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73inEurope4now
08-29-2009, 01:52 AM
Ever wonder what it would be like to fly in Europe, well.... this is my perspective:D!

I got furloughed from my company in the US and decided to jump all in and get my JAA ATPL and a 737 type. I took me 6 months to accomplish the task, afterwards I was offered a job in Scandinavia.

Upon arrival, my first experience was their government! I was astounded by the enormous amount of bureaucrats they need over there! 1 in every 3 persons living in Norway works for the government! It was astonishing to witness the mundane mountains of paperwork it took to process even the smallest request. I used to think it was bad at home, but this has given me a completely different perspective and a new appreciation for the US.
Most things are poorly organized over there as well, everything from a simple thing like getting a phoneline set up to dealing with the tax authorities is dim-witted, (and yes....much more so than the IRS, whom in comparison seems like a fantastic organization).
And... the cost of living... is staggering!! Gasoline is $9.00/gallon, a beer in a bar is $12.00 a pint, 38 percent of my salary goes to the government and I am paying $2000 in rent for a small basic apartment! I am making a gross salary of $100 000, which compares to making approx. $35 000 in the US after considering taxes and cost of living.
The climate is dreary and gray, which is reflected in the local populations attitude in general. Everyone complains (but takes no action) about the poor health care system, the substandard schools, high cost of living and preposterous taxes.

To wrap it up! The company is allright and the flying is tolerable. But I can't wait to go home again!:cool:


MeLu
09-24-2009, 04:34 AM
My brother used to fly with them then I had moved him to other airlines.
Basically, what you say sounds as you are confused and happy. Perhaps, it is better to stay for a while in Europe , while you may work. Instead of these worries, whether or not I would be able to purchase the new books for my kids, or pay back the house for my wife. It is always better where we are at current not at. Please enjoy Europe, people are nice in Europe dont you think so? Despite of all, people smile, and are always going ahead and are serious at thinking. Shall be back to flying in December with my brother. Again Enjoy Europe.

Normann
09-24-2009, 03:57 PM
Ever wonder what it would be like to fly in Europe, well.... this is my perspective:D!

I got furloughed from my company in the US and decided to jump all in and get my JAA ATPL and a 737 type. I took me 6 months to accomplish the task, afterwards I was offered a job in Scandinavia.

Upon arrival, my first experience was their government! I was astounded by the enormous amount of bureaucrats they need over there! 1 in every 3 persons living in Norway works for the government! It was astonishing to witness the mundane mountains of paperwork it took to process even the smallest request. I used to think it was bad at home, but this has given me a completely different perspective and a new appreciation for the US.
Most things are poorly organized over there as well, everything from a simple thing like getting a phoneline set up to dealing with the tax authorities is dim-witted, (and yes....much more so than the IRS, whom in comparison seems like a fantastic organization).
And... the cost of living... is staggering!! Gasoline is $9.00/gallon, a beer in a bar is $12.00 a pint, 38 percent of my salary goes to the government and I am paying $2000 in rent for a small basic apartment! I am making a gross salary of $100 000, which compares to making approx. $35 000 in the US after considering taxes and cost of living.
The climate is dreary and gray, which is reflected in the local populations attitude in general. Everyone complains (but takes no action) about the poor health care system, the substandard schools, high cost of living and preposterous taxes.

To wrap it up! The company is allright and the flying is tolerable. But I can't wait to go home again!:cool:

Sounds like you did some good research before you went. Or is that you meant to take a job in the Middle East where fuel is $1.70, no clouds on the sky, and there is no income tax. Perhaps you got a browser hijack when you googled "Norway" and you ended up at the wrong place? :confused:


Phantom Flyer
09-24-2009, 06:48 PM
Upon arrival, my first experience was their government! I was astounded by the enormous amount of bureaucrats they need over there! 1 in every 3 persons living in Norway works for the government! It was astonishing to witness the mundane mountains of paperwork it took to process even the smallest request.
And... the cost of living... is staggering!! Gasoline is $9.00/gallon, a beer in a bar is $12.00 a pint, 38 percent of my salary goes to the government and I am paying $2000 in rent for a small basic apartment! I am making a gross salary of $100 000, which compares to making approx. $35 000 in the US after considering taxes and cost of living.
Everyone complains (but takes no action) about the poor health care system, the substandard schools, high cost of living and preposterous taxes.


