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Priority 3
02-02-2010, 01:36 PM
UPS 4Q profit nearly triples from year earlier - BusinessWeek (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9DK59SO2.htm)


ANCSDF
02-02-2010, 01:52 PM
That doesn't mean that we aren't overstaffed by about 300 union pilots. We've parked a lot of airplanes achieve that profit that you are referring to.

Priority 3
02-02-2010, 02:12 PM
That doesn't mean that we aren't overstaffed by about 300 union pilots. We've parked a lot of airplanes achieve that profit that you are referring to.

Correct. Either pilots on the property will fly less (via the MOU), or pilots are let go off the bottom (via a furlough). Any day now the decision will be made...

The question of what happens to the managers also looms. They could face some unexpected bad news.


geeitup1
02-02-2010, 02:16 PM
Correct. Either pilots on the property will fly less (via the MOU), or pilots are let go off the bottom (via a furlough). Any day now the decision will be made...

this was a joke, correct?

Kibutznik
02-02-2010, 02:18 PM
That doesn't mean that we aren't overstaffed by about 300 union pilots. We've parked a lot of airplanes achieve that profit that you are referring to.

Or overstaffed by 180 Non Union Pilots.
ANCSDF you are pathetic. Now go striaghten some magazines.:D

K

Priority 3
02-02-2010, 02:20 PM
this was a joke, correct?

No. I think it sums up the situation accurately. Unless UPS decides to nix the MOU and not furlough at the same time.

How do you see it?

stratofactor
02-02-2010, 02:29 PM
UPS also announced that it will reinstate executive compensation plans, after freezing management salaries early last year.....NICE, glad to see my RDG savings going to these Richard Heads.

Sideshow Bob
02-02-2010, 02:46 PM
UPS also announced that it will reinstate executive compensation plans, after freezing management salaries early last year.....NICE, glad to see my RDG savings going to these Richard Heads.

The balloon has been sent up...they will not furlough, and may not fecalcan 65-85 managers, but as little as 40. But managers are history, and no line guys will go...they want their money...money that dwarfs the pathetic contributions of the managers. Get your resume tuned up ANCSDF...there are some Chinese carriers hiring underqualified types.

IC ALL
02-02-2010, 04:27 PM
Mod note:

Let's keep the discussion respectable and within TOS.

ANCSDF
02-02-2010, 05:06 PM
UPS also announced that it will reinstate executive compensation plans, after freezing management salaries early last year.....NICE, glad to see my RDG savings going to these Richard Heads.

Hence the profit. Reinstating compensation for the top tier is well deserved. Profit was achieved because of the decisions and managing of the company through these challenging times.

Managing a surplus of the IPA pilots has to happen too. The MOU is one strategy and I hope it works, but the fact of the matter is that if UPS can realize more money by furloughing, a furlough will have to happen.

Lets all hope for the best that nobody loses their job. But vilifying the very managers that make this place so profitable is probably not the best thing to do right now. As they say, the proof is in the pudding and mangers have been pulling their weight around here. Have you guys?

geddy lee
02-02-2010, 05:25 PM
Please tell me how FQM's make this place profitable? You're nothing but overpaid yes men on a short leash, with a pilot to manager ratio that is absurd. Great job, but with the money on the line wasted by stupidity daily, which you obviously have no power to change, as stated before...UPS makes money in spite of itself. Don't hurt that arm patting yourself on the back.:rolleyes:

FrontSeat
02-02-2010, 05:33 PM
But vilifying the very managers that make this place so profitable is probably not the best thing to do right now. As they say, the proof is in the pudding and mangers have been pulling their weight around here. Have you guys?

Any IPA pilot can do a FQM job. Tell me how writing a bulletin about bulletins makes this place profitable?


Or how it takes years of FQM salaries to come up with log book procedures that never work yet at other airlines it has been solved decades ago?

1800 RVR
02-02-2010, 06:07 PM
Man, I can't believe how many people are falling for the flaimbait from ANCSDF. No one in their right mind actually talks like this. This is just too funny...

mrvmo
02-02-2010, 08:28 PM
Man, I can't believe how many people are falling for the flaimbait from ANCSDF. No one in their right mind actually talks like this. This is just too funny...

Was thinkin the same thing.....you beat me to it.

SaltyDog
02-02-2010, 08:51 PM
That doesn't mean that we aren't overstaffed by about 300 union pilots. We've parked a lot of airplanes achieve that profit that you are referring to.

You seem to enjoy a good poke <g> Riddle this? Why does UPS so gladly turn down DOD International Airlift contract work? It impacts our ability to land even more lucrative overnight GSA contracts for most Federal govt. agencies. FedEx has pulled most of this enormously profitable business since 1983.
Example: Presently, UPS could easily pull some of the MRAP-ATV's business. DOD wants UPS to pony up and fly it, but we don't and so it goes to foreign carriers. It would have taken you and union pilots to manage this extra business that would keep all of us earning more profit for UPS. Great short term lift profit maker until normal core volumes pick up.
This segment would allow UPS max flexibility to respond to any market turns and compete with agility against FedEx since all of us would still be trained up and on the property. Good for you, me, UPS marketing, and our shareholders IMO.

