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Pogey Bait
03-28-2020, 10:26 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2020/03/27/cdc-us-has-jumped-to-a-level-3-travel-health-notice/amp/

See above. Now that the CDC has moved the United States to a ďLevel 3Ē, how does this effect us domestic flyers? Prior publications from the company had CDC Level 3 travel restrictions broken up into two different categories for regular line holders and reserve holders. Based on current company policy how does this now effect us?


flyallnite
03-28-2020, 10:42 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2020/03/27/cdc-us-has-jumped-to-a-level-3-travel-health-notice/amp/

See above. Now that the CDC has moved the United States to a ďLevel 3Ē, how does this effect us domestic flyers? Prior publications from the company had CDC Level 3 travel restrictions broken up into two different categories for regular line holders and reserve holders. Based on current company policy how does this now effect us?

I'll just venture a guess...we are exempt, immune, essential & expendable! Get back to your triple deadheads to a disaster area!

Banzai
03-28-2020, 11:23 AM
Is now a good time to point out that the U.S. and South Korea has their respective first cases on the same day?


clear4approach
03-28-2020, 11:47 AM
Is now a good time to point out that the U.S. and South Korea has their respective first cases on the same day?
Relax, it's just the flu. You'll see, cases are going to go down to zero shortly...🙄

Express pilot
03-28-2020, 11:50 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/suzannerowankelleher/2020/03/27/cdc-us-has-jumped-to-a-level-3-travel-health-notice/amp/

See above. Now that the CDC has moved the United States to a ďLevel 3Ē, how does this effect us domestic flyers? Prior publications from the company had CDC Level 3 travel restrictions broken up into two different categories for regular line holders and reserve holders. Based on current company policy how does this now effect us?

I see the Forbes article but they made a mistake. If you go to CDD website you will see USA is not a level 3. Japan, Brazil, Australia, Canada are level 3.

Gunfighter
03-28-2020, 12:31 PM
I see the Forbes article but they made a mistake. If you go to CDD website you will see USA is not a level 3. Japan, Brazil, Australia, Canada are level 3.

CDC Travel Health Notices (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices)

The CDC no longer lists specific countries as Level 3 for COVID 19. Instead it has increased the worldwide WuFlu travel advisory from Level 2 to Level 3. This effectively makes the entire world a Level 3. Iím not aware of any US specific travel advisories issued by the CDC for this or any other disease, as they are an American organization that issues travel warnings for US Citizens traveling abroad, much like the US Department of State.

Express pilot
03-28-2020, 01:25 PM
CDC Travel Health Notices (https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices)

The CDC no longer lists specific countries as Level 3 for COVID 19. Instead it has increased the worldwide WuFlu travel advisory from Level 2 to Level 3. This effectively makes the entire world a Level 3. Iím not aware of any US specific travel advisories issued by the CDC for this or any other disease, as they are an American organization that issues travel warnings for US Citizens traveling abroad, much like the US Department of State.

We have a bulletin that lists Australia, Brazil, Canada, Japan and Israel as Level 3.

From ALPA:

Pilots should be aware that they have the option to accept or decline flying to a destination that is on the CDC Warning Level 3 COVID-19 list. If a pilot is scheduled to fly to one of the countries on this list, they have the following options:

A regular pilot can drop the trip without pay
A reserve pilot can refuse the trip and return to reserve status
Contact your Chief Pilot if you have questions, concerns or the desire to decline a trip.
Current CDC Warning Level 3 countries can be found at the CDC website, CDC Travel Health Notices.

So we can refuse a trip to one of these 5 countries.

popcopy
03-28-2020, 02:12 PM
Isnít it funny how Kalitta crews got outfitted in full anti-virus garb to fly americans back from Wuhan. And we get ZIP from delta to fly people around in a country that has 2x as many COVID19 cases as China did then?

Grapple
03-28-2020, 02:16 PM
Isnít it funny how Kalitta crews got outfitted in full anti-virus garb to fly americans back from Wuhan. And we get ZIP from delta to fly people around in a country that has 2x as many COVID19 cases as China did then?


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Gunfighter
03-28-2020, 02:54 PM
We have a bulletin that lists Australia, Brazil, Canada, Japan and Israel as Level 3.

