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John Pennekamp
09-18-2007, 05:57 AM
I'm sure this has been discussed here, but I searched and couldn't find it.

For those of you who have gone to class at United, what's the pay situation in training? Is training in DEN? Do they put you up or are you on your own? What bases/equipment are people getting?

Thanks


pilotgolfer
09-18-2007, 06:18 AM
John,

You get paid the 70 hour guarantee at $31.66 an hour. No Perdiem, you pay for the hotel, training is in Denver, and the first class is next Monday. (10 airbus, 10 guppy...all to DCA).

There is a website that has a bunch more info...they will send you the user name and password with the job offer letter.

Scott

John Pennekamp
09-18-2007, 06:42 AM
Thanks..........


Sike
09-18-2007, 06:43 AM
You get paid the 70 hour guarantee at $31.66 an hour. No Perdiem, you pay for the hotel, training is in Denver, and the first class is next Monday. (10 airbus, 10 guppy...all to DCA).

God that sounds horrible.

IndyAir Guy
09-18-2007, 06:52 AM
Oh my... you have got to be kidding me? They dont pay for your hotel room?? What about Per Diem, they have to pay that right? I have flown for some of the worst dirt bag carriers out there and even they paid for your hotel room. And whats with the RJ-like pay rates? I never thought that I would say this but it sounds like qualified guys may not be able to afford going to United. Here is a quick math check:

Monthly pay- $2,216.2
After 18% Tax- 1,817.12
Split a $80 hotel room with a buddy that snorze all nite - $1,200
Whats left to send home to the wife not including food - $617.12

Even if the pay per diem your most likely going to drink and it and eat it anyway.

John Pennekamp
09-18-2007, 08:16 AM
Oh my... you have got to be kidding me? They dont pay for your hotel room?? What about Per Diem, they have to pay that right? I have flown for some of the worst dirt bag carriers out there and even they paid for your hotel room. And whats with the RJ-like pay rates? I never thought that I would say this but it sounds like qualified guys may not be able to afford going to United. Here is a quick math check:

Monthly pay- $2,216.2
After 18% Tax- 1,817.12
Split a $80 hotel room with a buddy that snorze all nite - $1,200
Whats left to send home to the wife not including food - $617.12

Even if the pay per diem your most likely going to drink and it and eat it anyway.

FWIW every crappy regional I've ever worked at at least paid for the hotel, even if you didn't get guarantee or perdiem in training. Almost every regional now pays for everything.

Guess the majors figure qualified pilots are a surplus and it's a seller's market. They may be surprised to learn how many qualified pilots interview and turn THEM down because they can't afford it.

FlyByCable
09-18-2007, 08:50 AM
Oh my... you have got to be kidding me? They dont pay for your hotel room?? What about Per Diem, they have to pay that right? I have flown for some of the worst dirt bag carriers out there and even they paid for your hotel room. And whats with the RJ-like pay rates? I never thought that I would say this but it sounds like qualified guys may not be able to afford going to United. Here is a quick math check:

Monthly pay- $2,216.2
After 18% Tax- 1,817.12
Split a $80 hotel room with a buddy that snorze all nite - $1,200
Whats left to send home to the wife not including food - $617.12

Even if the pay per diem your most likely going to drink and it and eat it anyway.



But, It's UNITED!!! Don't you know that everyone wants to work there?:D

Sideshow Bob
09-18-2007, 09:05 AM
Oh my... you have got to be kidding me? They dont pay for your hotel room?? What about Per Diem, they have to pay that right? I have flown for some of the worst dirt bag carriers out there and even they paid for your hotel room. And whats with the RJ-like pay rates? I never thought that I would say this but it sounds like qualified guys may not be able to afford going to United. Here is a quick math check:

Monthly pay- $2,216.2
After 18% Tax- 1,817.12
Split a $80 hotel room with a buddy that snorze all nite - $1,200
Whats left to send home to the wife not including food - $617.12

Even if the pay per diem your most likely going to drink and it and eat it anyway.

Has UAL always been that cheesy? In the boomdays I guess it was easier to ignore because you likely could have held captain by year four and everything was coming up roses (notwithstanding the dotcom relaities of passenger carrier financials that nobody wanted to acknowledge). In the '80's, UseLess Air paid for the room...Tilton would likely say that's why they went Chapter 11 before UAL...

The two non-scheds I flew for years back at least paid for hotel during training. Maybe Tilton could reduce his undeserved bonus 1% and buy the newhires that he will scavenge off of a hotel room and a Subway sandwich once a day.

What a tremendous fall from grace...

7576FO
09-18-2007, 09:09 AM
I'm at AA. But, if I was 40yrs or younger, i'd go to UAL if offered a job. Yeah, it's sucks that right now they're not paying for room and per diem.

If you can get through the 1st year on credit cards and are under 40 yrs old,
the future is looking better for the Legacy carriers.

Pay for a Hotel or pay for a 737 type and try to get on at SWA.

Hey, I was a commuter/regional guy. I remember lots of guys that couldn't afford to try for the majors due to large house payments, kids, heroin addiction (just kidding).

But if you can, even UAL which has no domestic duty rigs right now, but will get better on their next contract, I think it'd be a great move.

But hey, i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

328dude
09-18-2007, 04:32 PM
Funny, met a bunch of new hires at the Double Tree last night on a DEN overnight at the bar. Money didn't seem to be a problem when the tab came. Lot's of credit cards flying around.

