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L'il J.Seinfeld
04-07-2010, 09:47 PM
Some in the IPA have stated that furloughs are a "necessary evil" and a "rite of passage." One inconsiderate capt I overheard even said, "You're not a real airline pilot until you've been furloughed."

I just took a hard look at the first 54 set to be released next month. I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got. Not that it matters, but if furloughs were merit based, not a single one of this group would be leaving.

-The oldest is 55.
-The youngest is 33.
-20 of the 54 (37%) are older than 45.
-Only 22 of the 54 (40%) were born after 1/1/1970.
-There are at least 4 military O-6s, including at least 2 Vice or Wing Commanders in the Guard/Reserve.
-At least half left 6 figure jobs for the stability of cargo and UPS. These included Atlas 747-400 captains, World MD-11 captains, and several Cathay FOs.

This is not a group of 20 somethings who will have decades to recoup their lost earnings. This is predominantly a group that has college aged children not that much younger than the baby boomers. But most importantly this is the creme of the crop from thousands of applicants hoping for UPS back in 2007.

I fear that we should have lowered out guarantee for a year to avert this furlough, but that doesn't matter yet either. Shame on UPS for moving these folks to ANC and furloughing them there and not giving them paid moves back to civilization.


MrSuupafly
04-08-2010, 01:31 AM
They are furloughing them without paid moves back?:eek: That is pure evil...

weatherman
04-08-2010, 01:47 AM
ups is a pos. we only have eachother ipa. except for one greedy bastard who picked up a long trip to hnl, even though the eb published a solidarity policy against that.

sleep well in paradise roberto. many ipa pilots and their families are facing a very difficult challenge in their lives. not that you care. everyone will long remember your betrayal.

he's admitted it on the bar and grill. he just doesn't give a damn.


McBoeingBus
04-08-2010, 04:29 AM
Interresting post, Lil J. Thanks.

JustUnderPar
04-08-2010, 04:46 AM
Some in the IPA have stated that furloughs are a "necessary evil" and a "rite of passage." One inconsiderate capt I overheard even said, "You're not a real airline pilot until you've been furloughed."

I just took a hard look at the first 54 set to be released next month. I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got. Not that it matters, but if furloughs were merit based, not a single one of this group would be leaving.

-The oldest is 55.
-The youngest is 33.
-20 of the 54 (37%) are older than 45.
-Only 22 of the 54 (40%) were born after 1/1/1970.
-There are at least 4 military O-6s, including at least 2 Vice or Wing Commanders in the Guard/Reserve.
-At least half left 6 figure jobs for the stability of cargo and UPS. These included Atlas 747-400 captains, World MD-11 captains, and several Cathay FOs.

This is not a group of 20 somethings who will have decades to recoup their lost earnings. This is predominantly a group that has college aged children not that much younger than the baby boomers. But most importantly this is the creme of the crop from thousands of applicants hoping for UPS back in 2007.

I fear that we should have lowered out guarantee for a year to avert this furlough, but that doesn't matter yet either. Shame on UPS for moving these folks to ANC and furloughing them there and not giving them paid moves back to civilization.

Thanks L'il J.

Where did you get the data points? Seems like a lot of work unless you are whom I think you are.

The IPA sent out furlough packets, got mine yesterday. They have negotiated discount shipping for our stuff back to somewhere we can get a job. Glad its cheap to live here. To say its a bitter taste how we are being treated.

At least they are not coming to my house and breaking in to give me an assignment:D

DaRaiders
04-08-2010, 06:15 AM
What percentage of those furloughees have been through a furlough before? I bet many of them already went through that rite of passage.

767pilot
04-08-2010, 06:30 AM
Lil J,
Thanks for helping to put a human face on this
Weatherman,
At least Roberto got a long layover. It wasn't about the money afterall......riiiiighht

Buck92
04-08-2010, 07:00 AM
................. disregard. just ate at the Bar & Grill......

