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aafurloughee
09-23-2009, 11:11 AM
any idea what would be the going rate? looking at bases of accra or marakesh, morrocco


BeenThere
09-23-2009, 03:02 PM
any idea what would be the going rate? looking at bases of accra or marakesh, morrocco

Should pay $200K/ yr plus housing, car & driver, meals, two weeks home every month and travel expenses paid by employer. American dollars in advance. Should pay this, but it doesn't.

Captain Bligh
09-23-2009, 06:50 PM
You'd have to really like living there to do it for long. But if you need a job and want to stay in the cockpit until things look better in the USA I say go for it if for no other reason than the experience.


aafurloughee
09-24-2009, 10:55 AM
I need the cash badly, could hopefully stick it out till AA recall. If AA recalls

Wheels up
09-24-2009, 02:50 PM
"IF" is the big part. "IF" AA management and the ATA get their way on new crew rest and duty limits, you'll probably see another 1000 furloughed.

Although ditching the US until some sanity and ethics come back to this government probably a good idea.

iceman49
09-24-2009, 06:27 PM
Money has to be up front, make sure your insurance is up to date, and take out the largest policy you can handle...good luck

TonyWilliams
09-24-2009, 09:54 PM
Accra isn't so bad, in a third world African sense. I've only been to the airport there (many times), but I wouldn't have any problem being based there (assuming a good rotation interval back to civilization).

TonyWilliams
09-24-2009, 10:04 PM
By the way, why is this not in the Foreign area?

Here's final approach into Accra, Ghana:


http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss92/TonyWilliams/Nigeria2009Lagos250.jpg

captjns
09-24-2009, 11:01 PM
Pretty nice people as I recall. BBJ is a whole different world than flying shceduled. Did it for 3 and a half years. Be prepared... you are going to be the DO, CP, Director of Security, Director of Safety, Ground Handler, Flight Ops, all rolled up in one. Personally, I loved it and would love to do it again.


Very important... make sure you have major medical insurance that covers you internationally. Make sure you have enough cash in the bank to get yourself home if you don't like the job.

Wheels up
09-25-2009, 05:07 AM
And be sure you get every immunization and shot know to medical science. You'll need them, badly. What you see from that picture from 1500" bears no resemblance to what's going on in the streets down there. West Africa is a disease-infected crime-ridden sewer. You need lots of money to stay above the crime and disease line there, and even that may no help. I knew of a contract mechanic that contracted a very virulent form of malaria while working on the airplane at night. Died two weeks later after being evac'd back to the states. The physicians couldn't do anything for him.

SabreDriver
09-25-2009, 09:27 AM
Select at random, one of the popular anti malaria medications, and read the package insert with all the warnings and cautions. Pretty scary stuff. Most are intended for very short term use (weeks, not months) Air France, which does a lot of bid-ness there has lost several crewmembers to malaria in recent history.

Full disclosure: I've spent a good bit of time on the African continent in the past year. It's ok in small doses, as long as you are fully aware of what you are getting into. Africa (anywhere North of Jo'berg) is NOT a place to be taken lightly.

Fly Safe out there

bleedairpacks
09-25-2009, 10:15 AM
By the way, why is this not in the Foreign area?

Here's final approach into Accra, Ghana:


http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss92/TonyWilliams/Nigeria2009Lagos250.jpg

photo says lagos/nigeria.

I got a good girlfriend that is flying biz jets on delivery in Africa. Hit me on pm if you want her contact.

SabreDriver
09-25-2009, 07:06 PM
[QUOTE=bleedairpacks;684221]photo says lagos/nigeria.

QUOTE]

Maybe it does, but that's not Lagos, it's Accra, Ghana.

TonyWilliams
09-25-2009, 10:49 PM
Yes, indeed the picture is DGAA, just outside the VOR to runway 21. The file name "Nigeria2009Lagos250.jpg" just happens to be the name it got after picture number 249, taken in Nigeria.

Does this one look better?

http://i565.photobucket.com/albums/ss92/TonyWilliams/PrimeRealEstate18L.jpg

SabreDriver
09-26-2009, 10:36 AM
Yup, that's it.

That place gives me the creeps.

atpcliff
09-26-2009, 11:38 AM
Hi!

The DC-9 jcapt obs I know pay $8.0 per month (or more), with housing, transportation, medical, air fare and recurrency training costs paid for.
cliff
NBO

aafurloughee
09-27-2009, 04:52 PM
hey thanks for all the info. It looks like I have a chance at a base in Lagos. Nigeria. Anyone have any clue as to the living conditions? etc
I have done contract work before, and always made sure that I was housed in a five star hotel. Any such animal in Lagos?? I ve never been.

Thanks

atpcliff
09-27-2009, 10:01 PM
Hi!

My buddy is in Lagos. HIs driver carries an AK-47.

The hotels he stays in (airline guy on commuting conctract) look OK. Not 5 stars, but not bad.

