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casual observer
03-27-2020, 09:17 AM
Throwing this out there for discussion.

It seems like one of the first observable signs of infection is a temperature. The biggest risk to crews and passengers is pilots contracting the virus from the other pilots, flight attendants contracting from passengers and passengers contracting from other passengers.

Wouldn't be perfect, but what about using one of those touch free thermometers to check everyone about to board the airplane?

If a passenger, pilot or flight attendant has a temperature, they would be denied boarding.

Would give everyone one more level of confidence.


53x11
03-27-2020, 09:20 AM
I asked something similar on skynet. I asked about requiring crew members to get temp checked upon check in. Said the logistics would be too challenging as a lot donít check in on Ops pcís. They figured out how to do it for anyone going into HQ

casual observer
03-27-2020, 09:24 AM
I asked something similar on skynet. I asked about requiring crew members to get temp checked upon check in. Said the logistics would be too challenging as a lot donít check in on Ops pcís. They figured out how to do it for anyone going into HQ

I get that, but the better decision point is at the gate.

How hard would it be for every gate agent to have a touch free thermometer?

You could screen everyone that would be on that airplane.


Jaww
03-27-2020, 09:31 AM
I get that, but the better decision point is at the gate.

How hard would it be for every gate agent to have a touch free thermometer?

You could screen everyone that would be on that airplane.

Same thing was being done on cruises before they shut down. Not hard.

cornbeef007
03-27-2020, 09:40 AM
I get that, but the better decision point is at the gate.

How hard would it be for every gate agent to have a touch free thermometer?

You could screen everyone that would be on that airplane.

Because of money...It isnít Deltas job to contain this and management knows it.

1) Denied boarding is lost revenue and will create a level of ill will from the customers stand point later on. Especially if itís a false positive.

2) False positives will occur and with re-crewing, delays will occur.

3) Pilots and flight attendants are a dime a dozen because of the schedule reduction. Replacing a sick us would be easy....the folks in HQ, not so much.

4) Taking temperatures requires someone to do that and deal with a resultant high temperature. That equals payroll. The equipment also costs money.

I like the idea, donít get me wrong, but see it like a bean counter. No matter what people think, the Delta family mantra is about money, not you or I.

casual observer
03-27-2020, 09:45 AM
Because of money...It isnít Deltas job to contain this and management knows it.

1) Denied boarding is lost revenue and will create a level of ill will from the customers stand point later on. Especially if itís a false positive.

2) False positives will occur and with re-crewing, delays will occur.

3) Pilots and flight attendants are a dime a dozen because of the schedule reduction. Replacing a sick us would be easy....the folks in HQ, not so much.

4) Taking temperatures requires someone to do that and deal with a resultant high temperature. That equals payroll. The equipment also costs money.

You have to see it like a bean counter.

I understand that. My question is: would we want that? Would we, the pilot group, want to know that the other pilot sharing the cockpit with us, the flight attendants and the passengers have been screened for high temperature?

If we decided that it would be significantly beneficial, we could make it happen.

The question is: would that be something worthwhile in terms of crew and passenger confidence and spread mitigation?

Or would it be more trouble than it's worth? I'm open to either argument.

notEnuf
03-27-2020, 10:20 AM
Yes, temperature checks. Anyone found with a temperature is considered a sick leave abuser because they refused to use their sick leave and endangered us all. Time is taken from their sick leave bank and used to compensate the rest of the crew. They are sent home unpaid for their attempt to ruin the Delta brand and damage the goodwill of the company.

Banzai
03-27-2020, 10:40 AM
I would like a count of sick crew from the company. Iím sure they know.

We need data for risk assessment.

Jaww
03-27-2020, 10:51 AM
I would like a count of sick crew from the company. Iím sure they know.

We need data for risk assessment.

Bless your heart. :D

WidgetPlanes
03-27-2020, 11:00 AM
I saw a flyer several days ago asking for volunteers from ACS employees to wear protective gear and use an infrared thermometer to monitor pax temperatures in ďhigh volume areasĒ. Sounds like D is already working on this.

casual observer
03-27-2020, 11:13 AM
I saw a flyer several days ago asking for volunteers from ACS employees to wear protective gear and use an infrared thermometer to monitor pax temperatures in ďhigh volume areasĒ. Sounds like D is already working on this.

Thanks. I also heard there was a message put out on this. I will try to get the link and post it.