Blueridger
04-08-2010, 07:26 AM
This brings up the touchy subject of how fair/unfair the pilot seniority system is. Ultimately, for those who rail against socialism, the company seniority system is socialism in its purest form, ie. it takes all merit based values and throws them out the window. Your pay and quality of life ultimately depend on only one variable: your date of hire. Is that messed up? I believe it is, but at the same time, we all know what would happen if it became otherwise. The only advantage to the current system is that it takes all politics out of the decision making of who gets to upgrade and when.
As for the cream of the crop being let go, that seems to be the case at many other companies including NJA. The boys and girls who stuck it out there making pathetic salaries back in the day are now reaping the rewards of being on the "page of shame" at a very reputable company that has been turned around largely by the actions of the later hires. It makes me sick to my stomach to think of some of these individuals (just a few, not ALL) who can barely do their job on daily basis without screwing something up, while others far more deserving get kicked to the curb.
Ambition will only get you so far in aviation, the rest just depends on how lucky you got with your DOH. Just have to roll the dice........

All my best to those furloughed UPS, NJA, and all others for that matter. I may be joining your ranks here shortly.

767pilot
04-08-2010, 08:55 AM
The only advantage to the current system is that it takes all politics out of the decision making of who gets to upgrade and when....


To your comment I'd ask, "isn't that enough?"

But still, You'd have to recognize it takes favoritism out of scheduling, vacations, domicile assignments, and more if you think about it. ideally, everyone gets the chance to be senior some day.

UPSFO4LIFE
04-08-2010, 09:42 AM
. ideally, everyone gets the chance to be senior some day.

Not so sure I agree with you last statement!

Scoop
04-08-2010, 10:02 AM
Some in the IPA have stated that furloughs are a "necessary evil" and a "rite of passage." One inconsiderate capt I overheard even said, "You're not a real airline pilot until you've been furloughed."

I just took a hard look at the first 54 set to be released next month. I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got. Not that it matters, but if furloughs were merit based, not a single one of this group would be leaving.

-The oldest is 55.
-The youngest is 33.
-20 of the 54 (37%) are older than 45.
-Only 22 of the 54 (40%) were born after 1/1/1970.
-There are at least 4 military O-6s, including at least 2 Vice or Wing Commanders in the Guard/Reserve.
-At least half left 6 figure jobs for the stability of cargo and UPS. These included Atlas 747-400 captains, World MD-11 captains, and several Cathay FOs.

This is not a group of 20 somethings who will have decades to recoup their lost earnings. This is predominantly a group that has college aged children not that much younger than the baby boomers. But most importantly this is the creme of the crop from thousands of applicants hoping for UPS back in 2007.

I fear that we should have lowered out guarantee for a year to avert this furlough, but that doesn't matter yet either. Shame on UPS for moving these folks to ANC and furloughing them there and not giving them paid moves back to civilization.


Lil J,

You are correct - this group is highly qualified and I wish the best of luck to all of them but I have a question. Is this any worse then being at a company 10 years and then getting furloughed? What about the UAL guys who were furloughed, recalled and then furloughed again? If guys left Captain jobs at other airlines they made a conscious decision to give up their seniority for a better job. And I believe, in the long run they all made the correct decision.

This industry blows - period. About 5 years ago a lot of guys getting out of the military (including a lot of my misguided buddies) were saying that they would only go to a cargo outfit, a fractional, or Southwest. When I asked why, they would all respond something like - "They are the best companies and consistently profitable." Whenever I would hear this I would always laugh. I said it before and I will say it again - If you are getting hired at the "place to be" it is already too late. Ideally you want to get hired somewhere and then have it blossom into a great place. Since no one knows whats the next up and coming Pilot job we are all gambling a bit. They were making the classic pilot mistake of extrapolating the current conditions out to 20 and 30 years - it does not work.

