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nicale
07-21-2008, 12:26 AM
I have lots of PIC and SIC time on ERJ, also a 747 type, but do not have 747 flying experience. Willing to be Based in middle east, Asia, or Europe. Which Airlines are my best bets as a US Citizen.


Thedude
07-21-2008, 09:38 AM
Good luck on a 74 gig. There are quite a few of us out here that have quite a few hours in the 74 as Capts and are having a hard time finding a job mainly because the classics are going away very quickly.
Head over to climbto350. there seems to be quite few active jobs for RJ drivers (if you have 500-1000PIC in type) and most are paying as much as 74 jobs.

atpcliff
07-22-2008, 10:37 AM
Hi!

PM me your email-I'm doing a jobs email for USA Jet furloughees.
LOTS of Asia.747 jobs.

cliff
MCI


atpcliff
07-22-2008, 11:58 AM
Hi.



Now Hiring:
Cathay (US Basing if U want), Atlas/Polar (more or less home basing), XOJet, SWA, Net Jets, Allegiant, ATI (home basing), World, Hawaiin, Shenzen (China), Compass [Compass: 1 recent hire had a 24 day span between submitting his app and starting systems class (indoc is done at home on a computer)], and Pinnacle needs an Asst Chief Pilot in DTW, and Republic needs a Chief Pilot in CMH.
UPS should be hiring soon, and I think DAL and/or NWA will also. Sep 12 SWA is having an open house in DEN (http://www.panamacademy.com/a_home/index.html (http://www.panamacademy.com/a_home/index.html)).



Contract Pilot Threads:
http://forums.propilotworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=84 (http://forums.propilotworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=84)
http://forums.propilotworld.com/showthread.php?t=2158 (http://forums.propilotworld.com/showthread.php?t=2158)

Job Boards:
http://www.flycontract.com/ (http://www.flycontract.com/)
http://www.jet-professionals.com/index.php?module=joblistings&func=view (http://www.jet-professionals.com/index.php?module=joblistings&func=view)
http://climbto350.com/ (http://climbto350.com/)
http://jsfirm.com/searchjobs.asp (http://jsfirm.com/searchjobs.asp)
http://www.findapilot.com/index.php (http://www.findapilot.com/index.php)

Overseas Flying is where the $ is AT, and http://www.pprune.org/forums/ (http://www.pprune.org/forums/) is where to find a ton of info. It's the “Flightinfo” of Non-North American aviation.
Middle East:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/middle-east-44/ (http://www.pprune.org/forums/middle-east-44/)
Hong Kong:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/fragrant-harbour-wannabes-99/ (http://www.pprune.org/forums/fragrant-harbour-wannabes-99/)
Southeast Asia:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/south-asia-far-east-45/ (http://www.pprune.org/forums/south-asia-far-east-45/)

Foreign Air Employment Threads:
http://forums.propilotworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27 (http://forums.propilotworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=27)
http://forums.flightinfo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=79 (http://forums.flightinfo.com/forumdisplay.php?f=79)
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/ (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/)
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=114361 (http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=114361)
Foreign Contract Agencies Threads:
http://forums.propilotworld.com/showthread.php?t=313 (http://forums.propilotworld.com/showthread.php?t=313)
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=114025 (http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=114025)

Flight Crew Personnel, Aviation Jobs, Aviation Maintenance Jobs, Flight Crew Jobs- Parc Aviation (http://www.parcaviation.aero/)
Aeroprofessional - Jobs for Flight Deck and Cabin Crew (http://www.aeroprofessional.com/)
AeroPersonnel Global (http://www.aeropersonnel.com/)
Aviation Jobs. Aerospace Jobs. Jobs in Aviation. Pilots Jobs (http://www.aviationjobsearch.com/)
Aviation Jobs, Pilot Jobs and Pilot Employment Opportunities (http://www.avianation.com/) and Pilot Jobs, Aviation Jobs, Aviation Employment, Career Fairs, Job Fairs (http://www.climbto350.com/) (altho everyone knows 'em)
www.directpersonnel.com (http://www.directpersonnel.com/)
Aviation Recruitment, Jobs, Asia, Middle East, Europe, positions, aviation appointments, job search : Sigmar Aviation (http://www.sigmaraviation.com/)
www.flitedeckrecruitment.com (http://www.flitedeckrecruitment.com/)
hawaiianaviation.com (http://www.hawaiianaviation.com/)
http://www.wasinc.net/employment.aspx (http://www.hawaiianaviation.com/)






from “Typhoon Pilot” at:
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/28631-getting-ready-furlough-help.html (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/28631-getting-ready-furlough-help.html)
Good post from Koru with some good ideas, but as an American citizen I still advise to stay away from U.S. contract agencies. Therefore GAP for KAL and HACS for Japan are probably not the best idea. Not that there is anything wrong with those agencies, but life is far simplier if you do not get a 1099 form from your employer. I would reccommend either Cambridge Communications ( very good reputation ) for KAL or PARC ( also good ) for Japan if you are a U.S. citizen.

