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av8sean
02-18-2010, 12:47 PM
Just saw a picture of the new Southern Air 777 out of ANC for Thai Cargo..

Photos: Boeing 777-FZB Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Thai-Cargo-%28Southern/Boeing-777-FZB/1654300/M/)

Few questions -
Are these American, Southern Air crews operating the flights?
Bases?
Any other updates?


ASpilot2be
02-18-2010, 02:01 PM
So thats the plane I saw on the ramp yesterday.

savannahceltic
02-18-2010, 05:19 PM
Southern Air Plane, Southern Air Flight Crews, Thai Customer Paint Job...

Home Basing.

Hiring into the Classic for now. Might change down the line as additional 777's arrive.


Skimmology
02-18-2010, 06:18 PM
Where can I find Jumpseat information about Southern?

dojetdriver
02-18-2010, 07:47 PM
Where can I find Jumpseat information about Southern?

If I'm not mistaken, they're not CASS and don't plan on getting it anytime soon. So it might make JS'ing on them difficult. Even though the ACMI's do comply with a certain directive that allows offline JS'ers on their aircraft. But I'm not sure if CASS is a requirement for that.

av8sean
02-18-2010, 09:51 PM
I'm guessing home basing negates the need (and added expense) of doing CASS..

atr42flyer
02-19-2010, 05:37 AM
20 days on 10 off is that the max you can be out at one time? are you always gone for 20?

Spongebob
02-19-2010, 06:49 AM
Not CASS though DOD carriers are supposed to be. They have some work-around on the requirement. Schedules are pretty fluid on a daily basis so reliability is on par with AMC to get where you're going and back.

That said, union hasn't pushed it due to an implicit threat to end home basing if CASS was implemented.

Speaking 2 years time-late (I left in 2008 and there's a new CEO) you are "available" for 20 days a month. Normally was one trip since it's cheaper to stick you in a hotel for a week than to fly you home and back if you have a big break in your schedule.

Actual TAFB varied widely for me. Sat at home for a month + on reserve and never got called. I was sked for a couple trips the but the flight time hogs bounced me from them....wasn't going to break guarantee anyway so I didn't care. In the other extreme, I left for a planned 2 weeks one month and got home 43 days later. I got held on the road and then rolled into next months schedule. Unless you're flying a lot there's really no penalty to the company for holding you out (no overtime unless you break guarantee). Just plan being an indentured servant and expect the company to do whatever is cheaper (1st) an easiest for them (2nd).

Great, great 95% percentile of folks there. The other 5% have skeds on their speed dial and fly anytime/anywhere regardless of the contract to support the company.

Spongebob

savannahceltic
02-19-2010, 07:55 PM
I'm guessing home basing negates the need (and added expense) of doing CASS..Pretty much. I don't miss jumpseating at all. If I want to travel somewhere on my own, I just cash in some of the miles that I have collected on the various airlines. Instead of begging for a ride to get to work, I can usually count on a upgrade into first class because of my FF status.

Are we always gone for 20...? No. usually it ends up being 16-17, because they will have to pay over the 60 hour guarantee due to trip rig if you are out past that. I have only been out 20 when there is a lot of flying to be accomplished, and I would be over 60 hours anyways. It varies so much from month to month that it is hard to give a solid answer, but the general rule is that if things are quiet, you can count on being out for 16, if things are busy, you should expect 20-25 days on the road.

fandango
02-20-2010, 02:32 PM
I see alot of conflicting things about QOL at Southern. I know there are some that can be happy anywhere and some that cant be happy anywhere. I have searched here and FI, and it seems that in the last year it has improved. Am I way off base here? The new payscale is the high 60's per hour, right? Thanks for the replies, I am going to try and make heads or tails of the info, and decide if I want to leave fish, to go find fish..... Thanks again.

savannahceltic
02-21-2010, 07:40 AM
Well, to be honest, if you are a big QOL kinda person, you should avoid International ACMI flying altogether.

What you have to understand is that if the Southern has a lot of work, you will be busy... Really busy. But if things happen to be quiet, you will sit in a hotel or at home a fair bit. There is no way to predict what your month will be like, until you are deep into it.

I have said it in the past, Southern is not for everyone. I'm not trying to scare people off, I just want to make it clear that it is better suited for pilots/PFE's that are able to adapt well to changing schedules...

In the not so distant future, when the B777's are on established runs, working for a specific customer, on a stable schedule... You might see a far better QOL, but that is our future ---> not the present day.

The best litmus test I can think of, to determine if Southern is for you is simple...

If after listening to a story about flying ol' Southern Air Transport Herc's around the wilds of Africa makes you say "Cool", then Southern might be your thing...

But if those same stories make you say "What the **** - Over", then I'd recommend you look elsewhere.

Just saying.

Giggity
02-21-2010, 08:57 AM
Not CASS though DOD carriers are supposed to be. They have some work-around on the requirement. Schedules are pretty fluid on a daily basis so reliability is on par with AMC to get where you're going and back.

That said, union hasn't pushed it due to an implicit threat to end home basing if CASS was implemented.

Speaking 2 years time-late (I left in 2008 and there's a new CEO) you are "available" for 20 days a month. Normally was one trip since it's cheaper to stick you in a hotel for a week than to fly you home and back if you have a big break in your schedule.