FWIW - Furloughs blow - I was furloughed, but I think the UPS guys will all do pretty good in the long run. I think being furloughed from UPS is still better than working at some other airlines.

Scoop

FrontSeat
04-08-2010, 10:13 AM
If you are getting hired at the "place to be" it is already too late. Ideally you want to get hired somewhere and then have it blossom into a great place. Since no one knows whats the next up and coming Pilot job we are all gambling a bit. They were making the classic pilot mistake of extrapolating the current conditions out to 20 and 30 years - it does not work.
Scoop

Exactly...Its just like playing the stock market. When I came to UPS I bought high hoping to sell higher...but it almost never works that way with employment....I should have known....

There is a day trading saying that "the trend is your friend" but trends in the airlines are very short lived.....

Grumble
04-08-2010, 11:22 AM
Imagine being the guy that took a job years ago with some rinky dink outfit flying Falcon 20's instead of going to Eastern, Braniff, Pan Am, TWA.

"FedEx, who the hell is that?"

cessnapilot
04-08-2010, 02:03 PM
Lil J,

You are correct - this group is highly qualified and I wish the best of luck to all of them but I have a question. Is this any worse then being at a company 10 years and then getting furloughed? What about the UAL guys who were furloughed, recalled and then furloughed again? If guys left Captain jobs at other airlines they made a conscious decision to give up their seniority for a better job. And I believe, in the long run they all made the correct decision.

This industry blows - period. About 5 years ago a lot of guys getting out of the military (including a lot of my misguided buddies) were saying that they would only go to a cargo outfit, a fractional, or Southwest. When I asked why, they would all respond something like - "They are the best companies and consistently profitable." Whenever I would hear this I would always laugh. I said it before and I will say it again - If you are getting hired at the "place to be" it is already too late. Ideally you want to get hired somewhere and then have it blossom into a great place. Since no one knows whats the next up and coming Pilot job we are all gambling a bit. They were making the classic pilot mistake of extrapolating the current conditions out to 20 and 30 years - it does not work.

FWIW - Furloughs blow - I was furloughed, but I think the UPS guys will all do pretty good in the long run. I think being furloughed from UPS is still better than working at some other airlines.

Scoop

you are correct... it's not always easy to have the long view, but with passing time all things will (I believe) be much better. I don't regret (or miss) leaving nwa after 10 years. In the long run, this will be a better job. I will just enjoy my time at home with the kids and return when called. It's a job, so don't get too bent out of shape at their actions. I remember flying with people at nwa and twa who couldn't let go of the past. It's unhealthy and it will destroy you... just my worthless .02
cp

Blueridger
04-08-2010, 02:29 PM
To your comment I'd ask, "isn't that enough?"
ideally, everyone gets the chance to be senior some day.

Ideally, that's the way it should work. Realistically, that's not the way it works. We all know this industry is very cyclical. If you get on with a company during the tail end of a hiring spree, it will very likely position you poorly for the rest of your life.

But, the way the system is vs. the way the system could be set up, as you pointed out, you're "damned if you do, damned if you don't"! This is one of the few industries where individuals spend a fortune and tons of effort to break into it, only to walk away a few years later because the system crushed their effort to pave a good career for themselves. Everyone in the world makes lateral transfers based on their credentials, but not pilots! It's an embarrassing dilemna for us when we lose our jobs and face the prospect of making janitor wages all over again......

767pilot
04-08-2010, 02:59 PM
Not so sure I agree with you last statement!

Well hopefully you'll be more senior than when you started. :rolleyes:

FrontSeat
04-08-2010, 04:09 PM
Everyone in the world makes lateral transfers based on their credentials, but not pilots!

Corporate pilots can make lateral moves or in my case climb the ladder with every move....

unless you don't consider corporate pilots real pilots.......