I would avoid Rishworth based on their reputation.

All that said, as a 737 First Officer your options are limited. It's far easier to get a job as a captain on the foreign contracts. Others that hire first officers are Cathay Cargo, Viva Macau, Gulf Air, Air Arabia, China Airlines, EVA Airways, Jazeera Airways, Saudi Arabian, Saudi Aramco, as well as those mentioned by Koru. You might try to get a recurrent session in the CRJ and that could put you in a position to get a CRJ captain position somewhere like Arik in Nigeria as well as some of the Chinese operators.







From: Unknown on some thread:
“WASINC will give you the PIC type if you want to do the Shenzen 737 contract. give them a call and request to speak with Doug Ward or Dave Ross.” (maybe only for guys with 737 time???



http://www.wasinc.net/employment.aspx (http://www.wasinc.net/employment.aspx)

Specific Asian companies that are hiring:
Tiger Airways, Singapore
BJETS: http://www.bjets.com/Introduction.html (http://www.bjets.com/Introduction.html)
Etihad (U.A.E.) just ordered 100 widebody jets-Aug Road Shows (for the 1st time) in the US (*need 100 GLASS jet):
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/28706-etihad-airways-us-roadshows.html (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/28706-etihad-airways-us-roadshows.html)
http://www.etihadairways.com/etihadairways/us/en/home/home (http://www.etihadairways.com/etihadairways/us/en/home/home)
Emirates is interviewing, but sounds like no hiring 'til Jan '09
http://emirates.com/us/english/ (http://emirates.com/us/english/)
Qatar Airways:
http://www.qatarairways.com/global/en/homepage.html (http://www.qatarairways.com/global/en/homepage.html)
Shanghai Airlines???
Korean Air Lines:
http://www.kal-ccl.com/Index.asp?RPage=3 (http://www.kal-ccl.com/Index.asp?RPage=3)
Japan Contract:
Available Positions Through Crew Resources Worldwide (http://www.crewresourcesworldwide.com/positions.htm)
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=114317 (http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=114317)
http://japanpilots.19.forumer.com/ (http://japanpilots.19.forumer.com/)
http://www.pprune.org/forums/south-asia-far-east/247182-b767-ana-jp-express.html (http://www.pprune.org/forums/south-asia-far-east/247182-b767-ana-jp-express.html)
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/2477-jalways.html (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/2477-jalways.html)

Relief Flying:
http://www.maf.org/ (http://www.maf.org/)
http://www.airserv.org/ (http://www.airserv.org/)

If you want to find out about contract civilian flying in the Middle East warzones, go to:
http://aptap.org/ (http://aptap.org/)
We've had 2 of our guys flying King Airs over there for about $30K/month.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hiring-news/27211-looking-contract-flying-iraq-afghanistan.html (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/hiring-news/27211-looking-contract-flying-iraq-afghanistan.html)
Oh, and there's a Caravan instructor position paying $180? $240/year, or something like that. Based in Pakistan. Prefer if you speak Farzi. A little too much excitement for me, plus I'm average at languages and Farzi, I'm told, is VERY difficult.

Cliff
MCI
PM me if U want to email

atpcliff
07-22-2008, 12:00 PM
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nicale
07-22-2008, 02:15 PM
Wow. Thanks for the wealth of info. Definatly a great help. I will PM you as soon as I have the 10 posts.

Thedude
07-22-2008, 04:53 PM
Not to rain on your parade but I can tell you this.

India - If you don't have 100 PIC in type the DGCA will not recognize your type rating. I am not sure if this applies to corp airplanes or just to the airliners

China - CACC has suspended all license conversion and foreign medical applicants until the olympics are over.

Emirates - canceling interviews until further notice. (Mine was cancelled too)

Thedude
07-23-2008, 10:14 PM
LOTS of Asia.747 jobs.



