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grant123
11-28-2007, 09:27 PM
Is there a future for UAL? Is UAL looking to improve/grow or just break even? Is UAL now or will it soon to be a place where people will want to work again? What do you think UAL's long term fleet will look like in 15-20 years? Can UAL keep pace with no new aircraft orders? Any more international cities being talked about? Does UAL have any route rights still not being used from the Pan Am purchase?
Thank you.


Slice
11-28-2007, 10:30 PM
If they have next weeks powerball numbers let me know!:rolleyes:

kansas
11-28-2007, 10:46 PM
If they have next weeks powerball numbers let me know!:rolleyes:

Good questions, but my thought exactly...who knows.


bigfatdaddy
11-29-2007, 04:34 AM
Is there a future for UAL? Is UAL looking to improve/grow or just break even? Is UAL now or will it soon to be a place where people will want to work again? What do you think UAL's long term fleet will look like in 15-20 years? Can UAL keep pace with no new aircraft orders? Any more international cities being talked about? Does UAL have any route rights still not being used from the Pan Am purchase?
Thank you.

That is the 64 thousand dollar question. Hopefully the industry has a good year for everyone's sake.

jsled
11-29-2007, 04:55 AM
Is there a future for UAL? Is UAL looking to improve/grow or just break even? Is UAL now or will it soon to be a place where people will want to work again? What do you think UAL's long term fleet will look like in 15-20 years? Can UAL keep pace with no new aircraft orders? Any more international cities being talked about? Does UAL have any route rights still not being used from the Pan Am purchase?
Thank you.

SFO-Guangzhou, LAX-HKK,IAD-KWI,LAX-FRA,DEN-LHR, HKK- Ho Chi Minh, and IAD-PEK are new routes. SO they have that going for them.....which is nice. However, at some point UAL has to quit robbing domestic to fly international and BUY SOME FREAKING AIRPLANES. When will that happen? When management starts running an airline instead of a takeover target.:mad:

REAL Pilot
11-29-2007, 05:15 AM
Maybe the employees should buy the company

Lambourne
11-29-2007, 06:36 AM
Couldn't you substitute AA for everyone of those questions you asked? They are parking MD80's at a rate greater than the 737's they are to get. They are talking about selling the AAAdvantage program and now Eagle is on the block. Does this spell the end of AA and the liquidation of the assets? I don't think so but that seems to always be the analysis of UAL which is very similar to AA.

FlyByCable
11-29-2007, 07:40 AM
SFO-Guangzhou, LAX-HKK,IAD-KWI,LAX-FRA,DEN-LHR, HKK- Ho Chi Minh, and IAD-PEK are new routes. SO they have that going for them.....which is nice. However, at some point UAL has to quit robbing domestic to fly international and BUY SOME FREAKING AIRPLANES. When will that happen? When management starts running an airline instead of a takeover target.:mad:


No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.

ugleeual
11-29-2007, 10:10 AM
rumor is widebody order coming soon... take it for what it's worth :)

bigfatdaddy
11-29-2007, 11:12 AM
rumor is widebody order coming soon... take it for what it's worth :)

Heard that rumor in Chicago as well;)

jsled
11-29-2007, 11:33 AM
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.

I understand that. But at some point they run out of domestic widebodies to redeploy. Then they either quit expanding or buy some new widebodies. I would prefer the latter.:)

jsled
11-29-2007, 01:27 PM
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.

BTW, do you fly the DC-8? Is that the "fly by cable" reference?

REAL Pilot
11-29-2007, 02:55 PM
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.

Not exactly correct for at least two reasons: first, international deployment requires higher aircraft utilization thus an increase in flight hours. Second, most (Pacific anyway) international requires crew augmentation thus increasing crew requirements.

pilotss
12-01-2007, 12:51 PM
No they don't. They will just continue to outsource domestic flying to the regionals and redeploy previous domestic widebodies to international flying. The net gain is ZERO growth.

I understand that the domestic market is to be the weakest market in the next few years and the international flying margins are projected to be greater. You will see the majors focusing on their international routes for expansion or just better profit.

I think it is the right move.

alvrb211
12-03-2007, 12:25 PM
Doesn't AA still have over 300 Mad Dogs?
The PW engines must be very expensive to operate in this climate. If they disposed of one Mad Dog per month it would take the best part of 3 decades to get them all off the property.

AL

bigfatdaddy
12-03-2007, 12:34 PM
Doesn't AA still have over 300 Mad Dogs?
The PW engines must be very expensive to operate in this climate. If they disposed of one Mad Dog per month it would take the best part of 3 decades to get them all off the property.

AL

Change is definitely in the air for many of the players. Perhaps many are waiting on the next development in the super-efficient small narrow bodies before commiting to fleet renewal for those frames.

Bucking Bar
12-03-2007, 06:34 PM
Doesn't AA still have over 300 Mad Dogs?
The PW engines must be very expensive to operate in this climate. If they disposed of one Mad Dog per month it would take the best part of 3 decades to get them all off the property.

AL
They burn twice the fuel of a 50 seat RJ and carry more than three times the load, further, with less performance restrictions. They never, hardly ever, break and cost nearly nothing to own. They serve as a paid up accumulator - they can be parked without payments in the event of a down turn. They are quieter and more comfortable than other narrow body equipment. There is still a few factors going for the venerable super DC-9.

Just like BigFatDaddy said, it will take a very efficient plastic version of a 737 to interest managers in a replacement and even then, the MD's are just so good at doing the job it is going to be an uphill battle to justify $70,000,000.00 to replace a paid for DC-9.

Pilotpip
12-03-2007, 07:04 PM
Yeah, fuel savings are pretty much a moot point if you're blowing a few million a month leasing or paying off the replacements.

bifff15
12-04-2007, 05:15 AM
Is there a future for UAL? Is UAL looking to improve/grow or just break even? Is UAL now or will it soon to be a place where people will want to work again? What do you think UAL's long term fleet will look like in 15-20 years? Can UAL keep pace with no new aircraft orders? Any more international cities being talked about? Does UAL have any route rights still not being used from the Pan Am purchase?
Thank you.

The future was so bright I quit after ten years...

contrail67
12-04-2007, 08:43 AM
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Deez340
12-04-2007, 09:51 AM
They burn twice the fuel of a 50 seat RJ and carry more than three times the load, further, with less performance restrictions. They never, hardly ever, break and cost nearly nothing to own. They serve as a paid up accumulator - they can be parked without payments in the event of a down turn. They are quieter and more comfortable than other narrow body equipment. There is still a few factors going for the venerable super DC-9.

Just like BigFatDaddy said, it will take a very efficient plastic version of a 737 to interest managers in a replacement and even then, the MD's are just so good at doing the job it is going to be an uphill battle to justify $70,000,000.00 to replace a paid for DC-9.

Bucking Bar speaks truth. Although a fair amount of maddogs are leased so those do become more vulnerable as fuel creeps ever higher. If it's paid off and wholly owned it could fly for a very long time. The last i heard was at least until 2016 and yes they are holding out for the dreamliner style narrow body to be born.

Lighteningspeed
12-04-2007, 10:15 AM
The future was so bright I quit after ten years...
What happened? Was it the slow upgrade time or the pay and QOL issue?