From ALPA:

Pilots should be aware that they have the option to accept or decline flying to a destination that is on the CDC Warning Level 3 COVID-19 list. If a pilot is scheduled to fly to one of the countries on this list, they have the following options:

A regular pilot can drop the trip without pay
A reserve pilot can refuse the trip and return to reserve status
Contact your Chief Pilot if you have questions, concerns or the desire to decline a trip.
Current CDC Warning Level 3 countries can be found at the CDC website, CDC Travel Health Notices.

So we can refuse a trip to one of these 5 countries.

The ALPA bulletin is not the source document for CDC Warning Level 3 countries. The list is dynamic and the five countries you mentioned represented the current list as of the time of publication. My interpretation is that we can refuse a trip to a country with a CDC Warning Level 3. While on reserve earlier this month, I checked the CDC list multiple times daily for updates. The list expanded substantially between publication and the 26th of March. On the 27th of March, the CDC expanded the list to a worldwide Warning Level 3, effectively including all countries.

Express pilot
03-28-2020, 03:45 PM
The ALPA bulletin is not the source document for CDC Warning Level 3 countries. The list is dynamic and the five countries you mentioned represented the current list as of the time of publication. My interpretation is that we can refuse a trip to a country with a CDC Warning Level 3. While on reserve earlier this month, I checked the CDC list multiple times daily for updates. The list expanded substantially between publication and the 26th of March. On the 27th of March, the CDC expanded the list to a worldwide Warning Level 3, effectively including all countries.

I understand ALPA is not the CDC list. I think youíre looking at the CDC website wrong. If you get to the section you can pull the country down and select. You will see the current Level 3 which matches the bulletin the company put out on the 22nd. For our LAX777, SYD and HND are level 3.

ERflyer
03-28-2020, 04:32 PM
Relax, it's just the flu. You'll see, cases are going to go down to zero shortly...🙄

By Easter. Because itís a beautiful day.

Gunfighter
03-28-2020, 05:51 PM
I understand ALPA is not the CDC list. I think youíre looking at the CDC website wrong. If you get to the section you can pull the country down and select. You will see the current Level 3 which matches the bulletin the company put out on the 22nd. For our LAX777, SYD and HND are level 3.

Nope, Iím looking at it correctly. Did you do a search for Japan or Australia before posting? Have you found any country specific Cv19 warnings in the last 24 hours? Are you sure you are looking at the CDC and not the State Department? State Department still shows country specific warnings. As of this posting a country specific search on the CDC site reveals a level 2 warning in Japan for Rubella and no warnings for Australia. Italy does not return any warnings either. There wasnít a drop down list on my iPad, just a field to type in a country name. My assumption is there are no country specific warnings for COVID-19, because the entire world is covered by the global Warning Level 3 for COVID-19 on the CDC website.

Have you seen any country specific Cv19 warnings at the following link in the last 24hrs? They had country specific listings yesterday, but I canít find any today. When did you last review the CDC country list?
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices

Hossharris
03-28-2020, 06:39 PM
So if the US is level 3, can a reserve tap out of any domestic trip and return to long call?..

(asking for a friend)

Gunfighter
03-28-2020, 07:58 PM
When your friend hits ďpress to testĒ please report back with results.

vyperdriver
03-28-2020, 08:22 PM
Serious question,

Can ALPA not collectively, as our representative, just say we are standing down until the threat level to crews has been diminished through 1. Proper PPE worn in and around the airports, 2. Proper nutritional availability at both airports and layover hotels, 3. Proper transportation with minimal grouping/maximum social distancing 4. Reduction of CDC NYC from quarantine inplace/Level 3 warnings. Everyone of us is thinking pretty much the same thing about the futility of trying to manage any semblance of a schedule and I imagine most of us are starting to be concerned about catching this and brining it home to our loved ones. I realize our 4th floor guys are working hard, but ED and the lot aren't ubering between crashpads and walking around the streets looking for food in arguably the most dangerous place on the planet right now. Just random thoughts...anybody?

