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aviatorhi
04-04-2009, 04:01 AM
Was listening to the grapevine and heard that LionAir (Indonesia) is possibly looking for FOs... but can't find any way to get in touch with them or any hiring minimums... anyone got the scoop?


vpracing
04-04-2009, 05:57 AM
Pilot Jobs Network - for students of pilot schools and experienced airline pilots (http://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Lion_Air)

aviatorhi
04-04-2009, 06:09 AM
Well at least theres another source that confirms what I'd heard.

But I looked through their website quite thoroughly and I can ask a question of file a complaint on the rather generic contact portion, however not much of a link to someone that would be in the flight department through that website itself.


nicholasblonde
04-04-2009, 06:18 AM
There are a couple of alternative methods of apply rather than directly (not too many people I know have ever successfully lodged an application via the website or direct contact). Tell me what your experience is and what position (FO/CA/ab initio) you were looking at and I might be able to point you in the right direction. Keep in mind that PPJN isn't an official source of information, and even if it says something, even up-to-date, this doesn't necessarily equal reality.

KoruPilot
04-04-2009, 01:27 PM
Yangtze River Express is also looking for B737 EFIS pilots. Bringing six up from HKA shortly, but apparently require more. I spoke with one of their check training guy's the other day and he confirmed. Not sure as to T&C, but I do love being based out of Shanghai.

Typhoonpilot
04-05-2009, 01:53 PM
Was listening to the grapevine and heard that LionAir (Indonesia) is possibly looking for FOs... but can't find any way to get in touch with them or any hiring minimums... anyone got the scoop?


The pay is $800/month. Still want it?


TP

pilotinsky
04-05-2009, 02:05 PM
The pay is $800/month. Still want it?


TP

I heard have to pay for your type rating and work for them for 2 or 3 years and they will refund the money back to you.

Had a rep came to our school to explain the program to our potential students....

aviatorhi
04-05-2009, 03:17 PM
$800 is pretty weak, but given that you can potentially get a "free" type out of it, and time on type quickly puts you a few steps ahead of others who want to end up doing ex-Pat/Contract flying. Also it would depend on where they base you, I got a few friends in Jakarta whos total monthly expenses are less than 500 bucks including rent.

KoruPilot
04-05-2009, 08:40 PM
Pretty weak? How about pretty disgusting.

Normally I don't like to get down on people who buy rating's to get ahead, but normally they are coming off of turbo props and even with the type rating they end up being ahead at the end of the first year. Pacific Blue and Jetconnect would be two good examples down around my neck of the woods. But that kind of money is worse than Air Asia man.

It's no longer whoring yourself out. . . it's crack-whoring yourself out.

Please, do yourself and the rest of us a big favour and try not to talk yourself into flying an NG for $800 a month.

dojetdriver
04-05-2009, 10:58 PM
Pretty week? How about pretty disgusting.


How about pretty WEAK?

That trumps all.

KoruPilot
04-06-2009, 12:07 AM
Thanx fur tha spalling lisson; seriously, the spelling police? You must be bored mate.

Of course you will notice that I spelled 'whoring' correctly.

Cin cin.

jet320
04-07-2009, 01:00 AM
US Export-Import Bank announced approval of some $1.08 billion in financing to support the delivery of up to 30 737-900ERs to Indonesia's Lion Air. The financing comprises $238 million in a first stage and a nonbinding preliminary commitment of $841 million. Ex-Im Bank said the transactions were its first in support of the -900ER.

Joepa84
04-19-2009, 12:34 PM
Recruitment Processlast update
Cpt: pay 400 euro to get interview



Does this mean it costs about $450 USD to get an interview with this outfit? If that is the case I would like to announce the startup of "Big Joe's Airline" we fly 757's from LAX to HNL, we have uh, er um...three 75s. With finanancing on the way for three more, or something like that. Interviews cost $350 USD. We only accecpt Cash.....

