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JOEL
10-03-2008, 10:03 PM
Hi Guys,

Gotta call from India to fly ERJ-170/190.

Can anyone tell me about experience flying in India?:confused:


proskuneho
10-04-2008, 04:27 AM
Are they hiring you as a captain? There is an initiative in India to get rid of all ex-pat pilots as soon as they have enough qualified Indians. There are so many Indian pilots looking for FO jobs right now, and the government wants to put them to work. I'd hate to go out there and have to go home against my will because they found an Indian pilot to fill my seat.

jetjockee
10-05-2008, 07:24 AM
First ask yourself.....How hungry am I ?

Flying in India is a whole different arena....I have been in India many times and its one place I don't care for...Initially seeing India is an eye opener and there are some cool things to see, However, India is third world country...There is quite of bit of poverty....its very dirty, pollution rate is way up there, driving down the road you see people defecating in the weeds. Food is marginal..
Plan on being in the Hotel 99% time...
what else you want to know?


frozenboxhauler
10-05-2008, 11:07 AM
I've been there many times. Some parts of society are depressing, while others are fantastic!
ATC is very hard to get a hold of, with EVERYONE stepping on each other. I hope you are a "fast" listener.
Have fun, you'll never forget the experience.
cheers,
fbh

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
10-05-2008, 02:08 PM
Hi Guys,

Gotta call from India to fly ERJ-170/190.

Can anyone tell me about experience flying in India?:confused:
I know very little about flying in India except the few times I’ve flown into Bombay (Mumbai) and personally I think they have the worst ATC in the world. In fact, flying into Shanghai (China) it feels like coming back home again when compared to India.

They think they speak English but they speak ‘Indish’ instead which is a heavily accented version of it – very hard to understand especially since they tend to speak really fast.

It’s a beautiful country but you haven’t seen true wealth or seen real poverty until you’ve been in India.

Giggity
10-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Every square inch of that country that isn't paved is toilet.

hoover
10-05-2008, 06:23 PM
Are they hiring you as a captain? There is an initiative in India to get rid of all ex-pat pilots as soon as they have enough qualified Indians. There are so many Indian pilots looking for FO jobs right now, and the government wants to put them to work. I'd hate to go out there and have to go home against my will because they found an Indian pilot to fill my seat.


make sure if you go through a crew leasing company that they guarentee the pay for X amount of years. if they do kick you out then at least you can still get paid while being back in the US.

Hope you like the smell of cury. as it eminates out their pores.

Whatnameisleft
10-05-2008, 09:53 PM
I think that Giggity said it best! "Every square inch of that country that isn't paved is toilet." I flew out of Delhi and Bombay, to every major city in that country. Pollution, Poverty, Fatal Traffic, Over Population, people who do not know the meaning of Soap or Deoderant! ATC literally trying to kill you! Good luck understanding their English! Go for a walk and enjoy the multible piles of human defication on the sidewalks. Try to understand the morality of a civilization that condones public displays of homosexuality, but considers it illegal to display heterosexual affection in public! Remember, Richard Gere was indicted by the Indian Attorney General for hugging and kissing the cheek of an Indian actress in public! It is a Religiously and morally warped society! You will never want to leave the hotel when you are off duty! Enjoy "Incredible India!"

JOEL
10-06-2008, 01:58 AM
Any one who has flow Embraer in India??

I hear they are recruiting lot of ERJ 170/190 captains. My agent tells me that lot of Captains have been contacted. Any one of You?????

yancharlie
10-06-2008, 10:05 AM
Dude listen!
you better off hanging around the U.S. for another three years until things start taking a big turn around in this industry. They will be a lot of hiring coming up the next three years, and airlines will not choose you to fly for them but you will choose who you want to go fly for. Going to India so you can fly, believe me you don't want to do that....

useless
10-06-2008, 10:37 AM
you can go out and see some of this world and experience a new culture and see how other people live and work or you can hide in the USA. The world isn't all sunshine and lollipops. just try to do a little research before you go and know all the details.