Actual TAFB varied widely for me. Sat at home for a month + on reserve and never got called. I was sked for a couple trips the but the flight time hogs bounced me from them....wasn't going to break guarantee anyway so I didn't care. In the other extreme, I left for a planned 2 weeks one month and got home 43 days later. I got held on the road and then rolled into next months schedule. Unless you're flying a lot there's really no penalty to the company for holding you out (no overtime unless you break guarantee). Just plan being an indentured servant and expect the company to do whatever is cheaper (1st) an easiest for them (2nd).

Great, great 95% percentile of folks there. The other 5% have skeds on their speed dial and fly anytime/anywhere regardless of the contract to support the company.

Spongebob

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!! That bad, huh?:)

LR45DRIVER
02-22-2010, 12:43 PM
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VF32TomCat
07-04-2010, 09:10 AM
Any info in southern Air New pay scale, it is the same that is posted? what about overtime, or duty rate when you seating on reserve? can anyone provide info?

BARRELL RIDER
07-31-2010, 11:16 AM
Does anyone know of the best way to get noticed by Southern Air? I have been recomended, faxed my resume along with said recommendation letter, and drove out to Norwalk and personally handed in my quaifications. I am currently a downgraded RJ captain (9000 hrs. TT) based out of JFK. After 9 years at a regional, flying long haul cargo wordwide is exactly what I want to do. I keep hearing that they have been calling people with less experience who have no connections whatsoever. Any info on how to shine would be great.:confused:

robthree
07-31-2010, 11:23 PM
@Barrell
Get the CP's phone number from your recommender and make a call. Actually, keep calling until you get through - don't leave a message. I kept calling until he answered, and the next day I had a job offer. Be ready to jump. Half my class seems to have been called on Thursday or Friday to be in Miami on Sunday.:eek:

Oh and email your resume, if you only faxed it before.

@Tomcat
I'm not on the line yet, so my info is secondhand via HR and various instructors. There are several kinds of additive pay credits above guarantee, and trip rig in the contract. They say you often will not break basic guarantee in your 20 day block, however the guy in HR estimated the average paycheck is around 80-90 credits.

There is a trip rig of 3.5 hours/credit for every day away from base.
If you are out for more than 20 days you get extended duty pay, which is trip rig at 5.0 credit/day.
If you work a guaranteed day off you get block plus 4.0 on top of guarantee.
The posted payscale looks current.
1st year CA 88.49 FO/SO 59.42
2nd year CA 105.84 FO/SO 67.91

ClutchCargo
08-01-2010, 10:13 AM
If after listening to a story about flying ol' Southern Air Transport Herc's around the wilds of Africa makes you say "Cool", then Southern might be your thing....


Sounds pretty scary to me.

PCLCREW
08-01-2010, 02:25 PM
Does anyone know of the best way to get noticed by Southern Air? I have been recomended, faxed my resume along with said recommendation letter, and drove out to Norwalk and personally handed in my quaifications. I am currently a downgraded RJ captain (9000 hrs. TT) based out of JFK. After 9 years at a regional, flying long haul cargo wordwide is exactly what I want to do. I keep hearing that they have been calling people with less experience who have no connections whatsoever. Any info on how to shine would be great.:confused:

Sounds like things must be pretty busy over in Norwalk... Had my resume handed to the CP who asked my buddy if he knew anybody who would work there.. Resume handed in.. 2 weeks go by and my buddy calls me and askes when my interview was.. Tell me him I never got a call. He was kinda stunned.. goes and askes the CP (who I guess he is somewhat buddys with) if there was a problem with my resume or time etc etc.. CP says Oh ya I remember him we already interviewed him!!!

ha ha ha.. Things must be pretty nuts over there with the 777 and the growth I guess. Im gonna keep trying.

Spongebob
08-01-2010, 07:24 PM
After 9 years at a regional, flying long haul cargo wordwide is exactly what I want to do.
SAI is ACMI Cargo. Quite different from "long haul cargo". Just make sure you understand the differences. As in, be ready for anything. I was given a S. America line in winter, and...ended up in N. Europe the whole time. Fortunately I packed smart. Our FE...not-so-much.

Not sure how it is now, but when I was there there were very, very few guys with nothing but a straight-121 pax airline background. Between the steam guages, no FMS/GPS in some of the jets and the style of ops/(lack of) home office support when on the road, I think their success rate with that background was low. Nothing against those folks...just quite different (how many times have your RJ ground handlers been packing AK's??). It's really much closer to 135/corporate 91 ops with a 747 than a 121 airline...and remember you'll go to places like Quito, Kano and the DRC...intermixed with trips that are more "normal" (ICN-ANC-JFK, etc.).

However, it's also a lot of fun for some of us.

Back in 2007, I was called on a Thursday (out of the blue) to start class on the following Monday...they let me defer for a month. Don't forget the home operation is SMALL. CP handles all the hiring, only a couple HR folks....

Good luck!
Spongebob

teeb57
08-02-2010, 01:42 AM
I got a call three weeks ago on a Tuesday, so did two of my former co workers. All of us were asked if we could start monday. None of us were called by the Chief Pilot. This was the 1st time I've heard of someone other than the C.P. giving folks a call.

I had no internal recs from anyone at Southern. Wish I could tell you more, but I don't know how I got picked. Best of luck to you

ryguy
08-02-2010, 01:55 AM
The new paint on the classics is pretty slick, looks great.



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