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ThreeSides
03-10-2010, 02:00 AM
Thank you to the Executive Board members in SDF yesterday who made this happen:


"Your Executive Board has been working on several issues related to UPS' announced furlough and wants all potential furloughees to know the following information before schedule bid 10-03 closes tomorrow morning, Wednesday 1000 local SDF.

Due to complexity in how to handle numerous issues when furloughing a crewmember in the middle of a pay period UPS has agreed to extend the first date of furlough to the end of pay period 10-02, May 22, 2010. This will be the furlough date for the first 54 crewmembers that have already received official notice of an anticipated furlough date of May 8th.

Your Executive Board continues to discuss several additional outstanding furlough issues with UPS and will communicate any additional information when able."


JethroFDX
03-10-2010, 03:03 AM
Good luck and prayers toward everyone involved.

GOCKY
03-10-2010, 06:35 PM
Mmmm. They're delaying the furloughing of the 3 dispatchers too. I'm beginning to think that there will be no furloughs. Someone in ATL is realizing that it might not be a good idea. (I have nothing to base this thought on but intuition)

That being said, they are doing the same thing to the dispatchers that they did to the pilots (dispatchers are giving up unpaid days off to try to save the three dispatchers)

My theory is they never planned on actually furloughing, so they figured they can make a few bucks from the union folks with this RIF tactic until the volume is back up. Pretty smart if you think about it.


CheyDogFlies
03-10-2010, 08:22 PM
And from my lurking on the FDX threads, it looks like they are exiting the 4a2b thing. Would UPS furlough while FDX is increasing their block hours?

Planes on the ground
Planes on the ground
Lookin like a fool with your planes on the ground
(credit to MR on B&G)

Shaggy1970
03-10-2010, 09:45 PM
I wish I could dump my UPS stock without a penalty! Who is running this place anyway?

freightretriever
03-11-2010, 04:25 AM
I wish I could dump my UPS stock without a penalty! Who is running this place anyway?

Unfortunately I think the bean counters are in power. If that is the case they will eventually run the company into the ground. I've seen it too many times before. :mad:

CactusCrew
03-11-2010, 05:15 AM
Thank you to the Executive Board members in SDF yesterday who made this happen:


"Your Executive Board has been working on several issues related to UPS' announced furlough and wants all potential furloughees to know the following information before schedule bid 10-03 closes tomorrow morning, Wednesday 1000 local SDF.

Due to complexity in how to handle numerous issues when furloughing a crewmember in the middle of a pay period UPS has agreed to extend the first date of furlough to the end of pay period 10-02, May 22, 2010. This will be the furlough date for the first 54 crewmembers that have already received official notice of an anticipated furlough date of May 8th.

Your Executive Board continues to discuss several additional outstanding furlough issues with UPS and will communicate any additional information when able."

So how can a global logistics company track a package as small as a jewelry box across numerous continents, but can't prorate pay, vacations, longevity, pension contributions, etc.

In this case it is a good thing for the employees that our internal software is ancient and outdated. Most of the time it is not in our favor ...

Or there is something more to this than meets the eye. Like the lack of available reserves in ANC on the 400 for this current pay period ...

fr8rcaptain
03-11-2010, 06:33 AM
Just a thought: getting the axe half way through a bid period could penalize those who haven't met their minimum duty credit hour for accruals. This way everyone will get longevity, sick, vacation credit for the last pay period.

The seniority/longevity credit is important during the eventual recall.

My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved.

CactusCrew
03-11-2010, 06:38 AM
Just a thought: getting the axe half way through a bid period could penalize those who haven't met their minimum duty credit hour for accruals. This way everyone will get longevity, sick, vacation credit for the last pay period.

The seniority/longevity credit is important during the eventual recall.

My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved.

And it would NEVER occur to UPS to give all of them full credit for a partial bid period on the way out the door.

I just don't see this "extension" as anything but a glitch in UPS's system.

Don't take it the wrong way, I see how this is a benefit to the ones let go ... I just think it also happens to be an unintended consequence on UPS's part. Not some gracious gift bestowed upon us by our benevolent employer.