Jetjok
04-08-2010, 05:37 PM
The seniority system, while not the "perfect solution", is in my estimation, far and away better than any other system that is currently out there. To understand why, all one needs to do is to spend some time under any other form of employment system. Of course the beauty of the seniority system is that you know where you stand, from the first moment you're assigned your seniority number, until the day you leave the property.

Of course the problem as mentioned earlier in this thread is certainly on target, that problem being that not everyone will rise to the "top", relative to seniority. However, that is not a function of the system itself, but of the hiring practices of the various companies that employ the seniority system. Due to supply and demand, pilots are hired with no particular attention to their age, or even an age limit (which wasn't the case back in the 60's and 70's, when if you were over about 30, you couldn't get hired by an airline. So today, the seniority system is sort of screwed up considering the demographics of the piloting group, what with some junior guys pushing 50+, while some senior guys are in their 40's. Yes, those older junior guys will never gain the top seniority because they will “time out” sooner. The key of course is to make good decisions within your airline, and above all, to have been lucky enough to have made a good initial choice. Even then, you really can’t tell how you’ve done until you’re done doing it. Only then can you actually look back and determine if you made the most of your working life, or if, because of bad decisions, bad luck, or bad timing, you could have done better.

Personally I’ve worked under the “military” method, the “merit” method, and the “seniority” method. I always found it distasteful for someone to be able to “screw” their way to the top. I saw it many times in both my other civilian and even my military experiences, and it always bothered me for much longer than it should have. Just imagine how you’d feel, working for your airline, when they hire 10 new guys and all of a sudden 5 of them are senior to you, based on their perceived skills or “worth” to the airline. Then when the next class gets hired, 6 months later, all of them jump over you in seniority. How would you like that? Not much I’d expect.

JJ

UPSFO4LIFE
04-08-2010, 05:53 PM
Well hopefully you'll be more senior than when you started. :rolleyes:

God I hope so, but so far it has not worked out that way.:(

contrails
04-08-2010, 06:04 PM
Imagine being the guy that took a job years ago with some rinky dink outfit flying Falcon 20's instead of going to Eastern, Braniff, Pan Am, TWA.

"FedEx, who the hell is that?"

I know of a guy who was flying 135 in the middle of the night somewhere down south years ago. He had fueled up his Baron or whatever it was, and was standing around outside the FBO on the ramp waiting for a van to bring some packages. It was o'dark thirty.

A Falcon landed and pulled up and shut down. Two young guys his age hopped out and made their way to the FBO. One went in, and the other stayed out and chatted with him for a bit.

This pilot told the Falcon guy he was waiting for his van to come with the freight. The Falcon guy said, hey, we're hiring if you're interested. The pilot said thanks I'll keep it in mind but I'm kind of getting tired of the night flying and I think I'd like to switch to another type of flying soon.

The Falcon guy said one last time as his co-worker came back outside and they made their way back to the jet, "well like I said, if you're interested, next week there's a class and all you'd have to do is show up, it's called Federal Express, here's my number. See ya!"

It would have been a seniority number easily in the double digits.



If only we all had a crystal ball.

ExAF
04-08-2010, 06:40 PM
Well hopefully you'll be more senior than when you started. :rolleyes:After the merger between NWA and DAL, I will never have a seniority number as high as my new hire seniority number over 10 years ago at NWA. Think about that one for a while!:rolleyes::p

Skymaster
04-09-2010, 03:35 AM
I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got.

This is just pure laughable at best. The FAA never "mandated" (unofficial or official) any carriers hiring as long as it met FAR's.

Give me a break.

navigatro
04-09-2010, 03:59 AM
double post

navigatro
04-09-2010, 04:00 AM
This is just pure laughable at best. The FAA never "mandated" (unofficial or official) any carriers hiring as long as it met FAR's.

Give me a break.

You can laugh all you want, but what Seinfeld says is true.

CactusCrew
04-09-2010, 04:22 AM
Yes Skymaster, the FAA cannot dictate who UPS hires. What it can do is strongly urge UPS to send highly qualified crewmembers to ANC due to the nature of the flying out of the base.

