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captjns
09-07-2007, 12:56 AM
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070905/news_1m5braun.html

http://blogs.usatoday.com/sky/2007/09/whats-appropriahtml

Whats up with that? Was the cabin crew jealous that the passenger looked better in a dress then they????


HercDriver130
09-07-2007, 03:03 AM
some overzealous EMPLOYEES....

LuvJockey
09-07-2007, 03:30 AM
Pathetic. Back in the old days, we would have handed her a job application.


bifff15
09-07-2007, 04:08 AM
Looks like Hooters beat you to it.

kc10/c130
09-07-2007, 04:54 AM
Now it's okay to be 495 lbs and try to fit into the cracker jack seats on an RJ but a 5' 5' blond and in a skirt... haul her away. Maybe they should of asked the Capt if she could ride in the jumpseat.

Metal121
09-07-2007, 05:23 AM
Too bad....I would have had her fly in my jumpseat.

homer j
09-07-2007, 05:30 AM
She is hot enough to make any male F/A think about switching teams. Probably made this guy question his orientation, so he tried to boot her off...:p

OscartheGrouch
09-07-2007, 05:34 AM
You have to be kidding me! Any flight to or from LAS has "working girls" that are way more revealing. I would say it was a lack of leadership on the part of the Captain. Also we have flight attendants who can't fit down the isle any more but somehow they have the authority to call this young lady out. Pathetic!

Mach 84
09-07-2007, 05:51 AM
""" ...would say it was a lack of leadership on the part of the Captain.""""

At many airlines now, unless it is a direct safety issue, pilots stay out of any issues with passengers and let the ground personnel deal with them. At my airline, a few Captains got involved in passenger issues in the past and ended up being in the wrong (they misunderstood airline policy that ground personnel are familiar with, etc) and now are basicly told they are responsible for getting the airplane from A to B in a safe manner but leave any passenger issues to the ground people. Unless the issue obviously involves security or safety I personally I prefer it that way too. One less thing to deal with and when dealing with people it can get ugly quickly.

OscartheGrouch
09-07-2007, 06:42 AM
""" ...would say it was a lack of leadership on the part of the Captain.""""

At many airlines now, unless it is a direct safety issue, pilots stay out of any issues with passengers and let the ground personnel deal with them. At my airline, a few Captains got involved in passenger issues in the past and ended up being in the wrong (they misunderstood airline policy that ground personnel are familiar with, etc) and now are basicly told they are responsible for getting the airplane from A to B in a safe manner but leave any passenger issues to the ground people. Unless the issue obviously involves security or safety I personally I prefer it that way too. One less thing to deal with and when dealing with people it can get ugly quickly.

M84,

As I said based on the info in the media this young lady didn't have anything on that was any worse than most flights I have flown. There is always someone pushing the envelope. I might add as the father of four teenage girls I would disaprove of her outfit completely. If you are the Captain I would hope you are very familiar with company policy and not allow a flight attendant that much authority to question an outfit that is allowed on most fights to and from LAS. Ultimately you are responsible for everything on your flight including allowing someone to be denied boarding. We now have grooming and uniform standards at SWA that are way to lax and to possibly delay the flight when the male flight attendant looks like Curt Cobain of Nirvana one month after he died questioning someone on their outfit is rather funny.

Do as you wish but I won't wimp out on any issue with regards to my flight.:p

Delay my flight for something like this and I will remember you forever. Never let me catch you out of the company standards for anything.

Mach 84
09-07-2007, 08:53 AM
"""Ultimately you are responsible for everything on your flight including allowing someone to be denied boarding. ""'

Not completely true. I only enter into passenger issues if it is one involving a safety issue (drinking, making threats, etc). Any other issues I defer to the gate agent and customer service supervisor. I figure these issues are their job and they have been trained in all the nuances and how to handle passengers. I don't need nor want the distraction as I otherwise prepare for flight. In fact, that is the way my company prefers things to be done -- they don't want a shouting match between passengers and the guy flying the plane nor expect the Captain to get involved. They have basicly told our pilots to stay out of these issues and allow customer service people to handle this crap. If the customer sevice sup made the right decision in denying boarding, good for them. If they didn't, THEY will have to explain, not me. I have enough other things to worry about. I don't know why some pilots want or think they need to get involved in customer service issues. I figure I am paid to operate the airplane safely, smoothly, and efficiently, not to waste my time to decide if a t-shirt has something written on it that some might think is obscene or dress codes.....I don't get paid to do that and make those decisions -- customer service supervisors do and I'm happy it's that way.