;)

Naven
03-11-2010, 07:02 AM
How many of the 54 are on the MD11 or 400?

CheyDogFlies
03-11-2010, 07:29 AM
How many of the 54 are on the MD11 or 400?

32-ish ...........

Freightpuppy
03-11-2010, 09:08 AM
I wish I could dump my UPS stock without a penalty! Who is running this place anyway?

A bunch of, contrary to popular belief, SMART people.

ThreeSides
03-11-2010, 03:54 PM
And it would NEVER occur to UPS to give all of them full credit for a partial bid period on the way out the door.

I just don't see this "extension" as anything but a glitch in UPS's system.

Don't take it the wrong way, I see how this is a benefit to the ones let go ... I just think it also happens to be an unintended consequence on UPS's part. Not some gracious gift bestowed upon us by our benevolent employer.

;)
There are no gifts. You get what you negotiate.

UPSCAPT
03-11-2010, 05:42 PM
There are no gifts. You get what you negotiate.

I agree. Except this EB has failed to negotiate anything of value. BT failed to save the bottom 300 jobs and gave away the farm on the instant trip trade arbitration, but hey we got us a tough talkin' president!

say that again
03-11-2010, 05:52 PM
I agree. Except this EB has failed to negotiate anything of value. BT failed to save the bottom 300 jobs and gave away the farm on the instant trip trade arbitration, but hey we got us a tough talkin' president!

Just curious, how do you figure he gave away the store?

FliFast
03-11-2010, 08:37 PM
And from my lurking on the FDX threads, it looks like they are exiting the 4a2b thing. Would UPS furlough while FDX is increasing their block hours?



Fred isn't going to lose any ground like he did last recession to UPS.

UPS is shrinking into a "Worldport will save all" mentality. There are some savings due to economies of scale with Worldport and also in the consolidation of fleets that UPS has neglected to tout.

Coming from an airline that only had 1 1/2 hubs and is no longer around it doesnt seem that consolidation of sort facilities leads to gaining in market share.

Would UPS furlough when FDX is poised for growth...sure FDX=airline. UPS trucking company....two diff. ways of delivering the same product.

Freightpuppy
03-12-2010, 06:29 AM
I agree. Except this EB has failed to negotiate anything of value. BT failed to save the bottom 300 jobs and gave away the farm on the instant trip trade arbitration, but hey we got us a tough talkin' president!

So we'll see you running in the next election since you can handle the 800 lb manipulative gorilla singlehandedly eh?

Have you ever filed a greviance? In my limited time here I have filed at least 5 and it never ceases to amaze me with the unbelievable bullcrap labor comes up with to get out of paying someone $20! They remind me of the guy that gets caught redhanded by his wife in bed with another woman and says "Honey, it's not what it looks like!"

I'll look for your name on the next ballot. :D

UPSCAPT
03-12-2010, 10:35 AM
Yes, I have filed many grievances, I have worked with a few committees in my time here. I agree about the labor arguments. Some are correct, but some are laughable. I fully support the EB, but will not give false praise in order to do that.

Sideshow Bob
03-12-2010, 12:05 PM
Just curious, how do you figure he gave away the store?

I was wondering the same thing...

UPS' counter to the MOU (in UPS' accounting despite the other true savings identified by IPA) was:

A 13.5% across the board pay cut
A large reduction in the B Plan
Elimination of domestic airline tix

And likely some other stuff I forgot about since it was so ridiculous.

Any counter offer to that (or in his parlance "negotiation") would still have been a contract concession which the overwhelming majority would not support, not to mention it would have required a vote hence it was beyond his powers (AKA he's not Miller who loved side deals).

Perhaps he's RD behind a screen name still stomping on those sour grapes. :D

VegasBoy
03-12-2010, 12:11 PM
UPS Honored as "Best Corporate Citizen"

ATLANTA, March 11, 2010 – UPS (NYSE:UPS) has become the only package delivery company named to this year’s “100 Best Corporate Citizens” list by Corporate Responsibility magazine.
Known as one of the world’s top corporate responsibility rankings, the annual list is comprised of Russell 1000 companies that have been evaluated on their performance in seven key areas: Environment, Climate Change, Human Rights, Philanthropy, Employee Relations, Financial Performance and Governance.