Just hang on a few years and the United States will be in the same boat. The good news....you can just stay in Europe and save yourself the return air fare, because things will be the same on this side of the pond.:rolleyes:

Just my two cents...devalued to $ .0102365 on today's market close.

G'Luck Mates:)

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
09-24-2009, 08:54 PM
Just hang on a few years and the United States will be in the same boat. The good news....you can just stay in Europe and save yourself the return air fare, because things will be the same on this side of the pond.:rolleyes:

Just my two cents...devalued to $ .0102365 on today's market close.

G'Luck Mates:)

Agree!

PS. Wasn't this very thread closed not too long ago? :confused:

captjns
09-24-2009, 11:19 PM
Could not agree more about the bureaucracy. Even with the establishment of EASA recently… another waste of time and money, which will be replaced with another in 10 years. But hey… look on the bright side. You can travel all over Europe for free on your carrier. You can get some pretty cheap sleeps, now that it is off season. Don’t be a sit in on your days off… get out there and enjoy the continent. After 30 plus years of flying… the industry in the US as it were is long over.

Mustang87
09-25-2009, 03:53 PM
It's always been one of my dreams to fly for a European carrier (put that German minor to good use!). Thank you for your insight! Is it really that easy for an American to get hired to fly overseas?

AirWillie
09-25-2009, 06:15 PM
The good thing though... about socialist states like in Europe is that they never run out of peoples money. Life is stress free.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
09-25-2009, 09:06 PM
The good thing though... about socialist states like in Europe is that they never run out of peoples money. Life is stress free.

I guess I'm missing the 'sarcasm smiley' here? :confused:

If you think waiting over 16 months for your mom's cancerous brain tumor surgery (Ted Kennedy type) due to the "we'll call you when it's your turn" waiting line is stress free than yes - life is pretty stress free... :rolleyes: ...but hey, it's "free" right??? :mad:

TonyWilliams
09-25-2009, 10:26 PM
Do you have a scandinavian / EU country passport?

MeLu
09-26-2009, 05:47 AM
You do not need to have our EU passports and our European ATPL as I have or my older brother. All you need to do is to contact directly the airlines, and basically, at latter take the GVT permission from any EU Ministry which shall help you in flying. And you need to get our Schengen residency visas at a consulate or at a spot. So a best way is to come to our EU. And people will help anyway. ALL the applicants from abroad goes through the hands of a Ministry. Or the airlines you have chosen will apply on your behalf to a MInistry anyway. SO, for us all these aviation offices and etc... these companies and etc... are not really being taken out that serious. By the way, is it common in US for the people to go through these additional cooperating companies? IS it cheaper? Do people need to pay them? Are they providing anyone with an accurate information?

NEDude
09-29-2009, 09:21 AM
Thanks for the information about Europe. My girlfriend is Danish and works for SAS in a non-flying position. Hoping things work out long term. If so I would probably move to Copenhagen, so I'd love to be able to fly in Europe. What is the best route to take for getting a European license?

MeLu
10-13-2009, 09:28 AM
Sorry could not answer the question earlier remain busy. Yes, a best way to get a european license, is at first notrify your american one at the Ministry of Aviation of EU, instead of going again and again for the courses which might be expensive or too expensive. Then, if the Ministry at EU agrees with your license, you will receive an approval, or you shall be suggested that you should improve your knowledge about EU and they will provide you with the entire information for non EU license holder. However, the best way is to go via the Ministry anyway. Had been busy cause I started to look for one american former mili.flier, I met when I was 17, and I had a permission of EU for him to fly with us me only winter and summer, and basically, I think I almost had found a person, I opened my diary , and then had sent an email to gvt community association where I saw his name, and that where he lives and asked this association to contact me in December when I will be at my cockpit with my older brother. I said this association that he must fly anyway. That was his dream and still is, I just know it, but I said clearly that it has nothing to do with any youth feeling since, people change, but I know that he needs a help and he will receive a help anyway. Melu:)

captjns
10-13-2009, 11:44 AM
EU Ministry of Aviation!?!?!?

Enlighten us... where is the location of this so-called Ministry of Aviation?!!?