Cubdriver
09-07-2007, 09:16 AM
I'm not an airline pilot, but M84's opinion seems to make the most sense here. It just seems beneath the role to have the captain fussing with passengers over noncritical issues.

Spartan07
09-07-2007, 09:20 AM
Wait a minute, Isn't this the same airline that had pilots flying naked? :D

OscartheGrouch
09-07-2007, 03:54 PM
"""Ultimately you are responsible for everything on your flight including allowing someone to be denied boarding. ""'

Not completely true. I only enter into passenger issues if it is one involving a safety issue (drinking, making threats, etc). Any other issues I defer to the gate agent and customer service supervisor. I figure these issues are their job and they have been trained in all the nuances and how to handle passengers. I don't need nor want the distraction as I otherwise prepare for flight. In fact, that is the way my company prefers things to be done -- they don't want a shouting match between passengers and the guy flying the plane nor expect the Captain to get involved. They have basicly told our pilots to stay out of these issues and allow customer service people to handle this crap. If the customer sevice sup made the right decision in denying boarding, good for them. If they didn't, THEY will have to explain, not me. I have enough other things to worry about. I don't know why some pilots want or think they need to get involved in customer service issues. I figure I am paid to operate the airplane safely, smoothly, and efficiently, not to waste my time to decide if a t-shirt has something written on it that some might think is obscene or dress codes.....I don't get paid to do that and make those decisions -- customer service supervisors do and I'm happy it's that way.

M84,

I am not sure how this thread got off topic (probably me) but you obviously have a different philosophy towards these situations. I personally am not going to sit by and let some misinformed rookie flight attendant or csa make decisions that effect the on time departure of my flight in regards to dress codes that don't exist at this airline. In over 18 years I have seen just about everything and encountered many scenarios that required me to step in while on the ground. I have never had a shouting match with a customer. It is a display of leadership and just your presence in the jetway while things unfold which will usually help resovle things quickly. I have run across spineless and gutless pilots who won't show leadership when needed and frankly I don't have much respect for them. They run off into their little hole while flight attendants and csa's are verbally abused. Many of our F/A's and CSA's appreciate being supported by the cockpit crew when they are in the right.

With this situation (the scantily dressed young lady) I think SWA dropped the ball. Does she deserve monetary compesation? Absoutely not! SWA had better come up with a better policy with regards to a pax dress code and not wait till push time to challenge the pax. I personally would luv to "crack the whip" on some of those flights to/from LAS.;)

P. S. I get paid for a safe, efficient, comfortable and expeditious flight. My job doesn't stop at the cockpit door.

OscartheGrouch
09-07-2007, 04:05 PM
I'm not an airline pilot, but M84's opinion seems to make the most sense here. It just seems beneath the role to have the captain fussing with passengers over noncritical issues.

Cubby,

I have done just about every job here at SWA (except drive the lav truck).
As I said in the above post I have never been in a shouting match with a Pax up to this point. Perhaps you are one of those who thinks that helping with bags or cleaning up the aircraft are beneath the role of a pilot? I get paid well and with regards to anything involving my aircraft I will make sure it gets done. It is called responsiblilty!:p

ecloebl
09-07-2007, 05:02 PM
Cubby,

I have done just about every job here at SWA (except drive the lav truck).
As I said in the above post I have never been in a shouting match with a Pax up to this point. Perhaps you are one of those who thinks that helping with bags or cleaning up the aircraft are beneath the role of a pilot? I get paid well and with regards to anything involving my aircraft I will make sure it gets done. It is called responsiblilty!:p


Oscar, you seem to exemplify the famous Southwest Spirit. I am always impressed to see a SWA captain cleaning the cabin or pushing wheelchair paxs during turn around. This episode seems very atypical for SWA. Apparently one individual made a bad call. I bet SWA makes it up to the young lady, something like naming an airplane after her.

SexyJeny
09-07-2007, 06:00 PM
As young Girl myself I have to admit the skirt was little too short for traveling where some children may have possibly traveling…! No discussion about the hotty appearances ..we love to be sometime in a center of attention….!;) Sure She did…..:rolleyes:

SexyJeny:)

newKnow
09-07-2007, 08:42 PM
I think SWA had better come up with some cash for that girl before it becomes a big lawsuit. They haven't got a leg to stand on.