UPS was ranked No. 46 on the 2010 list and was cited particularly for its record in the areas of Environment, Climate Change and Governance.

“We are truly honored by this recognition because it reflects our continued efforts to be transparent,” said Bob Stoffel, UPS senior vice president of supply chain, strategy, engineering and sustainability. “We strongly believe that environmental performance, stakeholder engagement and investments in the communities where we operate are essential to our business strategy.”

UPS has received a number of other honors for its sustainability efforts, most recently being rated the “World’s Most Admired” company in the delivery industry and ranked No. 1 in the world for its commitment to social responsibility.

More information about UPS’s sustainability initiatives is available at Home - UPS Corporate Responsibility (http://www.ups.com/responsibility).


You have got to be effing kidding me.

Sideshow Bob
03-12-2010, 12:44 PM
UPS Honored as "Best Corporate Citizen"

ATLANTA, March 11, 2010 – UPS (NYSE:UPS) has become the only package delivery company named to this year’s “100 Best Corporate Citizens” list by Corporate Responsibility magazine.
Known as one of the world’s top corporate responsibility rankings, the annual list is comprised of Russell 1000 companies that have been evaluated on their performance in seven key areas: Environment, Climate Change, Human Rights, Philanthropy, Employee Relations, Financial Performance and Governance.

UPS was ranked No. 46 on the 2010 list and was cited particularly for its record in the areas of Environment, Climate Change and Governance.

“We are truly honored by this recognition because it reflects our continued efforts to be transparent,” said Bob Stoffel, UPS senior vice president of supply chain, strategy, engineering and sustainability. “We strongly believe that environmental performance, stakeholder engagement and investments in the communities where we operate are essential to our business strategy.”

UPS has received a number of other honors for its sustainability efforts, most recently being rated the “World’s Most Admired” company in the delivery industry and ranked No. 1 in the world for its commitment to social responsibility.

More information about UPS’s sustainability initiatives is available at Home - UPS Corporate Responsibility (http://www.ups.com/responsibility).


You have got to be effing kidding me.

Dude...I actually did throw up in my mouth a little bit after choking on my coffee back down the wrong pipe as I read that.

Waborita
03-12-2010, 12:54 PM
I was wondering the same thing...

UPS' counter to the MOU (in UPS' accounting despite the other true savings identified by IPA) was:

A 13.5% across the board pay cut
A large reduction in the B Plan
Elimination of domestic airline tix

And likely some other stuff I forgot about since it was so ridiculous.

Any counter offer to that (or in his parlance "negotiation") would still have been a contract concession which the overwhelming majority would not support, not to mention it would have required a vote hence it was beyond his powers (AKA he's not Miller who loved side deals).

Perhaps he's RD behind a screen name still stomping on those sour grapes. :D


PBS was the one that made me LMAO when UPS said yeah just allow PBS and we won't furlough ( I bet that wouldn't take 4 years to implement). The EB said PBS would have us 600 pilots overstaffed (Just say NO to PBS). I want some of what UPS management is smoking.:D

say that again
03-17-2010, 09:26 PM
I was wondering the same thing...

UPS' counter to the MOU (in UPS' accounting despite the other true savings identified by IPA) was:

A 13.5% across the board pay cut
A large reduction in the B Plan
Elimination of domestic airline tix

And likely some other stuff I forgot about since it was so ridiculous.

Any counter offer to that (or in his parlance "negotiation") would still have been a contract concession which the overwhelming majority would not support, not to mention it would have required a vote hence it was beyond his powers (AKA he's not Miller who loved side deals).

Perhaps he's RD behind a screen name still stomping on those sour grapes. :D
Actually I was being a bit more specific in my question. I am still curious how we "gave away the store" in the trip trade arbitration settlement. I don't have a dog in this fight, just curious.



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