Here's the link from workplace (around minute 4 Patrick Burns): https://deltaairlines.workplace.com/groups/GroupFlightOperationsNews/permalink/998944967168780/ (https://deltaairlines.workplace.com/groups/GroupFlightOperationsNews/permalink/998944967168780/?hc_location=ufi)

PropPiedmont
03-27-2020, 12:07 PM
The FAA wants us to take our temperature twice per day, while working.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/safo/all_safos/media/2020/SAFO20003.pdf

Banzai
03-27-2020, 12:24 PM
The FAA wants us to take our temperature twice per day, while working.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/safo/all_safos/media/2020/SAFO20003.pdf
That's all stuff the FAA recommends. What are the odds that Delta will do any of that?

I read an AA FA died the other day awaiting test results.

Buck Rogers
03-27-2020, 12:46 PM
That's all stuff the FAA recommends. What are the odds that Delta will do any of that?

I read an AA FA died the other day awaiting test results.
I don't doubt that. However with 100,000 + pilots/ FA's, 1 dying in the past month is not unlikely. 9 out of 10 test results are negative. She(he) could have had a fever from an appendicitis. Who knows?

Please follow up if you get some follow on facts.

DelDah Capt
03-27-2020, 12:54 PM
Unfortunately, it's true about the AA Flight Attendant

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/flight-attendant-coronavirus-death/index.html

Viking busdvr
03-27-2020, 12:58 PM
Unfortunately, it's true about the AA Flight Attendant

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/flight-attendant-coronavirus-death/index.html

Its CNN.... Did they say earlier that a Russian oligarch who was trying to influence our election killed her cause.... Orange man bad???

DelDah Capt
03-27-2020, 01:04 PM
Its CNN.... Did they say earlier that a Russian oligarch who was trying to influence our election killed her cause.... Orange man bad???
https://www.foxnews.com/travel/coronavirus-american-airlines-flight-attendant-dies-positive-test

There, this link is from Fox. Unfortunately, the FA is still dead, but you got a good political jab in there at his expense. Good for you

As Briefed
03-27-2020, 01:15 PM
All week Iíve been hitting the passengers on the back of the neck with my IR temp gun as they board.

Buck Rogers
03-27-2020, 01:22 PM
Unfortunately, it's true about the AA Flight Attendant

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/us/flight-attendant-coronavirus-death/index.html
So sad, sounds like a great guy and truly respected by his peers

edited after seeing follow up post

deltabound
03-27-2020, 01:51 PM
The FAA wants us to take our temperature twice per day, while working.

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/aviation_industry/airline_operators/airline_safety/safo/all_safos/media/2020/SAFO20003.pdf


Great memo!

Love the idea of mandatory temp checks of flight crews. Hereís why it wonít happen:

1. In this context, this private medical information. Iíd think that the company would have a difficult time compelling a flight crew to submit to a medical evaluation/measurement, especially if not rendered by trained medical person.

2. Good luck finding the instant infrared thermometers in sufficient quantities to sample a meaningful number of crews. Theyíre all sold out for months, at least.

Still, great memo from the FAA. I happen to carry my own infrared thermometer around since this started happening, and check my temp a couple times a day. Thereís no way in hell I would EVER approach a crew member and ask to take their temp; itís border line harassment to even ask other crew members if theyíd like to borrow it to check their own temp.

Checking temps makes perfect sense. It will take years of lobbying Congress and probably court challenges to make it happen. Which is crazy. Welcome to the Pandemic. Itís warm in here.

PurpleToolBox
03-27-2020, 02:04 PM
In China, everywhere you go you get your temperature taken. Hotels won't let you inside until your temperature checks at the door, and then they recheck you before they speak to you at the counter. In airports, they're checking temperatures. At one point they had temporary stalls setup where they were disinfecting people -- not sure how I feel about that. I have the pictures but don't know how to upload to APC.

At FedEx, we've been required to check our temperatures twice daily and the company checks in via email with 5 statements ... "Yes, i've been checking my temperature twice daily and have no fever or other symptoms. No, I haven't been checking and I have no other symptoms. Yes, and I have a low grade fever. Yes, and I have a dry cough. ... etc.etc."

C5Drvr
03-27-2020, 02:32 PM
JAL requires their crews to take a breathalyzer before operating and every 6 hours until crew rest (yes in flight). It has to be witnessed and sent to Ops. If they can do it something that onerous, a quick non contact thermometer scan is certainly doable. Itís a matter of cost/benefit analysis by the bean counters. Evidently itís not worth the cost to them.