Mach 84
09-07-2007, 08:48 PM
Oscar,

You'll end up in a non-paying team meeting if you interfere too much with other employees who have been TRAINED to make certain customer service decisions. The day will come when you are going to over-rule a gate agent or customer service agent and find your self in hot water over it. If you want to stick your nose in other people's jobs, have at it and you're welcome to do so but I'm not doing it. It's someone else's job to take care of these things, not mine. One day, if you are the Captain of a 747 with 300 people boarding for a trans-Atlantic flight, the last thing I want to see if I'm boarding as a passenger is the Captain hanging out watching the boarding or leaving his pre-flight duties to discuss with a customer service agent the length of a girl's dress and if you are going to let her board. It's someone else's job, not the Captain's! The Captain should only get involved over much larger safety issues or major issues, not dress codes.

the King
09-07-2007, 11:37 PM
I don't know much about you Mach 84, but I know a little more about Oscar. Everything I've seen him post has been well on-target. Sure we don't want a nosy captain who's neglecting preflight duties. But Oscar is right when he says his job is efficient, safe, on-time performance. After reading the story, it sounds as though "Keith" the CSA was slightly overzealous. That was a very stupid way to deal with the situation. In addition, the decision to confront her just before taxi was another serious mistake. If there is a dress code, enforce it. If not, the passenger briefing is not the time to call the customer out. More tact is required and it is unusual to see such a lack of it at SWA.

AV8ER
09-08-2007, 04:09 AM
Isn't this the same airline who used to have their fa's wear hotpants and boots?

Tarheel
09-08-2007, 07:20 AM
Kick her off!!! I hope this story explodes on the news so the girl will get an offer to do Playboy.

Oldfreightdawg
09-08-2007, 08:18 AM
Kick her off!!! I hope this story explodes on the news so the girl will get an offer to do Playboy.

This is hilarious! I've seen barefooted, dirty toothless hillbillies that smelled to high heaven on SWA flights. This woman was stunning and appropriately dressed. What's next? Wall mart will be escorting the beautiful people out of their stores so they can keep their image as a low class outfit.

OscartheGrouch
09-08-2007, 10:14 AM
Oscar,

You'll end up in a non-paying team meeting if you interfere too much with other employees who have been TRAINED to make certain customer service decisions. The day will come when you are going to over-rule a gate agent or customer service agent and find your self in hot water over it. If you want to stick your nose in other people's jobs, have at it and you're welcome to do so but I'm not doing it. It's someone else's job to take care of these things, not mine. One day, if you are the Captain of a 747 with 300 people boarding for a trans-Atlantic flight, the last thing I want to see if I'm boarding as a passenger is the Captain hanging out watching the boarding or leaving his pre-flight duties to discuss with a customer service agent the length of a girl's dress and if you are going to let her board. It's someone else's job, not the Captain's! The Captain should only get involved over much larger safety issues or major issues, not dress codes.

Okay dude you win! Put a fork in me I am done. I will go back and do my job until I have that unpaid meeting and you can go back and fret about every detail of your preflight duties while you hang out in your hole. I truly enjoy going to work and I enjoy saying hello to the pax and yes I enjoy resolving all kinds of issues regarding my flights. My duties come first and then I engage the pax with a few friendly gestures. Besides we have the best First Officers in the industry who leave me with that extra time.:p

Unlike you I feel I have the interpersonal skills and knowledge of our company's policies to help that poor little CSA supervisor (with 1 year of "training")who still hasn't seen what I have.

7576FO
09-08-2007, 12:25 PM
This is hilarious! I've seen barefooted, dirty toothless hillbillies that smelled to high heaven on SWA flights. This woman was stunning and appropriately dressed. What's next? Wall mart will be escorting the beautiful people out of their stores so they can keep their image as a low class outfit.

Ditto,

I thought it was fine.
Everyone is saying I don't let my daughters dress like that!
Wake up, Your daughters dress like that.

mike734
09-08-2007, 12:42 PM
it sounds as though "Keith" the CSA was slightly overzealous.
I'd bet that Keith was more jealous than zealous, if you know what I mean.

Cubdriver
09-08-2007, 04:13 PM
Oscar- I apologize. You seem to be an exceptional individual who cares beyond the limits of an official role. I meant to support those who feel that subservient duties should be taken care of by designated persons. Your attitude speaks well for both your airline and your professionalism.

Ziggy
09-08-2007, 04:24 PM
Time permitting, I would like to see the captain standing at the entrance welcoming pax onboard and after deboarding the aircraft.

mike734
09-08-2007, 05:13 PM
Does she deserve monetary compesation? Absoutely not!
She does deserve compensation if only to help SWA understand the depth of their mistake. Money is the only thing airlines understand. I predict she will be compensated very fairly but knowing SWA, it may be in some creative non monetary way.

