilot76
03-26-2020, 07:49 PM
Disregard ....... found the answer

UpUpUpNaWaYs
03-27-2020, 12:53 AM
That’s great news. Any idea if post 9/11 the company had several Furlough actions or did it just happen with one great ax. Just curious how aggressive they are or if they do it in phases to wait and assess months apart.

sumwherelse
03-27-2020, 02:55 AM
That’s great news. Any idea if post 9/11 the company had several Furlough actions or did it just happen with one great ax. Just curious how aggressive they are or if they do it in phases to wait and assess months apart.

Apples and oranges. Two completely different situations. To use the actions of a different company (AMR not AAG) at a different time for a different situation wouldn’t be prudent.

texaspilot76
03-27-2020, 06:07 AM
When will the early retirement awards be posted? Same time as the other leaves on the 30th?

AllYourBaseAreB
03-27-2020, 06:13 AM
Later today

TallFlyer
03-27-2020, 09:12 AM
This is age 64+ right? Weren’t they going to open up to 62+ or 63+ depending on how many they were looking for?


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Systemized
03-27-2020, 09:17 AM
The 620 is all pilots 62+

Dolphinflyer
03-27-2020, 09:31 AM
Well, I’ll be darned. There’s less greedy bastards than I thought. Thanks to those who applied and happy retirement!

An apology for your previous comments towards your fellow pilots (unless you're some fat virtual airline teen in your parents basement) probably would have gone a long way, but you didn't. You were wrong. Your original sniveling post is below.

"I bet they get less than 150. These people are the ones who have never been furloughed and are reaping the benefits of the change in retirement age. They’ve had relatively stellar careers. They’re a greedy bunch."

Buzzlightyear
03-27-2020, 11:12 AM
Some people value their opinion more highly than they should.

Pilot X
03-27-2020, 11:26 AM
The retirement letters are outVPLOA Award Notification

Per your confirmed bid on the APA portal, you have been awarded a Voluntary Permanent Leave of Absence (VPLOA) as designated in LOA 20-001 – Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) (https://aapilots.aa.com/uploads/temp/26525.pdf). Your award is effective Wednesday April 1, 2020 (x-apple-data-detectors://0), and you are released from all obligations beginning on or after that date. You are obligated to complete any carryover trips from March. Any credit from carryover trips will be paid above your guarantee for April 2020. Future vacation credit will be banked and paid at your retirement date or vacation bank payout in 2021, whichever is earlier.



A link to the full award will be posted to AAPilots later today. We thank you for your service and dedication to American Airlines!



Kipp Stoneman

Director, Crew Manpower Planning
[email protected]

Pilot X
03-27-2020, 11:34 AM
Not my letter though, I was 20+ years shy of this bid.

Al Czervik
03-27-2020, 11:51 AM
List is up on AA PILOTS

DarinFred
03-27-2020, 12:17 PM
An apology for your previous comments towards your fellow pilots (unless you're some fat virtual airline teen in your parents basement) probably would have gone a long way, but you didn't. You were wrong. Your original sniveling post is below.

"I bet they get less than 150. These people are the ones who have never been furloughed and are reaping the benefits of the change in retirement age. They’ve had relatively stellar careers. They’re a greedy bunch."

Yeah, my original statement still isn’t wrong.

jdflyer1999
03-27-2020, 12:25 PM
Quick count of the list, manually, 634 people awarded Permeant leave.

598 line pilots
36 CKA & MX pilots

C5Drvr
03-27-2020, 02:01 PM
I tied, but they wouldn’t award it to me with 15000+ number. Would have been a great 20 year run at 50hrs a month. Answer is no unless you ask.

Seriously though, a huge thank you to those that stepped away from what they love to do. I hope you get to enjoy more time with those you love. You have earned it.

FL450
03-27-2020, 02:18 PM
Quick count of the list, manually, 634 people awarded Permeant leave.

598 line pilots
36 CKA & MX pilots

I count 587 Line pilots 27 CKA and 2 Test pilots 🤷🏾‍♂️

texaspilot76
03-27-2020, 02:48 PM
Tons of CLT. Surprised more 757/ 767 didn’t take it. Figured many of them wouldn’t want to retrain.

BackintheLPA
03-27-2020, 02:54 PM
Total number of retirements including the VPLOAs, over the next 365.

VPLOA 2020 retirees 215
Remainder of 2020 retirees 365
Remainder of VPLOAs 401
Jan-Mar 2021 Retirees 194

Total 1175

Pilot X
03-27-2020, 03:11 PM
Total number of retirements including the VPLOAs, over the next 365.

VPLOA 2020 retirees 215
Remainder of 2020 retirees 365
Remainder of VPLOAs 401
Jan-Mar 2021 Retirees 194

Total 1175

slightly more than is scheduled for each year from 2022 thru 2026.....granted the the 2022 numbers may be
a little lower now.

Tranquility
03-27-2020, 04:12 PM
What was the pay guarantee for the early out for you guys?? Sorry, outsider of AA trying to gain perspective.