In turn, UPS adjustred its hiring practices to require heavy international experience. That is a fact. Online applications without heavy international experience were given the "thanks, but no thanks" e-mail when the interview selection process became completely automated.

Its not funny that anyone with or without these credentials now face the prospect of unemployment ...

FliFast
04-09-2010, 04:32 AM
This is just pure laughable at best. The FAA never "mandated" (unofficial or official) any carriers hiring as long as it met FAR's.

Give me a break.

I had known our former POI DK, from before my days at UPS. After getting hired here, I talked him during the proving runs of the 747-400 about this very subject.

He said when ANC was opened as a crew base for UPS not many would bid it except for middle seniority F/Os in order to get the early upgrade. He felt that many of them had (I'm just the messenger) low PIC time in heavy jets flying to Asia. In addition, the new contract transformed the IRO position from a Capt-only position to a First Officer position.

Thus he approached UPS and recommended when hiring "right into the right seat" for the MD11 in ANC that they hire highly experienced pilots with PIC time in heavy jets and overwater experience or face the possibility of increased ramp/line checks.

FF

Skymaster
04-09-2010, 02:17 PM
Its not funny that anyone with or without these credentials now face the prospect of unemployment ...

It's Karma rearing it's ugly head.

brown snowman
04-09-2010, 02:25 PM
It's Karma rearing it's ugly head.
Please explain.

Slice
04-09-2010, 02:43 PM
Please explain.

If my memory serves correctly, he's a DHL ********...and blames us for their actions apparently. (Not slamming the non-******** DHL dudes).

SaltyDog
04-09-2010, 02:46 PM
It's Karma rearing it's ugly head.

Skymaster,
Know you have an axe to grind, so be it. Remember many of us at Brown were mighty sympathetic at the time. Still have many of your colleagues and my friends that took the same hit as you.

Skymaster
04-09-2010, 03:01 PM
If my memory serves correctly, he's a DHL ********...and blames us for their actions apparently. (Not slamming the non-******** DHL dudes).

Not blaming anyone, just stating a fact. Back 2 years ago when alot of the DHL pilots were going to be facing furlough due to the failed UPS/DHL deal MANY of your UPS pilot/posters here were saying "suck it up" and "hey, that's just how the airline world works", etc, etc.

Karma has a way of rearing it's ugly head.

Slice
04-09-2010, 03:14 PM
Not blaming anyone, just stating a fact. Back 2 years ago when alot of the DHL pilots were going to be facing furlough due to the failed UPS/DHL deal MANY of your UPS pilot/posters here were saying "suck it up" and "hey, that's just how the airline world works", etc, etc.

Karma has a way of rearing it's ugly head.

Well, I'm pretty sure the guys pulling the strings at both companies are still getting rich...where's your karma there?:rolleyes:

Skymaster
04-09-2010, 04:58 PM
Well, I'm pretty sure the guys pulling the strings at both companies are still getting rich...where's your karma there?:rolleyes:

Give it time.

767pilot
04-09-2010, 07:49 PM
Not blaming anyone, just stating a fact. Back 2 years ago when alot of the DHL pilots were going to be facing furlough due to the failed UPS/DHL deal MANY of your UPS pilot/posters here were saying "suck it up" and "hey, that's just how the airline world works", etc, etc.

Karma has a way of rearing it's ugly head.

So assume you are right about Karma. How do you know that the 54 heading for the door were the same 54 rooting for you guys to fail? Could Karma maybe be punishing the wrong people? Do you get some kind of misery loves company kick out of seeing the wrong guys punished? You should seek help.

Skymaster
04-10-2010, 06:52 AM
So assume you are right about Karma. How do you know that the 54 heading for the door were the same 54 rooting for you guys to fail? Could Karma maybe be punishing the wrong people? Do you get some kind of misery loves company kick out of seeing the wrong guys punished? You should seek help.