Cubdriver
09-08-2007, 05:33 PM
Unqualified, or disorderly persons need to be stopped to insure order on the aircraft. It is a hard job because personal distortions can make it hard to know what represents disorder. The woman in this example was dressed in a style that threatened order. What is disorderly may be a hard decision sometimes, but the benefit of the doubt is due the flight crew because of its role in insuring safety.

Mach 84
09-08-2007, 06:10 PM
Oscar,

I never said you couldn't enjoy your job. I hope you do.

I never meant you couldn't say hello to the passengers while boarding. I hope you do.

The actual subject here has nothing to do with those things.

If it is your style to interject yourself with minor passenger service issues, have at it, but I think it's a moral killer to the customer service people when you do (as I said earlier, unless it's a safety issue such as drinking, threats, etc). They feel it's their job to make certain decisions and it's my style to allow them to do so without me breathing down their neck. It's sort of nice in that if a minor issue, such as this girl's dress style, later comes to the company's, press's, or courts attention, I'm not going to be involved, but if you want to risk it, and risk having made a wrong decision -- as I said, have at it. It isn't worth the risk to me to get involved in a minor passenger issue such as this nor worth my time.

Thanks for the great job you do (otherwise). Maybe it's a difference in work style but I still feel you are running a risk -- one day there will be a gray area in some passenger service issue and you'll make the wrong call and you'll then remember this discussion when you get that letter in your company mailbox or phone call from the CP. Additionaly I feel you are interfering with someone else's job unless they actually ask for your help.

ecloebl
09-08-2007, 06:38 PM
She does deserve compensation if only to help SWA understand the depth of their mistake. Money is the only thing airlines understand. I predict she will be compensated very fairly but knowing SWA, it may be in some creative non monetary way.

That's what I said. They'll name an airplane after her or have their FA's wear her outfit!

mike734
09-08-2007, 10:07 PM
That's what I said.
Great minds think a like. :)

captjns
09-09-2007, 03:57 AM
There are times that employees under certain mind sets act with a "knee jerk" reaction rather than exercising prudent judgement such as the case with Keith. In these instances the captain needs to resolve such differences with an objective point of view. I would be very interested to learn how SWA will deal with Keith. It would appear that a case of reverse sexual orientation discrimination is apparent.

fireman0174
09-09-2007, 04:52 AM
...... if it is your style to interject yourself with minor passenger service issues, have at it, but I think it's a moral killer to the customer service people when you do (as I said earlier, unless it's a safety issue such as drinking, threats, etc). They feel it's their job to make certain decisions and it's my style to allow them to do so without me breathing down their neck. It's sort of nice in that if a minor issue, such as this girl's dress style, later comes to the company's, press's, or courts attention, I'm not going to be involved, but if you want to risk it, and risk having made a wrong decision -- as I said, have at it. It isn't worth the risk to me to get involved in a minor passenger issue such as this nor worth my time.
I totally agree with your above statement. When I worked as a pilot, that was my job, not being a customer service agent. I always felt I had enough on my plate to keep me busy in the cockpit, unless circumstances demanded I leave it.

As long as safety is not an issue, let those charged with the responsibility for these kind of items handle it. That's what they get paid for. When I witnessed things I felt were innapropriate, I'd go in and talk to my chief pilot and hopefully I would make a strong enough case for the event to be reviewed and action taken.

I wonder how Oscar would feel if some customer service agent gave him advice on how to operate his airplane?

I do applaud his enthusiam, it's just, IMO, misguided.

Just one man's opinion. :)

Mach 84
09-09-2007, 04:54 AM
captjns,

You are only hearing one side of the story when this girl and her Mom get on TV. You may not know the FULL story. Some are saying she wasn't wearing panties and had that skirt hiked up pretty high to the point where other passengers were totally disgusted. You don't know if Keith was wrong or not since you weren't there. Since this may become a legal matter, SWA is keeping silent.

x183
09-09-2007, 06:59 AM
captjns,

You are only hearing one side of the story when this girl and her Mom get on TV. You may not know the FULL story. Some are saying she wasn't wearing panties and had that skirt hiked up pretty high to the point where other passengers were totally disgusted. You don't know if Keith was wrong or not since you weren't there. Since this may become a legal matter, SWA is keeping silent.

