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HSLD
08-21-2007, 02:52 AM
Over the past few years many of us have watched our respective companies cut costs and services internally (hows that for an understatement).

One of the things that bugs me at my airline is the general cleanliness of the cockpit. A few years ago, cleaning the cockpit was taken away from maintenance and assigned to the outsourced contract cleaners. I know cleaning the flight deck isn't all that glamorous, but when maintenance performed this function they took pride in their work and planes were spotless.

Now, I honestly don't think the cockpit of our jets have been cleaned since.

I carry wipes to scrub down boom mics, hand mics, and maybe the yoke. Today I decided to wipe out the handhold used to get leverage to adjust the seat, and was pretty well convinced of the cleaning schedule of these jets.

So my question is: how does your company take care of your workspace - mine doesn't.

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C-17 Driver
08-21-2007, 03:22 AM
Hey, at least you don't fly the BUFF (B-52)! Can you imagine reaching under your seat in that thing and finding 50 year old boogers and chicken bones!!??

I hate "Filty" cockpits too.

aero550
08-21-2007, 04:12 AM
Hey, at least you don't fly the BUFF (B-52)! Can you imagine reaching under your seat in that thing and finding 50 year old boogers and chicken bones!!??

I hate "Filty" cockpits too.

Are you sure those were chicken bones? Could be the remains of a mechanic that went under there to clean the boogers.


FlyerJosh
08-21-2007, 04:45 AM
Since I fly the same airplane every trip (and consider it as "mine" without the benefit of having to pay the bills), we keep our office clean ourselves.

Screen wipes and a little shop vac with the computer cleaning accessory kit can do a lot of good. It also gets a good detailing when it goes in for phased maintenance (about every 4-6 months).

AV8ER
08-21-2007, 05:59 AM
Mine doesn't either...dust, crumbs, sticky substances...ugh...

bravo24
08-21-2007, 06:29 AM
Doesn't this say something about the folks that work in these "filthy" cockpits?

DustoffVT
08-21-2007, 06:40 AM
I was in seat 1A on a 145 this summer...I was amazed at the junk the crew had lying around. USA Today sections everywhere, bid pack, and the F/O couldn't find the MEL 'cause it had slipped into a dunkin' donuts box. It was literally spilling out of the cockpit. What a mess. If I was a fed who wanted to ride observer, my first impression would have been terrible, not to mention the impression passengers (customers!) get. Not saying the crew would let anything slide, but a clean, neat cockpit can speak volumes about our professionalism. Not to mention save your life (fire, etc). I always tried to leave just a pad and pen for the next guys. HSLD is dead on about MX, too...

hangaber
08-21-2007, 07:07 AM
HSLD,
Is that an Airbus cockpit?

kalyx522
08-21-2007, 07:15 AM
I was in seat 1A on a 145 this summer...I was amazed at the junk the crew had lying around. USA Today sections everywhere, bid pack, and the F/O couldn't find the MEL 'cause it had slipped into a dunkin' donuts box. It was literally spilling out of the cockpit. What a mess. If I was a fed who wanted to ride observer, my first impression would have been terrible, not to mention the impression passengers (customers!) get. Not saying the crew would let anything slide, but a clean, neat cockpit can speak volumes about our professionalism. Not to mention save your life (fire, etc). I always tried to leave just a pad and pen for the next guys. HSLD is dead on about MX, too...

well some of us clean whatever we can (wiping down yoke, screens, power levers, etc. with alcohol wipes.. and boy do those wipes end up so very nasty)... but there really is nothing we can or want to do about other stuff.. like dusty crumb-y dirt-filled floor which can only be scooped up by a (powerful!) vac. I thought only a crummy regional plane like mine would be dirty but it's not that much better in 777s huh. but you're right dustoff about the stuff that CAN be cleaned.. it's annoying when the pilots before you leave their trash lying around. kinda like those self entitled pax leaving their trash everywhere...

flaps 9
08-21-2007, 07:34 AM
HSLD,
Is that an Airbus cockpit?

Puleez, don't insult the man!!!

That's a fine Boeing product.

Those brown color tones are a dead giveaway :D

StillInstructin
08-21-2007, 07:56 AM
i always heard, "if it aint boeing i aint going"

SharkyBN584
08-21-2007, 07:57 AM
If you really want to scare yourself, attack the top portion of the armrest with a handy wipe. Very few people even think to do it and you'll usually get a nice shade of pitch black right where everyone rests their arms.