A320 Pilot
10-08-2008, 02:33 AM
make sure if you go through a crew leasing company that they guarentee the pay for X amount of years. if they do kick you out then at least you can still get paid while being back in the US.

Hope you like the smell of cury. as it eminates out their pores.

I guess you have never eaten anything else in your life except burgers and french fries @ Mc Donalds,and I wonder what eminates from your pores.I am an Indian and very proud to be one and I can list countless valid reasons for that.U.S.A. is supposed to be a First world country and also the richest country in the world and the whole world got see the mess after Katrina,dead bodies floating in the streets,hungry and desperate people abondened in the streets.Whenever I have a layover in Los Angeles and take a walk from my hotel I can see the streets under the bridges which have been turned into virtual toilets.Airlines in India pay a whole lot better compared to most of the U.S.carriers,atleast FOs in India are not makin poverty level wages unlike here in U.S.where a great majority of Pilots are eligible for food stamps.Whenever I am back in India and I get to meet my friends who are flying there,I am embaressed to mention my first world wages.Those of you who have never stepped out of your nests,go out and see the world,it is going to be a great experience.

jet320
10-08-2008, 03:28 AM
quote=A320 Pilot;475464]I guess you have never eaten anything else in your life except burgers and french fries @ Mc Donalds,and I wonder what eminates from your pores. And those smelling cockpits in India emanate what? Do your fellow Captains in US eat with there hands or they used a fork?I am an Indian and very proud to be one and I can list countless valid reasons for that.U.S.A. is supposed to be a First world country and also the richest country in the world and the whole world got see the mess after Katrina,dead bodies floating in the streets,hungry and desperate people abondened in the streets. Hey I saw the same in India, and with huge amounts of people living and dying under the bridge in Mumbai, Pune where I was based, at Calcutta WORST!!! and Bangalore Dehli Jaipur, etc.... Whenever I have a layover in Los Angeles and take a walk from my hotel I can see the streets under the bridges which have been turned into virtual toilets. People in India used the streets the as toilets!!!!!!!!Airlines in India pay a whole lot better compared to most of the U.S.carriers,atleast FOs in India are not makin poverty level wages unlike here in U.S. Indian aviation has the second largest amount of losses in the world. And the salaries are tax free, 9000 USD!!! Ask around most expats are bailing out. And most Indian pilots where looking to get some experience to hit the road!!!! 5000 usd is what they where paying in KiNG.
where a great majority of Pilots are eligible for food stamps.Whenever I am back in India and I get to meet my friends who are flying there,I am embaressed to mention my first world wages. The last time I remember, the USA is a Democratic country like India, if you don't like your job, stop criticizing you poor way of living, and get out!!!!!Those of you who have never stepped out of your nests,go out and see the world,it is going to be a great experience.[/quote]

I flew for Kingfisher for a year I have lived in India, Costa Rica, Peru, Jordan, and the US...India is great country, don't get me wrong, the US is simply great!!! There is no place like America.

Hey why don't you go there to Kingfisher or Indian Airlines, or Go Air?

A320 Pilot
10-09-2008, 08:32 AM
quote=A320 Pilot;475464]I guess you have never eaten anything else in your life except burgers and french fries @ Mc Donalds,and I wonder what eminates from your pores. And those smelling cockpits in India emanate what? Do your fellow Captains in US eat with there hands or they used a fork?I am an Indian and very proud to be one and I can list countless valid reasons for that.U.S.A. is supposed to be a First world country and also the richest country in the world and the whole world got see the mess after Katrina,dead bodies floating in the streets,hungry and desperate people abondened in the streets. Hey I saw the same in India, and with huge amounts of people living and dying under the bridge in Mumbai, Pune where I was based, at Calcutta WORST!!! and Bangalore Dehli Jaipur, etc.... Whenever I have a layover in Los Angeles and take a walk from my hotel I can see the streets under the bridges which have been turned into virtual toilets. People in India used the streets the as toilets!!!!!!!!Airlines in India pay a whole lot better compared to most of the U.S.carriers,atleast FOs in India are not makin poverty level wages unlike here in U.S. Indian aviation has the second largest amount of losses in the world. And the salaries are tax free, 9000 USD!!! Ask around most expats are bailing out. And most Indian pilots where looking to get some experience to hit the road!!!! 5000 usd is what they where paying in KiNG.
where a great majority of Pilots are eligible for food stamps.Whenever I am back in India and I get to meet my friends who are flying there,I am embaressed to mention my first world wages. The last time I remember, the USA is a Democratic country like India, if you don't like your job, stop criticizing you poor way of living, and get out!!!!!Those of you who have never stepped out of your nests,go out and see the world,it is going to be a great experience.