Not even a thong? God bless those hooters girls! SHAME on SWA!

cbire880
09-09-2007, 07:10 AM
captjns,

You are only hearing one side of the story when this girl and her Mom get on TV. You may not know the FULL story. Some are saying she wasn't wearing panties and had that skirt hiked up pretty high to the point where other passengers were totally disgusted. You don't know if Keith was wrong or not since you weren't there. Since this may become a legal matter, SWA is keeping silent.

If that was the case, then it should have become an issue of indecent exposure instead of the airline asking her to cover up. If that's the case, then they were doing her a favor by not getting the police involved. See what happens when you try to help out people these days?

x183
09-09-2007, 07:21 AM
If that was the case, then it should have become an issue of indecent exposure instead of the airline asking her to cover up. If that's the case, then they were doing her a favor by not getting the police involved. See what happens when you try to help out people these days?

Oh, for pete's sake everyone! Lighten up already! I guess the fun police are everywhere nowadays. Can't we all just have a little fun and some light hearted discussions occasionally?

Geez.

cbire880
09-09-2007, 07:33 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the eye candy. I'm just saying that things could've got a lot worse for her if she was prancing around Paris Hilton style (still not complaining). If the airline was simply trying to help her out, she may have blown this mess out of proportion. I also like the comment by Wolf Blitzer that "she might make a bit of money out of this." The media also seemed obsessed that she is "hot." Fun to look at, but there are better things to spend media coverage on.

shackone
09-09-2007, 07:42 AM
OTG...I'm with you.

I too chose to be involved, and fortunately, TWA was a true Captain's airline, so those of us who thought that our area of responsibility extended past the cockpit door knew we would be supported as long as we were right.

It wasn't often, but there were times when a Captain's presence was all that was needed to get things back on track. What was not needed was the guy who got on board, plopped himself down into the left seat, and told the FAs to handle things. These people weren't Captains...they were glorified FOs.

SabreDriver
09-09-2007, 07:57 AM
This scnerio could make for an interesting LOI for the SWA interview :D



Could be fun to watch....

captjns
09-09-2007, 12:34 PM
captjns, you don't know if Keith was wrong or not since you weren't there. Since this may become a legal matter, SWA is keeping silent.

Not to criticize those who dont' want to get inovolved... in my 30 plus year... I have dealt with jealous and zealous Keiths in my years... but I nevef hid myself behind the apron strings of my cabin crews apron... when appropriate, if the gate agent did not want to do their job in heading any problems off at the pass, as they should, I made it a point to make sure that all parties are saitisified. Thats the job of the PIC.... not to sit on one's arce and see how it plays out. I can't speak for those who were afraid to put their necks out on the line to make a dicision on critical matters which were less significant than this matter. I have never had a problem of crossing the so called union lines of gate agents vs. pilots... and I still don't... thats called self confidence in doing the right thing.

4th Level
09-09-2007, 02:23 PM
Guys, maybe some "facts" are relevant here.

When I first saw what she was wearing I, like a lot of you, said gmafb. Then I talked to some SAN station folks who gave me the rest of the story. If you look closely, she has clearly shifted her entire outfit down 3-4 inches from the way she was wearing it on the plane. Her "howyadoin" was visible and OTHER PASSENGERS were complaining. She was discreetly taken to the jetway and asked if she 1. Had other clothes - she didn't, 2. Was asked to take a later flight - she had a Dr. appointment to get to, 3. Was asked to buy sweat pants in the gift shop - no $$ and finally WAS STILL ALLOWED TO FLY on her original flight with a blanket over her lap. Look, I'm all for hot chicks on the plane, but this honey was flashin' the beav and other pax were complaining. What were we supposed to do?

Did anyone see the Good Morning America with her on it? When she went to sit down in her "same outfit" NBC felt the need to pixel-ate her crotch because of what was visible (remember, this is the amended clothing version). By the time it aired on the West Coast, the lawyers obviously realized how culpable that made them look and edited the scene to show her not actually sitting down. Hmmmmmm.

A picture from her now closed Myspace account. Pre-boobs apparently. Gosh, wonder why she closed the account?

kalyx522
09-09-2007, 02:28 PM
Guys, maybe some "facts" are relevant here.

When I first saw what she was wearing I, like a lot of you, said gmafb. Then I talked to some SAN station folks who gave me the rest of the story. If you look closely, she has clearly shifted her entire outfit down 3-4 inches from the way she was wearing it on the plane. Her "howyadoin" was visible and OTHER PASSENGERS were complaining. She was discreetly taken to the jetway and asked if she 1. had other clothes, she didn't, 2. was asked to take a later flight, she had a Dr. appointment to get to, 3. was asked to buy sweat pants in the gift shop, no $$ and finally WAS STILL ALLOWED TO FLY on her original flight with a blanket over her lap. Look, I'm all for hot chicks on the plane, but this honey was flashin' the beav and other pax were complaining. What were we supposed to do?

