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aviatorhi
09-22-2009, 11:27 AM
Noticed they are recruiting... what's the word on pay mins and reputation?

Yeah I know it's Indonesia so we're aware of what we can expect.


EatinRamen
09-23-2009, 11:19 AM
They were advertising $4,000 for captains and $2,000 for FO's. If that is in US dollars, that's extremely low pay.

yoke jerker
09-23-2009, 12:39 PM
that's what pace was paying after tax..let's see...go to where they blow up hotels, away from my family , just to fly a bunch basket weavers, shoemakers, and wack jobs back to their caves....hhhmmm, I think not


aviatorhi
09-23-2009, 01:34 PM
I'm aware of the generally low pay in Indonesia (though $4000 is more than LionAir I think)... the only way the Indo gov lets them hire expats is if they pay the same as the local guys.

Since you've brought nationality and basket weaving onto this thread... I'd rather spend my time with those people down there in Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippine Islands than in any city in the US, so hey, maybe it's not for you.

yoke jerker
09-23-2009, 03:30 PM
didn't mean to ruffle feathers... if I offended you or any of the basket weavers on the island, I am truly sorry. oh boy ,what a day!

TurboDVR42
09-23-2009, 04:30 PM
what are the requirements?
i am guessing a type rating is probably required...

EatinRamen
09-23-2009, 04:45 PM
Their only requirement is SJS.

aviatorhi
09-23-2009, 09:16 PM
I'm surprised nobody has anything solid for a lead...

I remember LionAir wanted 4000 TT and a type rating, I don't meet that total time requirment at Lion but if Batavia were only looking in the 2500-3000 total range for captains I'd be interested.

As far as SJS, hmmm lets see commit no more than 5 years of my life to the left seat of a 737 for 4000 a month in a country where it costs less than 2000/mo to live quite extravagantly and not even have to think about working at a regional because, oh wow, you have time on a 737 and it's PIC and International, get a little more bang for your buck, and you wouldn't be eatinramen in Jakarta for that rate.

TurboDVR42
09-23-2009, 10:18 PM
Sorry whats SJS???

aviatorhi
09-23-2009, 10:54 PM
Sorry whats SJS???

Shiny Jet Syndrome... usually applied to pilots coming out of the pilot mills like ALL ATPS who only became pilots because there was the promise of maybe getting a $15K/year job at the end of their $50K class.

Anyway... still wondering if anyone has a contact for Batavia?

myoface
09-23-2009, 11:44 PM
that's what pace was paying after tax..let's see...go to where they blow up hotels, away from my family , just to fly a bunch basket weavers, shoemakers, and wack jobs back to their caves....hhhmmm, I think not

I think that is the definition of racism. Labeling an entire country that you probably have been to. I hope you enjoy your job of flying around white trash McDonalds eating fat slobs.

jowong1
10-12-2009, 07:09 AM
I went to Metro Batavia (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/44164-metro-batavia-2.html#post683303)'s website and try to see if they are hiring. But they asked u to log in as a guest on the online recruitment using ID:guest and password: guest. But the site doesn't work. Does anyone know who the contact person is so ppl can drop their resume?

nicholasblonde
10-12-2009, 08:51 AM
I'm aware of the generally low pay in Indonesia (though $4000 is more than LionAir I think)... the only way the Indo gov lets them hire expats is if they pay the same as the local guys.

Since you've brought nationality and basket weaving onto this thread... I'd rather spend my time with those people down there in Indonesia, Thailand and the Philippine Islands than in any city in the US, so hey, maybe it's not for you.

If you're willing to fly a 737 as a CA for $4000/month pre-tax, we don't want you here in the USA anyways.....BOOOOOOYYAAAAA

nicholasblonde
10-12-2009, 08:52 AM
I went to Metro Batavia (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/foreign/44164-metro-batavia-2.html#post683303)'s website and try to see if they are hiring. But they asked u to log in as a guest on the online recruitment using ID:guest and password: guest. But the site doesn't work. Does anyone know who the contact person is so ppl can drop their resume?

Aeroservice career fair (a.k.a. just because they are there doesn't mean they are hiring...they might just be accepting resumes)

nicholasblonde
10-12-2009, 09:00 AM
If you get your rocks off flying a half-maintained 733 in a tropical depression with a 250 hour FO who can barely speak English, for $4000 (I completely understand some people are OK with that), go for it!!! Don't worry--you'll be at Ryanair soon!!! LOL...you have no idea what you're in for "bule" ;->

jowong1
10-12-2009, 09:43 AM
Aeroservice career fair (a.k.a. just because they are there doesn't mean they are hiring...they might just be accepting resumes)

Ya but thats just a career fair, I am talking about an HR person who is with Metro Batavia whom I can drop a resume on.