I flew for Kingfisher for a year I have lived in India, Costa Rica, Peru, Jordan, and the US...India is great country, don't get me wrong, the US is simply great!!! There is no place like America.

Hey why don't you go there to Kingfisher or Indian Airlines, or Go Air?[/quote]
You are trying to lecture one of the greatest civilisations in the world.Eating with your hands does not make someone less civilised or using a fork does not make you more civilised.And I am not the only one who critices poverty level wages here in US,its a whole bunch of American pilots who do the same aswell as that is a fact,now where are they supposed to go???There is no place like home for you its US and for people like me who eat with their hands it is India.

I have already made a huge mistake by quitting my nice cushy job @ Singapore Airlines and this time when I decide to go to Kingfisher,Indian Airlines or Go Air I will take my time but thanks for giving me all those multiple choices as I was not AWARE of them.

Indian aviation is suffering losses due to rapid expansion and as any person with some common sense would know that its hard to generate profits when you are expanding like crazy.Expats are bailing out because they know they will be booted out by 2010.

USA is like my second motherland,I have a great amount of respect for it but at the same time it has its positives and negatives just like any other country.

sinsilvia666
10-09-2008, 09:39 AM
I have heard from Continental mainline guys that when you flew in on I believe they said a Tuesday, they use that day to cremate their dead so as you descent you get whiffs of burning flesh on your approach to Mumbai!

A320 Pilot
10-09-2008, 01:16 PM
I have heard from Continental mainline guys that when you flew in on I believe they said a Tuesday, they use that day to cremate their dead so as you descent you get whiffs of burning flesh on your approach to Mumbai!

Tell those ignorant Continental Guys,that Hindus Cremate all week long and not just on Tuesdays.I am surprised they did not smell the burning flesh in Delhi but only in Mumbai,Continental does fly to Delhi on Tuesday.

Maybe they should tell their brilliant management to stop flying to India.

Vspeeds
10-09-2008, 02:13 PM
Hi Guys,

Gotta call from India to fly ERJ-170/190.

Can anyone tell me about experience flying in India?:confused:

Well, flying experience in India is very/extremely bad! (For Starters)

Like some dude mentioned, people keep steppin' on each other (Very Freakin' True)
The controller keeps asking you your "DME" from the XYZ fix, Freaking Constantly! (Like its timed with each breath he/she takes)
Since, English is not their "Native Lingo" but the for some reason are considered or classified as "Native Speakers" is "Horrendous"
They for some reason also have a habit of vectoring you in the "Eye of a Thunderstorm"
They definitely for sure throw in, For Example, "You are 20 Track Miles" from touch down. (I already know how many track miles I am, bud)
Also in their part of the World they are not "Familiar" with "phonetically" telling you which fix to proceed or go direct to. They just mumble something & expect folks, not familiar with it, to just proceed to it. (By Correctly Guessing, I guess)
Frequencies tend to get pretty congested cuz people tend to talk a lot. (Cuz of Language issues)
You only get your Departure Clearance when you are taxing to the active R/Wy or busy doing your "Before T/O Checklist" & they (ATC) very conveniently rattle off a bunch of stuff w/o askin', if you ready to copy!
Also when you ask for "Push & Start" Clearance you have to mention "number of Pax on board & THROUGH SECURITY" Honestly, I don't know if they went thru security cuz I never saw 'em go thru. But, apparently, if you don't say it to be "legally correct" ATC insists on you saying "Thru Security"
Another "terminology" you will hear, quite frequently, in that region (& Middle East) is "Charlie Charlie" its their way of saying/acknowledging "Roger or Affirmative". ( I never use it)

All in all, its not a pleasant experience! (Over all)

Hope this helps!