I'm just fine, thanks for asking. And I'm far from "miserable" since I retired and moved on with my life.

Furlough sucks. My point here is everyone should keep that in mind at all times. Be careful what you wish for on others, for Karma will raise it's ugly head once more.

JustUnderPar
04-10-2010, 07:02 AM
Sky,
It obviously bothers you that you lost your job. It is bothering me that I am losing mine. You've moved on? Why do you come on here?

Pretty funny you think the pilots here are responsible for what happened to you? Wait. Maybe I should be ****ed off at my FedEx friends for me losing my job? They are taking our market share. Wait. Maybe I should be ****ed at the Atlas guys for flying our stuff? Wait. Maybe I should be ****ed at senior guys not retiring at 60?

Na. I dont hold any of this stuff against the people mentioned above.

Who I do hold responsible (and so should you) is the management teams in place to put the company in situations that require actions like this. But hey. If you want to go through life wishing people ill will. Go ahead. Have at it. Enjoy.:cool::

Skymaster
04-10-2010, 07:18 AM
Sky,
It obviously bothers you that you lost your job. It is bothering me that I am losing mine. You've moved on? Why do you come on here?

Pretty funny you think the pilots here are responsible for what happened to you? Wait. Maybe I should be ****ed off at my FedEx friends for me losing my job? They are taking our market share. Wait. Maybe I should be ****ed at the Atlas guys for flying our stuff? Wait. Maybe I should be ****ed at senior guys not retiring at 60?

Na. I dont hold any of this stuff against the people mentioned above.

Who I do hold responsible (and so should you) is the management teams in place to put the company in situations that require actions like this. But hey. If you want to go through life wishing people ill will. Go ahead. Have at it. Enjoy.:cool::

Never said I was "****ed off at anyone. I was just pointing out some facts. I find it a bit amusing that those who were applauding the demise of one group and are now about to go through the same thing find it appalling it could happen to them.

It's called Karma.

767pilot
04-10-2010, 07:21 AM
Be careful what you wish for on others, for Karma will raise it's ugly head once more.

Something tells me that you need a peek in Ye Olde Mirror. You seem to be revelling in the misery of others. Glad to hear that you have moved on.

JustUnderPar
04-10-2010, 01:13 PM
Never said I was "****ed off at anyone. I was just pointing out some facts. I find it a bit amusing that those who were applauding the demise of one group and are now about to go through the same thing find it appalling it could happen to them.

It's called Karma.

I know this is a waste of time BUT....

If you could be more specific how you believe the IPA was involved in the demise of your job. Or more specifically anyone who was applauding it?

I dont think you understand Karma if this is the way you feel.

Good luck in your new career. I seem to be following the same path. I hope it works out. I know I need all the luck I can get.

JUP

Skymaster
04-10-2010, 01:31 PM
I know this is a waste of time BUT....

If you could be more specific how you believe the IPA was involved in the demise of your job. Or more specifically anyone who was applauding it?

I dont think you understand Karma if this is the way you feel.

Good luck in your new career. I seem to be following the same path. I hope it works out. I know I need all the luck I can get.

JUP

Never said anything about the IPA. My comments were made about a few posters on this forum who are pilots for UPS that were reveling in the fact that UPS would be taking over DHL flying and were berating the DHL pilots for complaining about being furloughed. Also remember the UPS pilots that were berating the Astar guys for picketing Atlanta?

Sorry for your situation, it just plain sucks.

JustUnderPar
04-10-2010, 01:35 PM
Never said anything about the IPA. My comments were made about a few posters on this forum who are pilots for UPS that were reveling in the fact that UPS would be taking over DHL flying and were berating the DHL pilots for complaining about being furloughed. Also remember the UPS pilots that were berating the Astar guys for picketing Atlanta?

Sorry for your situation, it just plain sucks.

It does for a lot of people. If you only knew how we were getting treated by our employer.