CoefficientX
03-28-2020, 08:38 PM
Serious question,

Can ALPA not collectively, as our representative, just say we are standing down until the threat level to crews has been diminished through 1. Proper PPE worn in and around the airports, 2. Proper nutritional availability at both airports and layover hotels, 3. Proper transportation with minimal grouping/maximum social distancing 4. Reduction of CDC NYC from quarantine inplace/Level 3 warnings. Everyone of us is thinking pretty much the same thing about the futility of trying to manage any semblance of a schedule and I imagine most of us are starting to be concerned about catching this and brining it home to our loved ones. I realize our 4th floor guys are working hard, but ED and the lot aren't ubering between crashpads and walking around the streets looking for food in arguably the most dangerous place on the planet right now. Just random thoughts...anybody?

Iím concerned. Iím doing my best to be hyper vigilant with keeping my hands clean and keeping my hands away from my face. The more vigilant you are the more you realize youíre constantly touching things that many others have touched. It seems overwhelming.

I would love to be better informed on exactly how this thing is transmitted, is keeping my hands clean and away from my face enough??? I brought a pillow on my last three day. The last thing I want is to be the guy that brings this home to loved ones.

Grapple
03-29-2020, 07:10 AM
One of our biggest threats is getting infected while on a trip and then showing symptoms while at home.

Not only do we possibly infect our family when we return home but being conscientious professionals we call in sick but cannot realistically claim an OJI because where we became infected cannot be determined (even though it's most likely happened on a trip).

While most of the younger Pilots will shake it off some of the older ones may find this career ending.

gopher3
03-29-2020, 07:23 AM
Serious question,

Can ALPA not collectively, as our representative, just say we are standing down until the threat level to crews has been diminished through 1. Proper PPE worn in and around the airports, 2. Proper nutritional availability at both airports and layover hotels, 3. Proper transportation with minimal grouping/maximum social distancing 4. Reduction of CDC NYC from quarantine inplace/Level 3 warnings. Everyone of us is thinking pretty much the same thing about the futility of trying to manage any semblance of a schedule and I imagine most of us are starting to be concerned about catching this and brining it home to our loved ones. I realize our 4th floor guys are working hard, but ED and the lot aren't ubering between crashpads and walking around the streets looking for food in arguably the most dangerous place on the planet right now. Just random thoughts...anybody?

This x1000. I couldnít agree more with you..,,Itís getting stupid out there. IMO Alpa is missing the big picture in regard to the Safety and Health of flight crews. They have however acknowledged that ASAPs are trending significantly higher...duh.

Aviator147
03-29-2020, 07:45 AM
Agreed. Currently commuting to JFK to sit for 4 hours before a DH that I couldnít deviate from because all the cancellations. Then operate back to JFK. Land at midnight. At least they provided a back end hotel at JFK :rolleyes:

aeroengineer
03-29-2020, 08:10 AM
Isnít it funny how Kalitta crews got outfitted in full anti-virus garb to fly americans back from Wuhan. And we get ZIP from delta to fly people around in a country that has 2x as many COVID19 cases as China did then?
I get the feeling. I really do. Of course therein lies the rub. How do you convince the fare paying passengers that its safe for them to fly if the crew is wearing a hazmat suit? I'd be willing to bet a lot of those over 60ish types who took or will take early retirement at their carrier when offered did a risk analysis and realized that COVID 19 might make it a very short/painful retirement if they stayed around. Like I said in another thread discussing air filtration I think we're looking at a paradigm shift in how the public looks at air travel.

Phins2right
03-29-2020, 08:57 AM
Like I said in another thread discussing air filtration I think we're looking at a paradigm shift in how the public looks at air travel.

Strongly disagree. Go back and look at SARS/MERS/H1N1 - said the same thing re: air travel.

This is the flash mob, tweet, facebook, instagram, info ADD riddled society. They'll quickly move on to the next shiny object despite the MSM's and press outlets best efforts to push this event to the last drop of relevance. Forecasts on the business side don't share your prognostication. I'm saving this reply, we'll see what the real world looks like in 2 years.

Speed Select
03-29-2020, 09:39 AM
This morning on CNN Dr. Fauci predicted 100-200k CV deaths in the US.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/politics/2020/03/29/sotu-fauci-full.cnn

aeroengineer
03-29-2020, 10:28 AM
Strongly disagree. Go back and look at SARS/MERS/H1N1 - said the same thing re: air travel.