El Peso
03-27-2020, 04:31 PM
What was the pay guarantee for the early out for you guys?? Sorry, outsider of AA trying to gain perspective.

50 hrs/month, including 401k and profit sharing same as active pilots until 65th birthday. 40% of left over sick time paid into an HSA at retirement.

BackintheLPA
03-27-2020, 04:32 PM
50hrs/month
16% 401k match
employee health care plan at employee cost
40 cent on the dollar for sick bank hours, deposited into an HSA

until age 65

Tranquility
03-27-2020, 06:00 PM
Thank you for the replies! I wish you all the best as we weather this immense ****-storm....

Arado 234
03-27-2020, 06:07 PM
50hrs/month
16% 401k match
employee health care plan at employee cost
40 cent on the dollar for sick bank hours, deposited into an HSA

until age 65

Anyone looked at the total bill of the VPLOA?

Dobbs18
03-27-2020, 07:29 PM
Anyone looked at the total bill of the VPLOA?
hard to calculate without knowing each individual’s sick bank totals I would think...

Saabs
03-27-2020, 07:54 PM
Anyone looked at the total bill of the VPLOA?
how can you calculate it? Do you know how much their benefits like health care cost? Do you have access to that info? I don’t as an AA pilot.

ZeroTT
03-27-2020, 08:09 PM
600 pilots
figure 12 months average

500hrs + 16% = 575 hrs @ $300/hr

ballpark $200k/pilot

$0.1 billion roughly

Saabs
03-27-2020, 08:10 PM
600 pilots
figure 12 months average

500hrs + 16% = 575 hrs @ $300/hr

ballpark $200k/pilot

$0.1 billion roughly
pointless post. Didn’t include entire costs

RhinoBallAuto
03-28-2020, 05:13 AM
pointless post. Didn’t include entire costs

Don't we credit a lot more than 500? That's like a 42 hour month....

Battlinbear
03-28-2020, 06:33 AM
Thank you to all who accepted this offer and wish you all a wonderful and healthy retirement. I personally didn’t fly w anyone who took the leave, but seeing all the replies on FB and IG from fellow pilots was heartwarming. Nothing but massive respect to each one of you. During the next event that shakes the world I hope i’m in a position to help fellow pilots as much as you all did.
I know we still might be dropping the Fbomb, but this was one of the greatest things i’ve seen in my 13 year 121 career. Was a great evening sitting by the fire w Makers reading all the replies from everyone. Proud to be a AA pilot.

TallFlyer
03-28-2020, 07:19 AM
I count 587 Line pilots 27 CKA and 2 Test pilots [emoji2377]



They should all make a field trip to TUL, fire up as many 777s as it takes to carry them all, and take turns taxiing through a water cannon salute.


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Dobbs18
03-28-2020, 07:29 AM
They should all make a field trip to TUL, fire up as many 777s as it takes to carry them all, and take turns taxiing through a water cannon salute.


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i hope when the time is right the Union and company can come up with a nice way to give these guys/gals the proper send off and recognition they deserve!

tsimmns927
03-28-2020, 03:24 PM
Haven’t even started flight training, but one day hope to land with AA through a WO even the environment turns around. I’m 37, and hope to one day be in the same position as these guys if I ever need to take an early retirement. Best of luck to you guys and enjoy the retirement.

ZeroTT
03-29-2020, 03:57 AM
pointless post. Didn’t include entire costs

thanks for your helpful feedback

the hours alone come up to about $175k with 16% override. I rounded up to $200k each, to account for sick bank. That totals $120 million

unless the pilots retiring average much younger than 64.0 years or their average sick bank exceeds 1000 hours, my estimate of 0.1 billion total cost should hold.

A sick bank average of 1500 hours per pilot would net 600 hours ($180k) paid into HSA raising per pilot costs to about $350k and total costs to just over 0.2 billion

Al Czervik
03-29-2020, 07:36 AM
I think one of the guys on here made this. Very cool!

Pilot X
03-29-2020, 09:23 AM
I think one of the guys on here made this. Very cool!

it’s a good thing 50 more people didn’t take the early retirement

aa73
03-29-2020, 09:34 AM
I think one of the guys on here made this. Very cool!

that was me... found a nice logo pic and doctored it up. Feel free to share!

MOTOJOE
03-30-2020, 11:58 AM
How did the 62 yrs old work? Did you have to be 62 or older at LOA or 62 in 2020 to qualify? For early out.

PurpleTurtle
03-30-2020, 12:38 PM
How did the 62 yrs old work? Did you have to be 62 or older at LOA or 62 in 2020 to qualify? For early out.
62 as of April 1st 2020. Not a joke.

texaspilot76
03-30-2020, 01:32 PM
Ok, it’s evening. Where’s the list of leave approvals? I’m ready to get home and out of this crap for a month. Already sick of it. No pun intended.

texaspilot76
03-30-2020, 06:48 PM
So word is no leaves published today. Still working on it. So those of you with April 1 pairings having to plan whether to commute or stay home, you will have to guess whether you have been awarded the leave or not. What a bunch of crap.

wiz5422
03-30-2020, 11:04 PM
So word is no leaves published today. Still working on it. So those of you with April 1 pairings having to plan whether to commute or stay home, you will have to guess whether you have been awarded the leave or not. What a bunch of crap.
Sounds FATIGUING.