RockBottom
08-21-2007, 08:09 AM
Hey HSLD, I thought you were a right seater? Whaddya doing over there in the left seat? ;)

BlueMoon
08-21-2007, 08:30 AM
I bring Lysol wipes with me to wipe stuff down with, they work better than the crappy alcohol wipes that the company has. I don't mind spending a couple bucks, especially if it might save me the unpleasantness of a cold. (If only pilots would stop coming to work sick)

kalyx522
08-21-2007, 08:41 AM
If you really want to scare yourself, attack the top portion of the armrest with a handy wipe. Very few people even think to do it and you'll usually get a nice shade of pitch black right where everyone rests their arms.

my capt always wipes down the armrest... it's downright disgusting.. about the filthiest spot in the cockpit... which is why I never use the armrest in the first place. no amount of wiping will clean that off!

PeopleMover
08-21-2007, 09:25 AM
Thats one thing I've always liked about 135 ops. Those cockpits are spotless and kept that way. At my carrier, Im not sure who cleans them. Most crews are good at taking away their trash (but leaving some quaility reading material of course :D. I generally wipe down the side panel of the crj, since that is where i put my snacks sometimes, and I also carry a small paint brush to wipe the dust of the center panel. One thing I hate most is huge coffee staines near the cupholder. I can see dust/crumbs accumulating over time, but when someone has a big spill like that and does a half as* job of cleaning it up it gets under my skin

Chang
08-21-2007, 10:18 AM
Our company provides a supply of sanitary hand wipes and screen cleaners for wiping the place down. Most people tend to at least wipe their boom mikes, handholds and flight controls. The Felix Ungers in the crowd also wipe down the guages and control heads ... no telling what pesky bugs those international boys might be bringing home. :eek:

newKnow
08-21-2007, 11:37 AM
Gentlemen and women,

Take your airplanes to Japan. Before you can set the brakes, there are 20-30 people in white uniforms waiting to clean your aircraft. One or two of them are assigned to the flight deck. Be quick though, any jeps, cups, snacks, or aahh reading materials left out will be swooped up as trash. They will clean your windows, CRT screens and everything else. If you are around at the right time, you might get to see the entire shift joining together for exercise to pump themselves up to get ready for work. I've never seen anything like it. I'm sure I never will here in the U.S. :rolleyes:

btwissel
08-21-2007, 11:42 AM
I've never seen anything like it. I'm sure I never will here in the U.S. :rolleyes:

dedication to doing your level best, no matter how menial the job?

sadly, you're right.

vagabond
08-21-2007, 04:01 PM
Ok, HSLD, first you post pictures of so-called crew meals and now this! What are you trying to do? Ruin my appetite forever? ;) But I must say, that is dirty. Ick. Next month, when we go to NRT, I'll come up and clean the darn place for you! Can't stand it anymore.

8-capt
08-21-2007, 06:30 PM
leave it the way you found it, or better. always wipe the tiller, yoke, acars,radio selectors!

HSLD
08-21-2007, 06:39 PM
Hey HSLD, I thought you were a right seater? Whaddya doing over there in the left seat? ;)

I get lost....it's a big jet :)

MD11HOG
08-21-2007, 09:27 PM
There seems to be no cockpit cleaning by FedEx except the date of the cargo conversion. When the 11 goes to Asia, it does get cleaned by the contracted help. My fellow pilots at FedEx set a wide variety of examples. I'd say about 70% take a few seconds to pick up thIer trash while the rest act like thier wives are going to pick it up. (Just like my crashpads). We carry a set of charts and on my last trip they were coffee stained. Nice!

fogey
08-23-2007, 03:11 PM
I'm one of about 3 captains at my airline that actually try to clean up after ourselves. I carry a Dirt Devil Detailer(19.95 at Dirt Devil Dot Com) which actually has enough power to suck things out of the crevices, windex cleaning wipes do good on the buttons, screen gel on the screens. My biggest gripe is that so many of my colleagues are "pipps" which stands for pigs in pilot pants. My biggest pet peeve is digging sunflower seeds and finger/toenail clippings out of the center console. What I'd like to add to these new airplanes is a sextant port--not that I want to relearn how to take star shots-but with a hose, brush and proper fitting you've got the worlds greatest vaccuum cleaner in cruise. If everyone would wash their hands before they get in the cockpit it would stay a lot cleaner.