Good Luck Bud!

Fly safe y'all!

Led Zep
10-09-2008, 05:11 PM
First ask yourself.....How hungry am I ?

Never ever hungry enough! :D

On a serious note, avoid non-bottled water and don't breathe the air and you will be fine. :D

A320 Pilot
10-09-2008, 05:45 PM
India is the only country where a RJ Capt.or an ATR Capt.makes over $10,000,you are never gonna make that kind of money flying RJs in USA and you will be treated like an airline pilot should be teated with great deal of respect unlike in USA where every body is barkin @ you including TSA

Pilotpip
10-09-2008, 06:01 PM
I hope you like curry...

The Juice
10-09-2008, 07:01 PM
Tell those ignorant Continental Guys,that Hindus Cremate all week long and not just on Tuesdays.I am surprised they did not smell the burning flesh in Delhi but only in Mumbai,Continental does fly to Delhi on Tuesday.

Maybe they should tell their brilliant management to stop flying to India.

So burining flesh 7 days a week, not just one. How does this make the Continental pilots ignorant?

A320 Pilot
10-10-2008, 01:15 PM
So burining flesh 7 days a week, not just one. How does this make the Continental pilots ignorant?

You guys need to educate yourself about foreign cultures and show some respect to other cultures.:mad:Keep in mind its a two way street.

DYNASTY HVY
10-11-2008, 04:21 AM
Lets not forget about the missed approaches and runway incursions !:eek:

jet320
10-11-2008, 02:50 PM
[quote=A320 Pilot;476916]You guys need to educate yourself THAT IS THE REASON YOUR LEARNING TO FLY IN THE IN USA?about foreign cultures and show some respect to other cultures.:mad:Keep in mind its a two way street.

If I remember correctly the USA is multicultural country!!! You are Indian flying legally in the US.

You are the one biting the hand that feeds you!!!!


[email protected]

Apply to Kingfisher and get out!

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
10-11-2008, 03:15 PM
[quote=A320 Pilot;476916]You guys need to educate yourself THAT IS THE REASON YOUR LEARNING TO FLY IN THE IN USA?about foreign cultures and show some respect to other cultures.:mad:Keep in mind its a two way street.

If I remember correctly the USA is multicultural country!!! You are Indian flying legally in the US.

You are the one biting the hand that feeds you!!!!


[email protected]

Apply to Kingfisher and get out!
A multicultural society prides itself in respect for different cultures and traditions - some comments in this thread imply otherwise. I do think flying in India is very difficult but there’s no reason to throw in racist or at least demeaning undertones into this debate.

At least that’s my view.

A320 Pilot
10-11-2008, 06:46 PM
[quote=jet320;477463]
A multicultural society prides itself in respect for different cultures and traditions - some comments in this thread imply otherwise. I do think flying in India is very difficult but there’s no reason to throw in racist or at least demeaning undertones into this debate.

At least that’s my view.
I fully agree with you and thanks for your support.

A320 Pilot
10-11-2008, 07:10 PM
[quote=A320 Pilot;476916]You guys need to educate yourself THAT IS THE REASON YOUR LEARNING TO FLY IN THE IN USA?about foreign cultures and show some respect to other cultures.:mad:Keep in mind its a two way street.

If I remember correctly the USA is multicultural country!!! You are Indian flying legally in the US.

You are the one biting the hand that feeds you!!!!


[email protected]

Apply to Kingfisher and get out!

The only difference between you and me is that you or your ancestors showed up illegaly and I came here through legal channels a little later,so you are in no position to tell me what to do.