Arado 234
03-31-2020, 09:25 AM
So word is no leaves published today. Still working on it. So those of you with April 1 pairings having to plan whether to commute or stay home, you will have to guess whether you have been awarded the leave or not. What a bunch of crap.

Here's exactly what you have been waiting for!

​​​​​​VSTLOA/VELOA Award Update: Delayed
As of 11 a.m. CDT today, March 31, AA management has yet to publish a list of pilots who have been awarded VSTLOA or VELOA commencing April 1. APA has learned that management is still arguing internally regarding how many leaves to award.

Management provided distinct minimums for the month of April. APA has told management to at least start there and get this award done. Pilots await the outcome and need to make plans for the April contractual month – which starts tomorrow.

Our disappointment and frustration match yours. We will keep you posted throughout the day. Otherwise, we regrettably have no recommendations for you, other than to plan as if you have not been awarded a leave and prepare for any trip you may have tomorrow.

APA will publish the leave awards as soon as they are made available.

texaspilot76
03-31-2020, 09:57 AM
They have been non stop violating the contract and now this LOA. I understand these are unprecedented times, but they must follow the contract, if they need relief, then they need to engage the union in negotiation.

Arado 234
03-31-2020, 10:02 AM
They have been non stop violating the contract and now this LOA. I understand these are unprecedented times, but they must follow the contract, if they need relief, then they need to engage the union in negotiation.
​​​​​​
Even worse, why would you show any loyalty to a company that treats their employees like that?

This crisis exposes the number of douche-ba&&s at our management level.

Cogf16
03-31-2020, 01:00 PM
50 hrs/month, including 401k and profit sharing same as active pilots until 65th birthday. 40% of left over sick time paid into an HSA at retirement.
BK proof? Coming from a Delta guy(who has a brother at AA)

thrust
03-31-2020, 01:15 PM
BK proof? Coming from a Delta guy(who has a brother at AA)

Is anything really “BK proof”?

AB YZS
03-31-2020, 01:47 PM
AA Management decided not to award any paid Voluntary Short Term Leaves of Absence (VSTLOA) or unpaid Voluntary Extended Leaves of Absence (VELOA) for any 737 or 320 bid status for the month of April. Good news? Seems like a lot of pay to sit at home because of cancelled trips. I have no idea. Thoughts?

Dobbs18
03-31-2020, 01:58 PM
Management decided not to award any paid Voluntary Short Term Leaves of Absence (VSTLOA) or unpaid Voluntary Extended Leaves of Absence (VELOA) for any 737 or 320 bid status for the month of April.
yeah, WTF is that about?? Thousands and thousands of people are willing to step up and alleviate some of the financial pressure on the company, and THEY ASKED US to do this by the way, and they can't get their $hit together. what a joke...just makes me think they want everyone on payroll to burn through the money faster.

Arado 234
03-31-2020, 02:07 PM
yeah, WTF is that about?? Thousands and thousands of people are willing to step up and alleviate some of the financial pressure on the company, and THEY ASKED US to do this by the way, and they can't get their $hit together. what a joke...just makes me think they want everyone on payroll to burn through the money faster.

So I guess all line holders that lost their trips are eligible for RO! Sweet! 10 hour call out!

I wonder, can the company leave everybody on payroll and lower the min line value to e.g. 35 hours? Can they do that?

thrust
03-31-2020, 02:12 PM
So I guess all line holders that lost their trips are eligible for RO! Sweet! 10 hour call out!

I wonder, can the company leave everybody on payroll and lower the min line value to e.g. 35 hours? Can they do that?

No.

Minimum ALV is 72. +/-7 hours from that defines the “Line Construction Window”. So the lowest they could go is 72-7=65 hours for awarded lines. LCR/SCR is still 73/76 min guarantee.

Much like our friends at Delta, it would appear that AA pilots lost any bit of goodwill towards mgmt with this VSTLOA shadiness.

Dobbs18
03-31-2020, 07:06 PM
No.

Minimum ALV is 72. +/-7 hours from that defines the “Line Construction Window”. So the lowest they could go is 72-7=65 hours for awarded lines. LCR/SCR is still 73/76 min guarantee.

Much like our friends at Delta, it would appear that AA pilots lost any bit of goodwill towards mgmt with this VSTLOA shadiness.
i made the same Delta reference on another thread and was promptly told it was Delta union bashing their FAs...that maybe true, but it still is a big pile of horse**** thrown at both pilot groups. what is our management’s excuse? And to think 2 days ago I was telling my Delta friends how well it seemed our group and the company were working on this together. Looks like “together” is only reserved for those who sit up front once the cockpit door closes.

El Peso
03-31-2020, 07:18 PM
BK proof? Coming from a Delta guy(who has a brother at AA)

it’s part of the CBA so any changes would have be made by a bankruptcy judge.