Did anyone see the Good Morning America with her on it? When she went to sit down in her "same outfit" NBC felt the need to pixel-ate her crotch because of what was visible (remember, this is the amended clothing version). By the time it aired on the West Coast, the lawyers obviously realized how culpable that made them look and edited the scene to show her not actually sitting down. Hmmmmmm.

A picture from her now closed Myspace account. Pre-boobs apparently. Gosh, wonder why she closed the account?

I saw her too on the news this morning... there was NO way she could sit down or even bend more than 10 degrees without flashing herself. After seeing that I could kind of understand what must have happened. I'm sure some of yall guys dont have a prob with that kind of view though! :rolleyes:

mike734
09-09-2007, 04:23 PM
but there are better things to spend media coverage on.
The "news" media doesn't cover news anymore. They are in the "infotainment" business.

BTW can we all agree that she is not really hot? I mean she is a 7 at best.

Albief15
09-09-2007, 05:24 PM
Slightly skanky, but probably a lot more fun to be around than "Keith".

Perhaps we can find a way to get her the abilty to jumpseat at FDX. I don't know too many of our captains who would complain about her attire.

SabreDriver
09-09-2007, 06:53 PM
Slightly skanky, but probably a lot more fun to be around than "Keith".

Perhaps we can find a way to get her the abilty to jumpseat at FDX. I don't know too many of our captains who would complain about her attire.



Is that what you FDX guys mean by "scooby snack" :eek:

captjns
09-09-2007, 07:36 PM
BTW can we all agree that she is not really hot? I mean she is a 7 at best.

Well lets say that you don't have to drink her too pretty or go ugly early... so yeah lets give her a 7

the King
09-09-2007, 08:55 PM
If what 4th Level said is true, then this is a frivolous lawsuit and I hope it gets thrown out. I'd hate to see something like this hurt any company for responding to passenger complaints. The sickening part is that all the negative publicity for SWA is gonna happen and no amount of legal paperwork can make that go away.

newKnow
09-09-2007, 10:04 PM
Guys, maybe some "facts" are relevant here.

When I first saw what she was wearing I, like a lot of you, said gmafb. Then I talked to some SAN station folks who gave me the rest of the story. If you look closely, she has clearly shifted her entire outfit down 3-4 inches from the way she was wearing it on the plane. Her "howyadoin" was visible and OTHER PASSENGERS were complaining. She was discreetly taken to the jetway and asked if she 1. Had other clothes - she didn't, 2. Was asked to take a later flight - she had a Dr. appointment to get to, 3. Was asked to buy sweat pants in the gift shop - no $$ and finally WAS STILL ALLOWED TO FLY on her original flight with a blanket over her lap. Look, I'm all for hot chicks on the plane, but this honey was flashin' the beav and other pax were complaining. What were we supposed to do?

Did anyone see the Good Morning America with her on it? When she went to sit down in her "same outfit" NBC felt the need to pixel-ate her crotch because of what was visible (remember, this is the amended clothing version). By the time it aired on the West Coast, the lawyers obviously realized how culpable that made them look and edited the scene to show her not actually sitting down. Hmmmmmm.

A picture from her now closed Myspace account. Pre-boobs apparently. Gosh, wonder why she closed the account?

Last I checked, I think the standard tip is still a dollar.

Lap dances are more expensive. :)

LarianLeQuella
09-10-2007, 05:56 PM
You know what's the worst part of this, that the so called news stories left out some rather VITAL pieces of information... I swear, are all journalists just bloggers these days?

the King
09-10-2007, 07:56 PM
1000 miles wide, 1 inch deep

Best description of the media I've ever heard.

sigtauenus
09-11-2007, 12:20 AM
1000 miles wide, 1 inch deep

Best description of the media I've ever heard.

Wow, LOL, I wasn't thinking you were talking about the media there until I got to the second sentence.

av8r4aa
09-11-2007, 10:49 AM
Guys, maybe some "facts" are relevant here.