TonyWilliams
04-20-2009, 06:49 AM
People are desperate. They'll pay.

KDUA
04-30-2009, 11:11 PM
you need to pay your Type Rating, which is 17000 euros. if you are going as an expad.

meeko031
05-01-2009, 12:47 AM
here is a link with useful info regarding lionair. Good luck

Lion Air (Indonesia) - Pilot Career Center Airline Details (http://pilotcareercentre.com/JobResearchAirlineDetail.asp?AirlineID=1617)

papacharlie
05-10-2009, 10:45 AM
everything could change if the us economy picks up again...then they will be paying you to go there for an interview.not the other way around.
supply and demand i think they say.

hesitant
12-16-2011, 07:04 PM
Recruitment Processlast update
Cpt: pay 400 euro to get interview



Does this mean it costs about $450 USD to get an interview with this outfit? If that is the case I would like to announce the startup of "Big Joe's Airline" we fly 757's from LAX to HNL, we have uh, er um...three 75s. With finanancing on the way for three more, or something like that. Interviews cost $350 USD. We only accecpt Cash.....
Thats right. Why don't we put the word out, and all stick together on this. No low pay, and no pay for training.

captjns
12-18-2011, 02:56 AM
On a different note about their pay to fly program...

To all potential P2F’ers. Someday you will be having a meal with other pilots who earned their way into the cockpit the old fashioned way…. no short cuts… just plain hard honest work, building legitimate hours to earn their right in the right seat… no bribes or tapping the family treasury to buy one’s way into the cockpit.

Of course one of the legitimate pilots will ask you the ultimate question. “So where did you do your training, and did you build your hours.” Gulp… will you have the courage to admit that you bribed your way into the cockpit by paying a training organization for jet time? Or are you going to exclude the fact that you were one of those who continue to keep the bar low and prevent the improvement in terms and conditions for our profession?

The P2F stigma does not disappear so easily. The world of aviation is a very small one at that. Your baggage will follow you no matter where you go. Someday, you will apply for a job with a carrier. You will be included in the selection process with other low timers. Perhaps your fellow low timers may have little or no jet time. Anyway during the interview, and explain how you obtained your jet time with such low time. You can’t lie, especially during an interview. Trust me, it won’t take a rocket scientist to figure out you were one of the P2F’ers. Whether you fess up during the interview or the record background check your prospective airline will conduct. I’ll bet a month’s salary you will be out and the low timer in. Most carriers want honest hard working pilots who appreciate the value of their airman certificates.

Lets fast forward into the future. Let’s assume you manage to get on with a carrier. All the shine and buff has worn off, and you are feeling less than content with your position, pay, terms and conditions. You are pi$$ed off because your airline wants to increase your productivity from 80 to 95 hours per month with no pay increase. Further your airline wants to reduce your annual leave from 4 to 2 weeks per year. Your airline wants to cut back on medical and retirement benefits. And all you do is just grumble. Well, take a good long look in the mirror and ask who is responsible for such crappy treatment. The answer is in the same mirror. Remember folks, we are now in the future. That said go back to 2011 when you wanted to sidestep the normal route to the cockpit and P2F. Remember how the training organization took your parents paid good money and how the airlines exploited you and other P2Fers alike. Now you have the answer as to why terms and conditions within our industry are on the decline… The P2f’ers are a major part of the problem. And that’s why you can’t expect other pilots who earned they way into the cockpit to really respect you. Oh, they’ll probably talk to you, but you’ll carry the P2F’er label wherever you go.

I declined the invitation joining Lion Air as a TRI/TRE, and any other carrier for that fact, continues to undermine the decline of the terms and conditions of an industry that I've been associated with for the past 36 yeras.

I sent off an email to both Lion Air and Rishworth.


At the end of the day Airline Management won't have any resect for us as professionals until we as a group respect ourselves. All I can say folks is follow your heart and your conscience.

da_flyn_hawyn
12-19-2011, 04:19 AM
on a different note about their pay to fly program...