Gunfighter
03-27-2020, 03:10 PM
We can employ the concept of personal responsibility and take our own temp, then call in sick with a fever. We don't have to rely on a government mandated program for everything. It will take a while to get thermal scanners at enough appropriate checkpoints, but I'm sure they are coming. Customs and immigration will be the first place you see them, because it won't interfere with airline revenue if you check passengers after the flight.

C5Drvr
03-27-2020, 05:30 PM
We can employ the concept of personal responsibility and take our own temp, then call in sick with a fever. We don't have to rely on a government mandated program for everything. It will take a while to get thermal scanners at enough appropriate checkpoints, but I'm sure they are coming. Customs and immigration will be the first place you see them, because it won't interfere with airline revenue if you check passengers after the flight.


If only we were all so responsible, they wouldnít be needed anywhere. But people are selfish, including pilots, and will continue to fly sick.

Turbo1
03-27-2020, 06:08 PM
I want my temperature taken like my mama did when I was a babyÖ

Jaww
03-27-2020, 06:09 PM
I want my temperature taken like my mama did when I was a babyÖ

There truly is a fetish for everything.

GogglesPisano
03-27-2020, 06:23 PM
There truly is a fetish for everything.

Probably a category on Pornhub for that.

CoefficientX
03-28-2020, 03:09 AM
I want my temperature taken like my mama did when I was a babyÖ

I think youíre on to something. They say rectal temp is the most accurate way to measure body temp.

I would think the guys in tech ops could retrofit the jets with rectal temp probes hard wired into the master caution/warning systems. Update the preflight and shutdown checklists along with the QRH and we are good to go.

Jaww
03-28-2020, 03:41 AM
I think youíre on to something. They say rectal temp is the most accurate way to measure body temp.

I would think the guys in tech ops could retrofit the jets with rectal temp probes hard wired into the master caution/warning systems. Update the preflight and shutdown checklists along with the QRH and we are good to go.

They probably would be unable to get us wipes for that too.
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badflaps
03-28-2020, 07:01 AM
Speaking of ***holes, I'm getting feedback that Delta abandoned passengers on at least one island. UAL came to their rescue as well as some Canadian carriers. Anybody hear anything like that?

Turbo1
03-28-2020, 07:56 AM
It was Fantasy Island. They left Mr. Rourke and tattoo behind ....

Grapple
03-28-2020, 08:34 AM
In Japan Int'l passengers and crew arrive at customs through "gates" that have a worker monitoring an infrared camera. If someone lights it up they are stopped before entry.

They also have disinfectant soaked mats that everyone walks through to kill shoe crud brought in.

The infrared camera screening could be used at all US security checkpoints and anyone with a fever denied entry.

flyallnite
03-28-2020, 10:44 AM
In Japan Int'l passengers and crew arrive at customs through "gates" that have a worker monitoring an infrared camera. If someone lights it up they are stopped before entry.

They also have disinfectant soaked mats that everyone walks through to kill shoe crud brought in.

The infrared camera screening could be used at all US security checkpoints and anyone with a fever denied entry.
Yup. Been that way since SARS. I think we'll see more of this everywhere once this thing is over....

Humbleavi8t0r
03-28-2020, 06:36 PM
I got my temperature checked upon arriving home from last few rotations. My wife recently got her new infrared thermometer.

atpcliff
03-28-2020, 11:12 PM
Throwing this out there for discussion.

It seems like one of the first observable signs of infection is a temperature. The biggest risk to crews and passengers is pilots contracting the virus from the other pilots, flight attendants contracting from passengers and passengers contracting from other passengers.

Wouldn't be perfect, but what about using one of those touch free thermometers to check everyone about to board the airplane?

If a passenger, pilot or flight attendant has a temperature, they would be denied boarding.

Would give everyone one more level of confidence.

People who test positive for the CVirus may have no symptoms for 2-14 days. Also, it appears that over 50% of the CVirus positive patients didn't have any elevated temperatures. This is one of the reason this virus has spread so fast, and is so hard to stop.

casual observer
03-29-2020, 05:06 AM
People who test positive for the CVirus may have no symptoms for 2-14 days. Also, it appears that over 50% of the CVirus positive patients didn't have any elevated temperatures. This is one of the reason this virus has spread so fast, and is so hard to stop.

That's a good point.