When I first saw what she was wearing I, like a lot of you, said gmafb. Then I talked to some SAN station folks who gave me the rest of the story. If you look closely, she has clearly shifted her entire outfit down 3-4 inches from the way she was wearing it on the plane. Her "howyadoin" was visible and OTHER PASSENGERS were complaining. She was discreetly taken to the jetway and asked if she 1. Had other clothes - she didn't, 2. Was asked to take a later flight - she had a Dr. appointment to get to, 3. Was asked to buy sweat pants in the gift shop - no $$ and finally WAS STILL ALLOWED TO FLY on her original flight with a blanket over her lap. Look, I'm all for hot chicks on the plane, but this honey was flashin' the beav and other pax were complaining. What were we supposed to do?

Did anyone see the Good Morning America with her on it? When she went to sit down in her "same outfit" NBC felt the need to pixel-ate her crotch because of what was visible (remember, this is the amended clothing version). By the time it aired on the West Coast, the lawyers obviously realized how culpable that made them look and edited the scene to show her not actually sitting down. Hmmmmmm.

A picture from her now closed Myspace account. Pre-boobs apparently. Gosh, wonder why she closed the account?

For those of you who do not know why 3 white folks are flashing gang signs,
look closely at their fingers. they are all using the same gesture.

It is a sign for " 2 in the pink and 1 in the stink"
I don't think this needs much further explanation.

The perp is a ho and deserved to get what she got.
If I want to see that kind of girl , I pay my 5 dollar cover and
walk in to the establishment after getting welcomed and addressed
as " good evening gentlemen"

Don't get me wrong but would you want your Son or Daughter sitting
next to this skank? My hats off to SWA for trying to rid the planet of
this type of "acceptable" behavior.

This type of story is a further example of a female that has exactly
zero self confidence, and feels that the only way that the guys will
notice her is to dress as such.
Looks to me like the real problem is the kids parents have lost control
a long time ago.

OscartheGrouch
09-11-2007, 03:33 PM
For those of you who do not know why 3 white folks are flashing gang signs,
look closely at their fingers. they are all using the same gesture.

It is a sign for " 2 in the pink and 1 in the stink"
I don't think this needs much further explanation.

The perp is a ho and deserved to get what she got.
If I want to see that kind of girl , I pay my 5 dollar cover and
walk in to the establishment after getting welcomed and addressed
as " good evening gentlemen"

Don't get me wrong but would you want your Son or Daughter sitting
next to this skank? My hats off to SWA for trying to rid the planet of
this type of "acceptable" behavior.

This type of story is a further example of a female that has exactly
zero self confidence, and feels that the only way that the guys will
notice her is to dress as such.
Looks to me like the real problem is the kids parents have lost control
a long time ago.

:eek:I could not stay away. I actually apologize because I now know the story from some folks (in SAN). I supported this young "lady" in the beginning and now I think I will puke. The oufit she had on is completely convertable to suit her mood and what she dispayed on national tv was the G rated version. As I said before, I am the father of four teenage girls and this behavior would be unacceptable. The idea that the mother came on tv with her and supported her is unbelievable and my wife would never have done that. This girl wanted the attention and she has received her 15 minutes and that is all she is entitled to

Just so M84 does not get the idea that I am retreating from my view on the PIC being more involved in what happens around the A/C. If the captain had been in the jetway (and I am still waiting to hear from him/her) when the discussion with Keith occurred I believe this young lady would never have brought this to the level it is. Skankiness is soooo obvious and her MYSPACE slut page is all I need to know!;)

SenecaDriver
09-12-2007, 07:50 AM
Not to change the subject. But I checked out the Video's of the TWA connie's and noted the "attire" of the folks riding in back. White gloves and their sunday best, a differant time. I think people dressed better riding the Bus back then. I'ts not just the clothes, they seemed to have more class.

By the way, Who goes to Tucson for a Dr's appointment? No good Gynos in Ca? Or was she on her way to see Dr. Feel good.

Nealoc187
09-12-2007, 09:12 AM
Not to change the subject. But I checked out the Video's of the TWA connie's and noted the "attire" of the folks riding in back. White gloves and their sunday best, a differant time. I think people dressed better riding the Bus back then. I'ts not just the clothes, they seemed to have more class.

By the way, Who goes to Tucson for a Dr's appointment? No good Gynos in Ca? Or was she on her way to see Dr. Feel good.


maybe she was on her way to get her boob job? I don't know much about the aftermath of breast augmentation surgery but maybe that's why she waited 2 months before going to the media. it's quite obvious she's got them now as opposed to her incredibly classy myspace photo.

Brian5
09-14-2007, 12:31 PM
maybe she was on her way to get her boob job? I don't know much about the aftermath of breast augmentation surgery but maybe that's why she waited 2 months before going to the media. it's quite obvious she's got them now as opposed to her incredibly classy myspace photo.

