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tone
11-19-2007, 01:37 PM
A few months back there was a rumor of AMR increasing recalls to 70 or so a month after hiring more instructors, supposedly by Jan or Feb. Any new info on this anyone? Just curious--


B757200ER
11-19-2007, 03:18 PM
Jan 3 class has only 25, I believe; there should be another class that month, though.

aa73
11-19-2007, 04:12 PM
B757 is correct, first class of 25 in Jan, with probably another 25 in the second class.

So far they are keeping it at 50/month. However, they just hired/recalled another 9 767 instructors... I wouldn't be surprised if it went up.

73


tone
11-19-2007, 05:12 PM
Thanks again----

aa73
11-20-2007, 12:43 PM
Tone,

My bad... they rearranged the Jan plans with a class of 20 on Jan 3 and another class of 20 for Jan 16... so for now it will be 40/month.

73

MoonShot
11-21-2007, 01:44 PM
Folks still thinking mid 2009 before all recalls are back?

aseweepay
11-21-2007, 02:37 PM
Depending on age 65, number of deferals etc.... the thought is late 2008 to mid to late 2009 before all furloughed are offered recall.....

tone
11-21-2007, 03:00 PM
Wonder if AA is a little behind in the recalls? In short, wonder if it changed to age 65 tomorrow, and even if 3 quarters decided to stay, would the recalls still continue, since they are way behind, or would they screetch to a halt. I mean since 911, they have to be short staffed by at least 2000 pilots already, even with airplanes sunbathing in the desert, from retirements that already took place over the past 5 years? (I hope?)Any have some insight? ...

FLYBOYMATTHEW
11-21-2007, 10:20 PM
Are these recalls as a result of retirements? How much will this change when the age 65 rule is approved? I don't see any orders or options for additional a/c (on APC)...how long before they start phasing out the 80s, and what will be the net loss/addition of a/c? Rumor is that AA is behind the curve on replacing an aging fleet.

B757200ER
11-22-2007, 07:19 AM
Wonder if AA is a little behind in the recalls? In short, wonder if it changed to age 65 tomorrow, and even if 3 quarters decided to stay, would the recalls still continue, since they are way behind, or would they screetch to a halt. I mean since 911, they have to be short staffed by at least 2000 pilots already, even with airplanes sunbathing in the desert, from retirements that already took place over the past 5 years?

It's because AA is a reactive com pany, not a proactive one. They're always last to furlough (with the most), then last to recall, usually 6 months too late.

Anyone disagree? aa73?

aa73
11-22-2007, 08:42 AM
B757, no, I absolutely agree with you. It's been that way at AA since Pontius was a pilot. Right now they are limited at 40/month because of saturation at the school house. If they could, they'd go up to 70.

I just got out of recurrent last week. The 40/month is not even covering attrition/MLOAs/absences. They are drastically short every month. And now, with the B fund unit value where it's at, there is a lot of talk about a mass exodus of early retirements next spring.

Now throw in the threat of a job action, on top of the age 65 thing, and I think we'll see a lot more early outs. It's gonna get ugly next year.

BTW, yes, I'm still sticking to my 2009 off-the-street hiring prediction.

73

CE750
11-23-2007, 04:34 AM
I have a very well placed AA pilot recruitment type that tells me with the combination of contract issues, and capacity issues, it's going to be mid to late 2009 before hiring starts..FWIW.

7576FO
11-23-2007, 06:33 AM
I have a very well placed AA pilot recruitment type that tells me with the combination of contract issues, and capacity issues, it's going to be mid to late 2009 before hiring starts..FWIW.

Most of the people in Recruitment are just doing their job, they are not planners of any kind. Except for the top person and my impression is that person would be "Clueless" until recieving the interview spoolup memo.
Most don't even realize that many CA's are approaching their best 5 of last 10 years. We at AA took pay cuts on May 03, so their could be alot of early retirements coming in Feb and Mar 08. Right now the general assumption is 200 maybe more to retire in Jan-Mar 08.
Also the evidence of furloughees defering can/will affect hiring.
Also if we don't give the company any more productivity in the next contract due May 08, then that has a huge relationship to getting furloughees back and possible hiring.