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Adolphus Coors
09-21-2007, 03:45 PM
I just watched this old video thanks to APC. I think it is worth the download.
For those who didn't know it was there:

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/web_video/commercial_aircraft/flying_aboard_the_lockheed_constellation_200709072 55.html


diamnd15
09-21-2007, 05:10 PM
i like the blanket in front of the window...

av8r4aa
09-21-2007, 07:13 PM
Yep Sonny...... That's the way we did it back in the Connie!


HawkerJet
09-22-2007, 01:29 AM
Yes, great video, to bad it all ended here.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YayAONi07s0

fireman0174
09-22-2007, 03:10 AM
Yep Sonny...... That's the way we did it back in the Connie!
As a young boy, I flew on a Super Connie from Paris to New York. IMO, one of the most beautuful looking airplanes to ever grace the skies.

727C47
09-22-2007, 06:15 AM
when I was a kid ,early 60's the last Connies were still coming into JFK, talk about beauty,and grace.

av8r4aa
09-22-2007, 09:20 AM
After watching the TWA video several times it sure looks
like a great job back then. Flying in a 3 man cockpit, great view
of the USA, Lots of money and time off.

Sure a lot different flying today with the TSA, 80 hour months,
rag tag passengers, noisy,cheap hotels.

Not sure where the class went but this job is just barely 1 step
in front of the Greyhound road warriors.

Oh well, that's why they call it the "good old days"

John Pennekamp
09-22-2007, 09:40 AM
Yes, great video, to bad it all ended here.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YayAONi07s0

"Two great airlines, one great future". For only one of them. Sad to watch and see the TWA livery again. Skynazis.

Sioux39
09-22-2007, 10:04 AM
The part about NDB navigation was my favorite part. Since this video is fifteen minutes long and way too long to be a commerical, where would the flying public see this?

ecloebl
09-22-2007, 10:47 AM
The part about NDB navigation was my favorite part. Since this video is fifteen minutes long and way too long to be a commerical, where would the flying public see this?

Newsreel or short in a movie theater?

seaav8tor
09-22-2007, 11:30 AM
I admire them for running an organized, attention to detail operation back in the early days with such crude equipment and not as much history to learn from compared to what we have today.

With all the techno advancement, and lessons learned from those who went before today we have tremendous advantages they could not foresee.

A spectacular example of how far we have come......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofPH1y9vuw

short edited version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvgSS6kBdU

Adolphus Coors
09-22-2007, 11:47 AM
Talk about good decisions........... Nice job US Air!!!! Other comments i have about this are better kept to myself.;)

TriStar_drvr
09-22-2007, 11:09 PM
If you ever get a long layover in Kansas City, go to the downtown airport and visit the museum. They have a Connie, Martin 404, and are working on a DC-3 all in TWA colors. Also a tremendous amount of airline memorabilia is displayed. The museum is run by volunteers, most of whom were TWA employees. Don't know if it's normal procedure or not, but our "tourguide" let the Captain and myself sit in the cockpits of the Connie and 404. And I thought the 737 cockpit was tight...

schone
09-23-2007, 07:14 PM
"Two great airlines, one great future". For only one of them. Sad to watch and see the TWA livery again. Skynazis.

This is how history went down..... along with PanAm :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkhI6vfRXHI&mode=related&search=

av8r4aa
09-23-2007, 08:10 PM
This is how history went down..... along with PanAm :-(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkhI6vfRXHI&mode=related&search=

Where is the video of Morris Air?
You remember the one where they said
"Welcome aboard, Here is an Application for Employment............ fill it out"

"We will get back with ya"

OR possibly this one?

How bout the wonderful marriage of Cactus and USAir?

Maybe the union of Delta and Western? Those guys sure
loved the "Real Delta boys"

B757200ER
09-24-2007, 07:07 AM
Where is the video of Morris Air?

How bout the wonderful marriage of Cactus and USAir?

Maybe the union of Delta and Western? Those guys sure
loved the "Real Delta boys"

Since you asked: MorrisAir had 400 pilots and 22 737s. SWA bought them, offered 40% of them jobs, and didn't hire the rest. Not right, but small potatoes.

AWA and USAir? Jury still out, but rest assured, no massive furloughs or job losses will occur. They got binding arbitration, too.

Delta & Western? One of the best, most equitable and most successful seniority integrations EVER. Hands down. No furloughs, no loss of seats or status.

And now to AA/TWA---out of 22,500 TWA employees, only 2000 left at AA. THE most inequitable, most one-sided, most UN-American and most destructive seniority integration in airline labor history. Proud of yourself?

I'll bet the arbitrator in US/HP used AA as a model! At least they GOT an arbitrator; AA 'unions' fought seriously to deny TWA employees that process.

FliFast
09-24-2007, 08:26 PM
You forgot Air Cal and American Airlines...date of hire integration.

TWA and Ozark, also DOH.

aa73
09-25-2007, 10:30 AM
Let's just remember that airline management decides if and when to furlough, not the unions. If something happens to the economy and AWA/US starts to furlough, you'll have 1988 USAir hires who were once 737 captains getting furloughed along with 2005 AWA hires.... sound familiar? Had AA not furloughed, we'd be singing a different tune today...right?

My point is this: the AWA/US deal was deemed fair because of binding neutral arbitration - which is definitely the fairest way. But the outcome - 1988 hires feathered in with 2005 hires - rings with some familiarity. And they didn't even get a protected fence with Captain protections.

That said, I'm not making excuses for the AA/TWA debacle. It was most definitely a one-sided deal that kept more AA jobs than TWA jobs. And the process we used - calling our own shots - can hardly be called fair.