Actually the purpose of her trip to Tucson was for a post op visit to her doctor for a boob job according to this article. Out of all the articles I read this was the only one to bring up the reason for the doctor visit. She also claims from a radio interview she didn't start working at Hooters until a about a month after her flight, and after getting the boob job.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/09092007/news/nationalnews/is_this_outfit_unfit_for_flyin.htm

I do believe as some have noted there is more to this than want is being released to the public. She quickly made her myspace page private to hide a lot of revealing pictures. Also her lawyers web site is always down for some reason, but prominently mentions their star client with an apology for the alleged server problems. Anyways here are some more pictures and links to her myspace page. If Kyla Ebberts decides to sue Southwest I hope she gets nothing because this really wasn't a news story since she was not discriminated against.

http://www.martinreedlaw.com/home.html

Old myspace page
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=1411029

Cached copy of her page
http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:http://www.myspace.com/PrincessKyla

New myspace page?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=242099305

Here are some more pictures from her myspace page. I linked the more scantily clad ones.

http://matthewfindley.com/KylaEbbert/l_1f25fe43ae2347cab92ed5dd9c3cb619.jpg


http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/5239/kylafriendsnb2.jpg

http://matthewfindley.com/KylaEbbert/92684031_l.jpg

http://matthewfindley.com/KylaEbbert/48134921_l.gif

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i72/pstawicki/Misc%20News%20Pics/Pictures405.jpg

http://i8.tinypic.com/5yk43us.gif

Spartan07
09-14-2007, 01:56 PM
I'm pretty sure here... just my opinion... But I think she is the embodiment of the reverse spelling of my fair city (Home of KTUL)

Brian5
09-14-2007, 05:00 PM
The three ring circus continues. It appears Southwest is issuing an apology, and running a skimpy clothes promotion.

Southwest says 'Sorry' for clothing flap

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070914_wz_swapology.d33a5d07.html


Airline announces fare sale in lighthearted nod to skimpily clothed passenger

http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5j4IzaaoOSr8JNQnmNSfNAKrft7Hw

mike734
09-14-2007, 05:49 PM
It's a shame such an innocent young girl would be put through this madness. In fact, I think she is one of those virgin promise chicks.

JetJocF14
09-14-2007, 07:32 PM
Wait a minute, Isn't this the same airline that had pilots flying naked? :D

Isn't it also true that when a co-pilot is finished with IOE on his first real leg the senior F/A is suspossed to show him her tots...........:eek:

Had a buddy of mine long time ago on his first live leg the F/A came into the cockpit and asked him what color her panties were. He guessed white,,,, to which she pulled her skirt up and said "no red silly". :cool:

JetJocF14
09-14-2007, 07:44 PM
Is that what you FDX guys mean by "scooby snack" :eek:

Yes........Yes it is. Just call me Doctor Galleywockitz.....;)

jetpilot4u
09-18-2007, 03:43 PM
Anyone catch that chick on Dr Phil today???? This girl is just out for attention and some $$$. She's so full of crap....along with that blood sucking lawyer that she hired. No way she'll win in court....just let her spend all her money....Perhaps she can sell her Virgin America tix to get some dough....She's probably too dumb to realize they don't fly out of SAN.

Nealoc187
09-19-2007, 10:12 AM
This girl is just out for attention and some $$$. She's so full of crap

Yep, like most myspace sluts with pictures of themselves in lingerie giving the "shocker" sign to the camera.

Sideshow Bob
09-19-2007, 10:59 AM
Anyone catch that chick on Dr Phil today???? This girl is just out for attention and some $$$. She's so full of crap....along with that blood sucking lawyer that she hired. No way she'll win in court....just let her spend all her money....Perhaps she can sell her Virgin America tix to get some dough....She's probably too dumb to realize they don't fly out of SAN.

She isn't paying...

Ten to one he's a contingency whiplash dirtbag and SWA will give them the goaway money, which will in the end be a savings for them. Mob style extortion with a law degree. Gotta say however, I wouldn't complain if I were sitting across from her in the "club" seating area!

Brian5
11-15-2007, 09:42 PM
Like who didn't see this one coming. Kyla Ebbert is going to pose for Playboy. The poor girl is still in shock over the trauma from Southwest.

http://www.playboy.com/arts-entertainment/features/southwest-ebbert/kyla-ebbert-01.html

the King
11-16-2007, 10:56 AM
Yeah, and an article came out about that. Here's the link:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21834395/?GT1=10547

Hey Vagabond, what do you think of the last two paragraphs?