This is the flash mob, tweet, facebook, instagram, info ADD riddled society. They'll quickly move on to the next shiny object despite the MSM's and press outlets best efforts to push this event to the last drop of relevance. Forecasts on the business side don't share your prognostication. I'm saving this reply, we'll see what the real world looks like in 2 years.

Certainly hope you're right.

A couple things though. We need to do everything we can to keep an extra clean environment onboard the aircraft AND make sure the public knows it. I think a good indicator of domestic travel will start to show itself in the numbers 6 months after Disney World in Orlando and the casinos in Vegas reopen. Both in seats filled in the air and at the businesses themselves. Business travel is whole other animal. I know a lot of businesses (including some where I know people personally) will ask themselves after a good period of forced telework/teleconferencing just how much of their travel is really required.

I'll make a note to revisit these posts in 2 years as well.

The Rover
03-29-2020, 10:54 AM
Serious question,

Can ALPA not collectively, as our representative, just say we are standing down until the threat level to crews has been diminished through 1. Proper PPE worn in and around the airports, 2. Proper nutritional availability at both airports and layover hotels, 3. Proper transportation with minimal grouping/maximum social distancing 4. Reduction of CDC NYC from quarantine inplace/Level 3 warnings.

Would also be nice if the company would clean the cockpits on a daily basis.

gloopy
03-29-2020, 11:02 AM
This morning on CNN Dr. Fauci predicted 100-200k CV deaths in the US.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/videos/politics/2020/03/29/sotu-fauci-full.cnn

And how many did his modeling predict for a global depression which almost always results in famine, increased violent crime and wars?

Phins2right
03-29-2020, 11:34 AM
Certainly hope you're right.

A couple things though. We need to do everything we can to keep an extra clean environment onboard the aircraft AND make sure the public knows it. I think a good indicator of domestic travel will start to show itself in the numbers 6 months after Disney World in Orlando and the casinos in Vegas reopen. Both in seats filled in the air and at the businesses themselves. Business travel is whole other animal. I know a lot of businesses (including some where I know people personally) will ask themselves after a good period of forced telework/teleconferencing just how much of their travel is really required.

I'll make a note to revisit these posts in 2 years as well.
I don't disagree with the first part of your statement RE: cleanliness.

We heard the same thing after 9/11 and those other events I mentioned RE: business and leisure travelers. Business will travel again. Families are going to go back to wally world, they are going to vacation in Europe, they are going to go back to Asia. This will pass, and it will pass sooner than you think. This is nothing new other than the advent of triggering social media and the proliferation of 24/7 news and information. Doom, gloom, blood and death sells (gets clicks now these days - same thing). Good news doesn't. I'm not worried about what we'll be in 2 years. Neither should you. BTDT.

aeroengineer
03-30-2020, 05:27 PM
I don't disagree with the first part of your statement RE: cleanliness.

We heard the same thing after 9/11 and those other events I mentioned RE: business and leisure travelers. Business will travel again. Families are going to go back to wally world, they are going to vacation in Europe, they are going to go back to Asia. This will pass, and it will pass sooner than you think. This is nothing new other than the advent of triggering social media and the proliferation of 24/7 news and information. Doom, gloom, blood and death sells (gets clicks now these days - same thing). Good news doesn't. I'm not worried about what we'll be in 2 years. Neither should you. BTDT.

Here's Forbes take on the situation.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/deandonovan/2020/03/30/how-the-airline-industry-will-transform-itself-as-it-comes-back-from-cornonavirus/#5e60aab267b9

CX500T
03-30-2020, 05:32 PM
Was following up until the electric airplane part. Thats still pure fantasy from a commercial travel point.

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aeroengineer
03-31-2020, 05:22 AM
Was following up until the electric airplane part. Thats still pure fantasy from a commercial travel point.

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Yep. I have to agree with you on that one.

Pogey Bait
03-31-2020, 09:04 AM
The United States is classified as Level 3 by the CDC. See below.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html

shroomwell
03-31-2020, 09:08 AM
Isnít it funny how Kalitta crews got outfitted in full anti-virus garb to fly americans back from Wuhan. And we get ZIP from delta to fly people around in a country that has 2x as many COVID19 cases as China did then?
We weren't outfitted like that at all. Only the CDC/DOS people downstairs had the suits on. We had masks and gloves available, and a protocol in place prior to the flights to remain isolated from the pax.