I am in NBO. No civilians carry weapons. So far it is pretty good. Worst is internet/roads/availability of stuff I want not great.

cliff
NBO

aafurloughee
09-28-2009, 05:37 AM
so lemme get this straight, he has a paid driver? or is it just his shuttle that picks him up to and from the airport for his scheduled flights?

Also , what is his or your roster ie how many days in country, then days off.

What is your monthly pay?

Do you have them pay you in advance?

How rough is it in Lagos? does he leave the hotel ? Any advice on what I need to negotiate before I sign on the dotted line.

Any advice is very much appreciated. PS how much per diem do they give you?

Cheers!

atpcliff
09-28-2009, 11:49 AM
Hi!

so lemme get this straight, he has a paid driver? or is it just his shuttle that picks him up to and from the airport for his scheduled flights?
He has a paid driver, that takes him to/from the airport, shopping, etc. I don't think you go anywhere in Lagos without your armed driver/escort.

Also , what is his or your roster ie how many days in country, then days off.
I think he is 1 month off/1 month on (I was supposed to be 6 months on/1 off, but they were short guys, so I didn't go home after my 6 months). Other contracts are 6 wks/2 wks, 2 mos/1 month, 2 mos/2 wks, 5 mos/1 month, and 12 months straight, then off.

What is your monthly pay?
The DC-9 capts I know make $8.0/month+. The most I have heard is about $16/mo, but that is in the Middle East, where the pay is higher. The highest pay I have heard of is in Africa was $10/mo., but that was back in the early 1970s at Wilson Airport in NBO.

Do you have them pay you in advance?
Some places do pay in advance, some pay late all the time, others pay whenever they feel like, etc. The worst I heard is a guy flew for 2 years without pay, and then ended up leaving, with no pay for that 2 year period.

How rough is it in Lagos? does he leave the hotel ? Any advice on what I need to negotiate before I sign on the dotted line.
I am glad I am in Nairobi, and not Lagos.

Any advice is very much appreciated. PS how much per diem do they give you?
I think my buddy just gets all his meals paid for at the hotel. I get perdiem if gone overnight (which hasn't happened), I think $50 or so.

Situations vary MASSIVLY depending on your airline/organization/contract, etc. West Africa flying, in general, is pretty tough (compared w/ N, E, or S Africa). No radar, crappy radio communications, REALLY crappy weather, LOTS of holding, and coordinating with other pilots to ATC yourselves into various places.

cliff
NBO

aafurloughee
09-30-2009, 04:47 AM
thanks for the heads up.

looks like i'm going to have to ask for danger pay on top of the standard ex-pat salary.

Cheers!!

refplusnone
09-30-2009, 06:09 AM
Cliff is spot on. There are places in Africa you don't want to see. So you have to be careful. As soon as you talk they as soon as you talk and people know you are American and you can very easily become someones meal ticket ransom. Then there are places like NBO that are not bad if you can get used to the African way of doing things. If you've never flown here before it can take a lot of getting used to.

Ref

TonyWilliams
09-30-2009, 06:20 PM
It looks like I have a chance at a base in Lagos. Nigeria. Anyone have any clue as to the living conditions? etc
I have done contract work before, and always made sure that I was housed in a five star hotel. Any such animal in Lagos?? I ve never been.

Thanks


If you can somehow not end up in Lagos, I would do it. The city really is dangerous. Roads are atrocious. Traffic horrendous. Crime notorious. Scamming and bribery a way of life. Open sewers, trash dumped everywhere, burnt out cars everywhere (I haven't figured why there are so many), you will get malaria (but you'll get it in many other places besides Lagos). Food will take a while to get used to (no fast food either).

Our drivers (most of the time) bring along a guard with an AK-47, or a Mossberg shotgun. But my biggest concern is not the generic thugs, but the corrupt police themselves, and those that wear stolen police uniforms. Every night, impromptu road blocks to get money out of motorists who stop (I always cringed when the cab/van driver keeps going, even when the "police" are waving a flashlight and AK-47).

There are several ok hotels near the Lagos airport, in Ikeja. The Sheraton is probably the best known, but there are others. Most overnight airline crews stay there.

Eko hotel on Victoria Island, about 20 miles south of the airport (and 30 minutes to several hours to get there) is nice, but if you have to travel there at night over the long bridge, good luck. They're waiting for you.

But, without question, Victoria Island is the best place to be near Lagos. I think this news article might confirm that:

Lufthansa moves ground operations to Victoria Island

Aug 17, 2009 German carrier, Lufthansa Airlines, has relocated its Lagos office to Churchgate Tower on Victoria Island, to meet the need of its customers.
The relocation, which was effected on July 30, 2009, brings to an end the airline’s almost 50 years sojourn on Broad Street — the once burgeoning financial street of Lagos.

aafurloughee
10-03-2009, 06:33 AM
now that sounds brutal. believe me when I say, I won't end up in Lagos, life's to short.

Thanks for all the input guys.