If your current in the -400 and have 500 PIC in it, then yes

KoruPilot
07-24-2008, 03:52 AM
I wrote my Chinese ATPL last week; in China.

They thought that the problem might be getting the work/residence visa secured over the Olympic period, but as I was in the Chinese consulate today dealing with some paperwork I figured I'd ask; apparently not a problem to get one at any time.

There are a number of Asian carriers that will hire you without a B744 type rating or any time on type. I know this because I've been hired by one. Some in Asia, Like Korean, want the rating, some don't, and some still fly classics. Jett8 was looking not too long ago for classic drivers to be Singapore based.

I'm not sure where you've been looking Dude, or who you've been speaking with, but you should try a few different places and you might come up with what you're looking for.

Good luck with it.

Tweet46
07-24-2008, 07:53 AM
Congrats Koru!! I'll PM you later. Say hey to P.

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Thedude
07-24-2008, 09:56 AM
I wrote my Chinese ATPL last week; in China.

They thought that the problem might be getting the work/residence visa secured over the Olympic period, but as I was in the Chinese consulate today dealing with some paperwork I figured I'd ask; apparently not a problem to get one at any time.

There are a number of Asian carriers that will hire you without a B744 type rating or any time on type. I know this because I've been hired by one. Some in Asia, Like Korean, want the rating, some don't, and some still fly classics. Jett8 was looking not too long ago for classic drivers to be Singapore based.

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The one recruiter I have been speaking with said the company has suspended interviewing/screening until the Olympics are over and the Chinese wont convert any license for the same period. Not to mention, I just found out the the CAAC wont recognize a temp lic to do a conversion, you have to wait to get the permanet from the Feds.

I too am looking at a non type rated job but I have to initially buy the -400 type with a reimbursement over X years. Before I do that I need a job offer mainly because $15k aint chump change. To my knowledge there is currently only one Chinese carrier that will hire you with out a -400 type and will recognize time in the -200. As the year progress we shall see what happens.

Of course there is a carrier in SZX that wants you to put up a $50k bond to go work for them. When I say bond, they really mean $50k or your money in Chinese bank. Yeah, I think not.

Maybe a work visa is a different story but then again if you have been in China long enough you know they created beaurcracy.

Jett8 is only hiring F/Os right now in the classic. Being an f/o is not a problem but the fact they they dont pay for any housing or taxes and since Singapore is a VERY expensive place. So one would litleally be the working poor for that job. That is assuming the pay is what they sent me last year. $4k/month

Plus MKAir went out of biz back at the end of May and that put quite a few more 74 drivers on the street.

What I am trying to say is, on the surface there looks like there a quite a few jobs out there. When you start doing some digging you start finding out otherwise.

KoruPilot
07-24-2008, 10:06 PM
MK was back in the air the following week; did they stop again? Their new financiers were also talking about 744's for them.

Bummer about Jett8. It does make me wonder who the heck they are getting.

The Olympics are over in a couple of months, so I am curious as to why they would stop recruiting. The B744 type takes six weeks, and mine starts in three, so the time line is really not a problem.

I went in with a bunch of 777 time, which frankly is more similar to the 744 than the classic (I'm also rated on the classic). There is no money up front and though they did require a bank bond in the past, they now only require that you sign the normal training bond, pro-rated over three years. I should mention that they do want a fair bit of part 121 command time, and that could perhaps be a sticker for some. Also, a lack of glass time is becoming a problem, or so it would appear.

I have to say that so far my guy's have been very easy to deal with. I had my own handler and was put up in a nice furnished apartment for the duration of exams and medicals (two of each). As far as beauracracies, I've found the Chinese CAAC and Consulate people to be not only friendly, but as or more efficient than the western ones that I have dealt with.

Which contract agency are you dealing with? I have found that it can be not only the agency, but also the specific recruiter that can make or break even getting a contract.

I think that if you keep looking you will find after the Olympics the hiring picks up quite quickly. Right now many of the big airlines think there will be a plethora of Americans with all sorts of time and in their 30's desperate for jobs; they always do this, and they always end up with a shortage.

cesnacaptn
07-31-2008, 11:52 AM
There's something I don't understand about contract work. I have about 7000 hours, 1800 pic CRJ, and about 1500 SIC 737 with a PIC type rating. It looks like I'm basically qualified for a 737 copilot job (probably not captain CRJ since it's been 2 years). How does one progress in his career. Without say 500 hours PIC 737, will I ever be able to get a captain slot? How about widebodies? It seems like all the jobs want time in type or similar type.