Fogey

taylorjets
08-23-2007, 03:40 PM
Menzies is slippin'...

Bloodhound
08-23-2007, 03:54 PM
Hey, I see the flithiness as building my immune system. Sometimes I'll scratch the gummy ashtrays and chew my fingernails just to introduce new bacteria to my body - like a vaccine. :D

Here's one for you... Once every couple of years, our Flt. Ops. has to put out memos to not clean the gear handle because of inadvertant gear extensions in cruise. Maybe "cleaning" is an excuse for my "sasquatch Deer Stag bumped the lever while checlking my eyelids for holes," - I don't know. But I'm sure it's actually happened a few times.

flyfast
08-28-2007, 06:02 PM
Over the past few years many of us have watched our respective companies cut costs and services internally (hows that for an understatement).

One of the things that bugs me at my airline is the general cleanliness of the cockpit. A few years ago, cleaning the cockpit was taken away from maintenance and assigned to the outsourced contract cleaners. I know cleaning the flight deck isn't all that glamorous, but when maintenance performed this function they took pride in their work and planes were spotless.

Now, I honestly don't think the cockpit of our jets have been cleaned since.

I carry wipes to scrub down boom mics, hand mics, and maybe the yoke. Today I decided to wipe out the handhold used to get leverage to adjust the seat, and was pretty well convinced of the cleaning schedule of these jets.

So my question is: how does your company take care of your workspace - mine doesn't.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1266/1192947672_26530ddcf1.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1367/1192947894_41ec314b47.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1180/1192079475_9606728bba.jpg

Do what I have been doing for awhile. When I find somebody nasty garbage, etc. in the cockpit. I find out who it is and PUT IT IN THEIR V-FILE!! This includes old food, pop cans, and spit chew bottles...

jdsavage
08-29-2007, 08:51 AM
dedication to doing your level best, no matter how menial the job?

sadly, you're right.

Agreed, seems like people will work harder to get out of doing their job, than actually doing it.

Spartan07
08-29-2007, 09:32 AM
Agreed, seems like people will work harder to get out of doing their job, than actually doing it.

Sorry to have to correct you here, But don't you think it should be "... seems like American people will work harder to get out of doing their job, than actually doing it."?

I love this country, and I know that there are lazy people in other countries and cultures but laziness is a big part of our culture. I personally think that we have got to be (as a whole) the laziest country in the world. And that is as a whole, including all the classes. The upper class in a lot of other countries could probably give us a good run for our money, but if you tally up the average 'laziness' of the entire society I'm pretty sure we would be at the top of the heap.

HercDriver130
08-29-2007, 10:02 AM
Hell you have never been to Italy. I am surprised those people can even have a functioning country. I picked up a bird from Augusto Aerospace in Brindisi ( it was contract depot level maintenance ) and then flew it back to the states. I had done several depot level pickups stateside, one day... TWO max. FCF flight, yada yada... fix a few things.. you get the picture. TWELVE days we were there... ( it was fun i am not complaining ) but the Italian workers actually only worked about 3 hours a day. I am NOT kidding... between breaks and mandated stuff from their union... and towing the bird in and out of storage.... we had like 3 hours a day to get the bird ready.... in the end it was a 6 day trip that turned into nearly 3 weeks .... can you say per diem baby. My point was that was one lazy bunch of workers. We asked the AF Major who was the rep there and he said after the first 6 months he had gotten use to it and just rolled with the flow.

jdsavage
08-29-2007, 10:53 AM
Although Americans were who I was referring to when I made that statement, I have some advice for you. When you fly to the Bahamas and they ask you when you need your fuel, tell them (with emphases) NOW. Even if you aren't leaving for several hours, otherwise you will leave late.

Spartan07
08-29-2007, 11:52 AM
You know, those two posts make me wonder if we really are that lazy or if we're just about par for the course...

HercDriver130
08-29-2007, 01:10 PM
Believe me I have been plently of places around the globe where they are in NO hurry to do much of anything....

Shrek
08-29-2007, 01:32 PM
Puleez, don't insult the man!!!

That's a fine Boeing product.

Those brown color tones are a dead giveaway :D

Kinda like the FINE NGs right............."Now THAT'S a FIRE!!!!"-Eddie Murphy:D



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