Schnides
10-14-2009, 01:03 PM
This post below was posted on another site when I tried to look these guys up.. They want a 737 type with a time in the aircraft and several thousand hours. The newspaper articles on all of the safety issues are kind of eye opening...... in the first one a whole section of wing comes off in flight, one plane just gets lost and strays over 300 kim, in another, delayed passengers get so angry they storm on another flight and take it over...

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22805424-23109,00.html

Safety Board to investigate Batavia Air's strayed plane | The Jakarta Post (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2009/02/28/safety-board-investigate-batavia-air039s-strayed-plane.html)

Batavia Air jet fails takeoff | The Jakarta Post (http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/11/07/batavia-air-jet-fails-takeoff.html)

145 Batavia Air Passengers Safe After In-Flight Engine Failure - The Jakarta Globe (http://thejakartaglobe.com/justAdded/145-batavia-air-passengers-safe-after-in-flight-engine-failure/271281)

http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1127620.php

Be careful !!




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A friend of mine was there for a very short time and left due to bad living conditions, a rediculous work schedule, and unsafe airplanes. He quit when they didn't pay him for a month and threatened himwith his job if he wouldn't take an airplane that had items out of service that were on the MEL...
The pay for a Capt is $4,000, FO is $2,000 to fly a min of 100 hours per month!! He said the apartment had several pilots living in it, was very run down and dirty, and was located in a very bad part of Jakarta. Also Air Batavia was listed a year or two ago as one of the top six most unsafe airlines in the region, but they may be trying to change that. They have had several instances in the last couple of months of maintenance problems (engine failures in flight). They give the passengers a cup of water and bread on the flight... better than a little bag of peanuts I guess.

If you have the option to go somewhere else... you may want to consider it. From what I was told, they are very bad at the moment. You will make more instructing or flying as a copilot in a regional.

a section of wing comes off in flight ???
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599...-23109,00.html

a plane gets lost and strays over 300 km?
Safety Board to investigate Batavia Air's strayed plane | The Jakarta Post

Grinding sounds coming out of the engine, but they launch anyway?
Batavia Air jet fails takeoff | The Jakarta Post

Just an engine failure..
145 Batavia Air Passengers Safe After In-Flight Engine Failure - The Jakarta Globe

I like this one..
http://www.travelmole.com/stories/1127620.php

peter
10-18-2009, 05:42 AM
Jowong1,

I found this email address from their training center. I was going to try that. Let me know if you get anywhere OK. PM to keep in contact. :)

HRD Department
PT. Metro Batavia
[email protected]

Sincerely,
Peter

vikingpilot
10-23-2009, 06:39 PM
http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far-east/384994-batavia-air-3.html

Schnides
10-23-2009, 07:40 PM
Here's a cut and paste from Pprune on them.. some of the posts were bad..



The Scoop

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Just a little inside scoop on whats going on at Batavia. I have a feeling there will be others posting more detailed horror stories here soon.

First of all communicating with Batavia is like pulling teeth, huge language barrier and almost zero information comes out of Jakarta.

Currently there is a group of Captains and F/O's sitting in Jakarta waiting for license conversion. Most have been waiting for up to 6 weeks. There seems to be allot of politics coming out of the Indonesian DGCA towards expat license conversion. All logbooks and previous flying history will be scrutinized to the max. You better have no errors in your log books, all log books have to be stamped and certified by your previous employers. You will also need letter from previous employers certifying your time.

Many have been asked a whole array of ludicrous requirements to verify previous employments., such as provide ID cards from previous jobs....

As of Yet NO expat have been granted a license conversion

You are expected to pay the full airfare to Jakarta by yourself and you will NOT be reimbursed if you don't pass the PC check upon arrival. .

Housing is in semi furnished small apartments with DOUBLE occupancy, yes you have to share a small apartment. Very professional

And now to the pay, 2000$ USD for F/O's and 4000$ USD for Captains.
They expect you to fly up to 110 hours a month.

Do your homework on safety history of the airline, and what you are getting in to.
Is it worth getting violated, or be a smoking hole in the ground, for this third world working conditions?.

cruiseclimb
10-31-2009, 11:20 AM
Did anybody apply to these guys after the Miami job fair? I'm curious as to what they were looking for. The initial research I did on them all came up bad.

captjns
10-31-2009, 06:55 PM
$4,000 per month as a captain? Come on folks April Fool's day is five months away?