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grasshopper
08-31-2007, 07:29 PM
Hey fellow pax haulers,

What do thing the future of Delta is going to look like? I'm thinking that interesting times are ahead...any comments?!!!! Aside from the CAL comments...by the way I think they (CAL) have a great future....what do you see Delta doing in the next 3 years?


grasshopper
08-31-2007, 07:35 PM
what do thiinkKKKKKK...you know haw it iz at dis hour?

acl65pilot
09-01-2007, 06:09 PM
good things are coming at DAL.


DAL4EVER
09-01-2007, 06:27 PM
What CAL comments are you referring to?

reddog25
09-01-2007, 07:30 PM
good things are coming at DAL.

:)And it's wearing a Red Tail

HercDriver130
09-01-2007, 10:05 PM
My prediction is that good things are coming around for DAL

Further I would say that good times could be around the corner for most of the legacy and other large airlines out there. Several things have to happen..... no big 9/11 style event.... both mngt and the unions have to understand that pay and work rules must be better BUT its gonna take time maybe even several contracts to see the pay rates we saw just a few years ago , realty is that profit margins can disappear in a minute and it does no good to raise pay 30 percent if it causes the company to loose money once again. And finally mngt needs to value employees....AND employees need to value the company.

grasshopper
09-02-2007, 05:22 AM
There was some CAL v DAL stuff cranking up in another thread. I think they (DAL) have some good times ahead. I don't know about the red tail business. It would be a good place to go even if a merger happens. If I'm not mistaken NW has quite a few retirements coming up in the next 10 years. Anyone know how many?

HercDriver130
09-02-2007, 05:47 AM
lots....and a lot of guys took early retirements over the past few years.

Skywriting
09-02-2007, 06:22 AM
I see more expansion in the international markets. Mainly Europe and South America, the sale of Comair, merger with another legacy. Ecpanding in the far east is dependant upon merger. I see no significant presents in that arena for at least 5 to 10 yrs. Profitablity in the next few years will mean pay increases based on the current contract and thats all I see in my crystal ball.

fireman0174
09-02-2007, 06:42 AM
My prediction is that good things are coming around for DAL.
That doesn't automatically equate to good times for the employees.

Bucking Bar
09-02-2007, 03:42 PM
It looks like growth is around the corner for Delta. There was talk of taking a training break over the holidays, now there is talk about running right through Nov., Dec., & as scheduled next year. Possible narrowbody additions that would push more 737 flying towards ATL. Some good CVG and SLC news, maybe. I don't know anything, just standing near the coffee maker type stuff.

LifeNtheFstLne
09-02-2007, 04:16 PM
:)And it's wearing a Red Tail

I hear this rumor a lot. Aside from the new leadership at DAL, what fuels this? Though I don't work for either company, I would imagine that type of merger would make for a work environment about as pleasant as the US Air / America West merger.

Bucking Bar
09-02-2007, 05:46 PM
That rumor is fueled by the fact the option of a DAL/NWA merger was looked at while in bankruptcy and Richard Anderson's selection puts more fuel on that fire.

However, it has been denied and nothing about it seems like a better idea than Delta continuing to be successful as the second largest airline in the World (behind American).

Here is what one better respected industry forcaster wrote: (credit Boyd, aviationplanning.com)

From The
They-Don't-Hear-Thunder Department

The short answer is no. The long answer is no.

That's pretty much directly what Delta's new CEO stated when asked if he was looking at pursuing a merger with Northwest. He ought to know what can be done, what can't be done, and what won't work in this regard, having been CEO of both airlines.

Things like fleets that have about as much in common as locomotives and street trolleys. Things like the enormous expense of integrating entirely different ops specs, maintenance programs, and pilot seniority assignments. Things like the revenue growth potential for wider cooperation within the current DL/NW/CO and SkyTeam alliances, without the wreckage a merger creates.

But that hasn't stopped the usual-suspect squirrels on Wall Street from confidently "predicting" such an event, usually accessorized with some babble about the "great route synergies" a combined DL/NW would represent, and the "billions" in "new value" that would result. Keep this in mind: a lot of these financial "analysts" speak first, and worry about factual data later. The fact is that a lot of these folks literally have no basic knowledge of how airlines work. They look at a route map and start spouting.

Another trendy bit of Sacred Wall Street Scripture that's also coming up in many of these articles is the unquestioned pronouncement by analysts to the effect, "legacy carriers such as Delta are abandoning domestic routes - which are less profitable - to low cost carriers and are instead expanding into more lucrative international markets..."

That's flat out non-factual. Not within three zip-codes of airline reality. The truth is that carriers such as Delta are not being chased out of any major mainline O&D markets by LCCs. To the contrary, over the last two years, it's been Delta harassing LCCs by tossing in RJs to siphon traffic in a number of markets LCCs have entered. The fact is that Delta, Continental and Northwest have added international flying to feed and strengthen domestic markets, not as a refuge from Southwest. And it's that international feed revenue that gives the comprehensive network airlines an on-board revenue advantage domestically over LCCs.



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