Good bunch of guys nontheless.

ghilis101
09-18-2007, 05:08 PM
is the pay scale on APC up to date? i dont have room to talk but man thats just absolutely terrible for a legacy

pilotgolfer
09-18-2007, 06:06 PM
Funny, met a bunch of new hires at the Double Tree last night on a DEN overnight at the bar. Money didn't seem to be a problem when the tab came. Lot's of credit cards flying around.

Good bunch of guys nontheless.


I'll bet you a month's pay that they weren't new hires.

SKMarz
09-19-2007, 01:24 AM
The practice of UAL not paying for a hotel during training has been in place since at least 99', it is not a new policy. Some folks get hooked up in a crash pad or rent a room to keep the cost in check.

On the other hand, the pay scale is pretty dismal and you can look at the post 9/11 (translation: bankruptcy) era for that added insult to injury. No signs of it getting better any time soon.

Having said that, UAL is still better than a lot of non-majors out there. Got to find that out for myself while I was furloughed for two years.

7576FO
09-19-2007, 04:34 AM
Dec 09 I believe is when UAL can amend their contract.
Hopefully AS will lead the way, then my AA will get a decent contract. UAL would have to get better. Things can't stay the same at UAL is my opinion. So for those who say "I'd never work there" I think you're missing an opportunity. If you're young/er and can look beyond 2010 then apply. I have friends at UAL that are no happy to miserable right now. But they do believe things will not stay the same.
At AA our contract is ammenable May 08'
We still have 2367 furloughed. We are recalling, I think 2 years b4 we hire.
Go to UAL asap if you can.
I think it's wrong for UAL not to pay lodging. But in the long run. Well say no more.

cactusdog16
09-19-2007, 06:26 AM
The practice of UAL not paying for a hotel during training has been in place since at least 99', it is not a new policy. Some folks get hooked up in a crash pad or rent a room to keep the cost in check.

On the other hand, the pay scale is pretty dismal and you can look at the post 9/11 (translation: bankruptcy) era for that added insult to injury. No signs of it getting better any time soon.

Having said that, UAL is still better than a lot of non-majors out there. Got to find that out for myself while I was furloughed for two years.


Couldn't agree with you more, SKMarz. I paid for my own accommodations in '97 too - shared a 2 bedroom apartment with a new-hire classmate. I also provided for my own accommodations when hired with a commuter back in the day - so it's not a practice that's unique to United. The airlines do it because they can.

Back when I was flight instructing and looking for a commuter job, most places required that you pay for your own training as well - usually 10 grand or more. Now THAT I couldn't afford! Paying for my own room in training seemed like a pretty good trade-off to me!

jsled
09-19-2007, 07:00 AM
Oh my... you have got to be kidding me? They dont pay for your hotel room?? What about Per Diem, they have to pay that right? I have flown for some of the worst dirt bag carriers out there and even they paid for your hotel room. And whats with the RJ-like pay rates? I never thought that I would say this but it sounds like qualified guys may not be able to afford going to United. Here is a quick math check:

Monthly pay- $2,216.2
After 18% Tax- 1,817.12
Split a $80 hotel room with a buddy that snorze all nite - $1,200
Whats left to send home to the wife not including food - $617.12

Even if the pay per diem your most likely going to drink and it and eat it anyway.


xxxxxxxxxxxx

LifeNtheFstLne
09-19-2007, 10:02 AM
I'm at AA. But, if I was 40yrs or younger, i'd go to UAL if offered a job. Yeah, it's sucks that right now they're not paying for room and per diem.

If you can get through the 1st year on credit cards and are under 40 yrs old,
the future is looking better for the Legacy carriers.

Pay for a Hotel or pay for a 737 type and try to get on at SWA.

Hey, I was a commuter/regional guy. I remember lots of guys that couldn't afford to try for the majors due to large house payments, kids, heroin addiction (just kidding).

But if you can, even UAL which has no domestic duty rigs right now, but will get better on their next contract, I think it'd be a great move.

But hey, i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

I couldn't agree with you more, and have certainly applied to every legacy that is hiring. I am under 30 without a family depending on me, so it makes it a little easier to contemplate the leap. With UAL only projecting 100 this year, I've not seen any numbers for next year or beyond. Is it still worth getting some face time at AirInc this weekend? Since everyone except for AA is hiring, is there really a best case scenario airline to get on with? It's my humble opinion that whatever company would put the most pilots behind you the quickest would be the best job security. Not to ignite a separate debate, but I'm guessing those of you who are already there would tell me not to try and predict anything. It is hard to forget your hometown airline though...

ugleeual
09-19-2007, 10:07 AM
Don't apply if you don't like the compensation package... it's a free world... but you have to pay for your room!!!

Cheers,
Russ

P.S. Good luck to all the new hires at UAL... I think you will like it in the long run.

contrail67
09-19-2007, 12:36 PM
I'm at AA. But, if I was 40yrs or younger, i'd go to UAL if offered a job. Yeah, it's sucks that right now they're not paying for room and per diem.

If you can get through the 1st year on credit cards and are under 40 yrs old,
the future is looking better for the Legacy carriers.

Pay for a Hotel or pay for a 737 type and try to get on at SWA.

Hey, I was a commuter/regional guy. I remember lots of guys that couldn't afford to try for the majors due to large house payments, kids, heroin addiction (just kidding).

But if you can, even UAL which has no domestic duty rigs right now, but will get better on their next contract, I think it'd be a great move.

But hey, i stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.


Perfect...that is why I have a 11/12 class date at United. Top of the hiring wave...might want to check their retirement numbers before you yap.



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