I think a lot of people here, in the IPA, supported it when you guys were picketing Atlanta (they need more picketing down there!)

They are first class @#$%@#$%. (I already got in trouble once today so I will be nice:D).

Naven
04-10-2010, 03:02 PM
Never said anything about the IPA. My comments were made about a few posters on this forum who are pilots for UPS that were reveling in the fact that UPS would be taking over DHL flying and were berating the DHL pilots for complaining about being furloughed. Also remember the UPS pilots that were berating the Astar guys for picketing Atlanta?

Sorry for your situation, it just plain sucks.
The only thing these situations have in common is both pilot groups blame/blamed UPS for their furlough. In reality UPS is only to blame for the current one.

Whistlin' Dan
04-11-2010, 09:30 AM
Not blaming anyone, just stating a fact. Back 2 years ago when alot of the DHL pilots were going to be facing furlough due to the failed UPS/DHL deal MANY of your UPS pilot/posters here were saying "suck it up" and "hey, that's just how the airline world works", etc, etc.

Karma has a way of rearing it's ugly head.Yea, it sure as he11 does, doesn't it?

767pilot
04-11-2010, 10:26 AM
careful boys, you're subject to karma's revenge as well

FliFast
04-12-2010, 06:18 AM
This is just pure laughable at best.
Give me a break.

Wonderful advice for yourself.

Sideshow Bob
04-12-2010, 07:17 AM
Wonderful advice for yourself.

Funny thing is, he's bringing more bad karma upon himself...

Who knows, the malls may start using UAV's instead of Paul Blarts and he'll be out of yet another job. So I guess we have a winner for the cargo version of Skyhigh, who after getting out of the biz haunted the board taunting everyone telling them how he had moved on...into real estate no less. Oddly enough karma likely caught up with him too, and he's on real estate boards telling them how he moved on. It's good for some to move on, indeed.

Skymaster
04-12-2010, 01:52 PM
Funny thing is, he's bringing more bad karma upon himself...

Who knows, the malls may start using UAV's instead of Paul Blarts and he'll be out of yet another job. So I guess we have a winner for the cargo version of Skyhigh, who after getting out of the biz haunted the board taunting everyone telling them how he had moved on...into real estate no less. Oddly enough karma likely caught up with him too, and he's on real estate boards telling them how he moved on. It's good for some to move on, indeed.


Show just how little you know about me. I made the decision to retire early based upon my needs, not the company.

And as I remember Mr. Bob you were one of those telling pilots from another carrier to suck it up on the furloughs.

MoosePileit
04-12-2010, 03:29 PM
Here's a threadlocker request. If you are retired (BS) then what the h'e'l'l are you serving by clogging a thread with dung? What's the german word for taking pleasure in other's suffering? Got nuthin' better going on, I get it. Karma has brought you back as a nit.

jungle
04-12-2010, 03:52 PM
Here's a threadlocker request. If you are retired (BS) then what the h'e'l'l are you serving by clogging a thread with dung? What's the german word for taking pleasure in other's suffering? Got nuthin' better going on, I get it. Karma has brought you back as a nit.


That would be Schadenfreude. Plenty of that being served up these days with a thick rich sauce of Hubris. Enjoy:D



"The Buddhist concept of mudita, "sympathetic joy" or "happiness in another's good fortune", is cited as an example of the opposite of schadenfreude. Alternatively, envy, which is unhappiness in another's good fortune, could be considered the counterpart of schadenfreude. Completing the quartet is "unhappiness at another's misfortune", which may be termed empathy, pity or compassion."

Sideshow Bob
04-12-2010, 05:11 PM
Show just how little you know about me. I made the decision to retire early based upon my needs, not the company.

And as I remember Mr. Bob you were one of those telling pilots from another carrier to suck it up on the furloughs.

Wrong again Blart...back to the mall now please, spill in front of Orange Julius.



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