Now leave this forum and you get out and go back to where ever you came from:p

proskuneho
10-11-2008, 07:49 PM
I have trained several students from India. Like any culture, there are both good and bad representatives. :) Some of them I will always consider friends. Some of them are great pilots. Some of them were not motivated. I doubt those ones will ever be hired.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
10-11-2008, 09:32 PM
The only difference between you and me is that you or your ancestors showed up illegaly and I came here through legal channels a little later,so you are in no position to tell me what to do.

Now leave this forum and you get out and go back to where ever you came from


I sort of see your point in what you're trying to say however remember that Ellis Island, etc were legal means of getting here as at the time the US government actively promoted legal immigration to the US and even offered land deeds for some of the newcomers.

It’s a totally different scenario today where the government simply allows a ‘hands-off’ approach to the illegal immigration. In other words those laborers are illegal from day one however both sides of the political equation ignore that fact. One side is hoping to gain votes through either illegal voting or once they gain amnesty and eventually become citizens. The other side of the equation simply looks for cheap labor.

Both sides are selfish and disregard what's best for the country in order to promote their own causes.

That's a totally different discussion though...



Ps. Thanks for your earlier reply.

MTOP
10-12-2008, 07:46 AM
Well, flying experience in India is very/extremely bad! (For Starters)

Like some dude mentioned, people keep steppin' on each other (Very Freakin' True)
The controller keeps asking you your "DME" from the XYZ fix, Freaking Constantly! (Like its timed with each breath he/she takes)
Since, English is not their "Native Lingo" but the for some reason are considered or classified as "Native Speakers" is "Horrendous"
They for some reason also have a habit of vectoring you in the "Eye of a Thunderstorm"
They definitely for sure throw in, For Example, "You are 20 Track Miles" from touch down. (I already know how many track miles I am, bud)
Also in their part of the World they are not "Familiar" with "phonetically" telling you which fix to proceed or go direct to. They just mumble something & expect folks, not familiar with it, to just proceed to it. (By Correctly Guessing, I guess)
Frequencies tend to get pretty congested cuz people tend to talk a lot. (Cuz of Language issues)
You only get your Departure Clearance when you are taxing to the active R/Wy or busy doing your "Before T/O Checklist" & they (ATC) very conveniently rattle off a bunch of stuff w/o askin', if you ready to copy!
Also when you ask for "Push & Start" Clearance you have to mention "number of Pax on board & THROUGH SECURITY" Honestly, I don't know if they went thru security cuz I never saw 'em go thru. But, apparently, if you don't say it to be "legally correct" ATC insists on you saying "Thru Security"
Another "terminology" you will hear, quite frequently, in that region (& Middle East) is "Charlie Charlie" its their way of saying/acknowledging "Roger or Affirmative". ( I never use it)

All in all, its not a pleasant experience! (Over all)

Hope this helps!

Good Luck Bud!

Fly safe y'all!
From your writing, it's obvious that English is not your "native lingo" either.

Vspeeds
10-13-2008, 07:12 AM
From your writing, it's obvious that English is not your "native lingo" either.

I guess your English Comprehension Level is not good either!

Fly Safe y'all!

JOEL
10-28-2008, 03:55 AM
THE BASE IS IN CHENNAI.

PAY IS $11000 INCL ACCOMODATION ,AS A TRAINING EXAMINER OF ERJ 170/190. TAX BORNE BY THE COMPANY.

ANY OF YOU ON BOARD???

PLS PM ME AT [email protected]

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
10-28-2008, 11:51 AM
THE BASE IS IN CHENNAI.

PAY IS $11000 INCL ACCOMODATION ,AS A TRAINING EXAMINER OF ERJ 170/190. TAX BORNE BY THE COMPANY.

ANY OF YOU ON BOARD???

PLS PM ME AT [email protected]
SOUNDS GREAT BUT WHY ARE YOU YELLING??? ;)

FDXer
10-28-2008, 01:05 PM
Be wary of posters offering connections for foreign jobs. It's funny how JOEL went from asking about a company to having a job to being a check airman in less than 3 weeks. His pay went from 9,000 to 11,000 in those same 3 weeks and according to him, the company does not start flying until March.

BE SMART!!