Pilot7576
02-02-2010, 09:16 PM
what a load of crap!!! IPA pilots are the ones that move the boxes...the fqms are pure overhead and a cost to the system...they don't add to the bottom line unless they are flying boxes (an IPA function) so as they sit in their cubicles and question sick calls and late departures, they add NOTHING to ups bottom line

Pilot7576

Shaggy1970
02-02-2010, 09:35 PM
Hence the profit. Reinstating compensation for the top tier is well deserved. Profit was achieved because of the decisions and managing of the company through these challenging times.

Managing a surplus of the IPA pilots has to happen too. The MOU is one strategy and I hope it works, but the fact of the matter is that if UPS can realize more money by furloughing, a furlough will have to happen.

Lets all hope for the best that nobody loses their job. But vilifying the very managers that make this place so profitable is probably not the best thing to do right now. As they say, the proof is in the pudding and mangers have been pulling their weight around here. Have you guys?

You gotta be kidding me! Do you really want to go down this road? Dude get a clue and go hide in your cubicle and do whatever it is you do. I am holding back fellas cause I don't want another thread closed due to my b!tch slappin!

IC ALL
02-02-2010, 10:45 PM
Mod note:

It's hard to keep a thread open when half the responses are inappropriate. If you can't post within TOS, it's best to have the self control to not say anything. Another great option here is the ignore user feature in the software. Right click on the users screen name, click on user profile, and add user to your ignore list.

IC ALL
02-03-2010, 08:53 AM
bump................

Gunter
02-03-2010, 09:05 AM
Big profit this quarter. And bright prospects ahead. Manager raises restored.

Would be hard to furlough....if Scott Davis has any conscience at all.


Regardless of what any flamebaiter might try to argue, if a furlough starts expect a bunch of managers to go. They know there's too many of them to do what they are required to do. Some, no many, owe their jobs to management's desire to limit the power of a unionized pilot group.

If a furlough were to occur it could be all be about getting rid of those dead weight managers. It would provide the perfect excuse. That's why they are flamebaiting. Things don't look too bright for them.


If a furlough were to occur, I would go all out to have all friends and family avoid using UPS. You can do that by avoiding buying from some online retailers like LL Bean. There are many alternatives.

Even though I am a FDX employee I often shop where packages are sent via UPS. That would stop immediately.

FR8TFLYER
02-03-2010, 09:26 AM
Gunter-

Nothing speaks louder than the almighty $$ for UPS. I have thought of many ways to pay them back if I am furloughed. Add that up over 25+ years and it is a lot of money!

Sideshow Bob
02-03-2010, 12:31 PM
what a load of crap!!! IPA pilots are the ones that move the boxes...the fqms are pure overhead and a cost to the system...they don't add to the bottom line unless they are flying boxes (an IPA function) so as they sit in their cubicles and question sick calls and late departures, they add NOTHING to ups bottom line

Pilot7576

There's a pretty simple metric to dismiss everything these guys say to justify their existence...

I'll compare how much volume I and my crews move a month with any manager...and they'll lose.

Hey...I've got a great idea for Atlanta. Pay me 1/4 of what the average manager gets on top of my pay and I'll write MRB's while moving more volume than any manager on property. Talk about savings!

Freightpuppy
02-03-2010, 12:31 PM
Mod note:

It's hard to keep a thread open when half the responses are inappropriate. If you can't post within TOS, it's best to have the self control to not say anything. Another great option here is the ignore user feature in the software. Right click on the users screen name, click on user profile, and add user to your ignore list.

Yes, like when you emailed me saying that my baby is ugly. :rolleyes:

Pot meet kettle.....

Buck92
02-03-2010, 12:37 PM
Oooooh. I can see another thread closure coming...

UPSFO4LIFE
02-03-2010, 12:40 PM
Yes, like when you emailed me saying that my baby is ugly. :rolleyes:

Pot meet kettle.....

Say what????

Buck92
02-03-2010, 12:46 PM
Quoting Bill Murray's character in Little Shop of Horrors -- "It's his professionalism that I respect!" :cool:

1800 RVR
02-03-2010, 12:47 PM
I've got my popcorn ready for this one! :eek:

Buck92
02-03-2010, 12:51 PM
Or Chevy Chase in Fletch, "Thank God...the...police."

Buck92
02-03-2010, 12:52 PM
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Sideshow Bob
02-03-2010, 12:56 PM
DISCLAIMER: The characters portrayed herein are fictional. Any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental.

Hmmmm...

Can a moderator moderate them self?

The deep questions of our time. :D

IC ALL
02-03-2010, 01:30 PM
Oh well. I tried. Thread closed.