To all potential p2f’ers. Someday you will be having a meal with other pilots who earned their way into the cockpit the old fashioned way…. No short cuts… just plain hard honest work, building legitimate hours to earn their right in the right seat… no bribes or tapping the family treasury to buy one’s way into the cockpit.

Of course one of the legitimate pilots will ask you the ultimate question. “so where did you do your training, and did you build your hours.” gulp… will you have the courage to admit that you bribed your way into the cockpit by paying a training organization for jet time? Or are you going to exclude the fact that you were one of those who continue to keep the bar low and prevent the improvement in terms and conditions for our profession?

The p2f stigma does not disappear so easily. The world of aviation is a very small one at that. Your baggage will follow you no matter where you go. Someday, you will apply for a job with a carrier. You will be included in the selection process with other low timers. Perhaps your fellow low timers may have little or no jet time. Anyway during the interview, and explain how you obtained your jet time with such low time. You can’t lie, especially during an interview. Trust me, it won’t take a rocket scientist to figure out you were one of the p2f’ers. Whether you fess up during the interview or the record background check your prospective airline will conduct. I’ll bet a month’s salary you will be out and the low timer in. Most carriers want honest hard working pilots who appreciate the value of their airman certificates.

Lets fast forward into the future. Let’s assume you manage to get on with a carrier. All the shine and buff has worn off, and you are feeling less than content with your position, pay, terms and conditions. You are pi$$ed off because your airline wants to increase your productivity from 80 to 95 hours per month with no pay increase. Further your airline wants to reduce your annual leave from 4 to 2 weeks per year. Your airline wants to cut back on medical and retirement benefits. And all you do is just grumble. Well, take a good long look in the mirror and ask who is responsible for such crappy treatment. The answer is in the same mirror. Remember folks, we are now in the future. That said go back to 2011 when you wanted to sidestep the normal route to the cockpit and p2f. Remember how the training organization took your parents paid good money and how the airlines exploited you and other p2fers alike. Now you have the answer as to why terms and conditions within our industry are on the decline… the p2f’ers are a major part of the problem. And that’s why you can’t expect other pilots who earned they way into the cockpit to really respect you. Oh, they’ll probably talk to you, but you’ll carry the p2f’er label wherever you go.

I declined the invitation joining lion air as a tri/tre, and any other carrier for that fact, continues to undermine the decline of the terms and conditions of an industry that i've been associated with for the past 36 yeras.

I sent off an email to both lion air and rishworth.


At the end of the day airline management won't have any resect for us as professionals until we as a group respect ourselves. All i can say folks is follow your heart and your conscience.

amen brother!

hesitant
12-19-2011, 09:50 PM
I hope you don't do this. I am not being negative, but you should not have to pay them any money at all. Just look at how much money they have to invest in new airplanes. Why don't you contact them and tell them that. There is no reason to put yourself into jeopardy for them. Be careful.

hesitant
12-19-2011, 09:52 PM
Hey Koru, I am a low time guy, and I have wanted to move into EFIS, Boeing etc. without wasying time at regionals. Do you know if Yangtze hires low time guys? Thanks.

captjns
12-20-2011, 01:44 AM
hesitant says...

I hope you don't do this. I am not being negative, but you should not have to pay them any money at all.

Paying any entity to sit in the right seat merely undermines the work that we are trying to achieve in improving terms and conditions for us as a whole.

cactusmike
12-20-2011, 07:43 PM
How can you consider yourself a professional pilot if you are paying someone to let you fly?

Manny
12-30-2011, 09:03 PM
How can you consider yourself a professional pilot if you are paying someone to let you fly?

Just to play devil's advocate. Who do you think is paying for training when you make $35 an hour during your first year at a Legacy carrier or $24 at a commuter? There is a cover charge either way.