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ARL120384
10-07-2010, 07:50 PM
I didnt have much luck with the search function, but I am wondering if you go to a middle eastern, or any other foreign carrier if the type rating you recieve goes on your FAA certificate. I have a friend at CX and I guess they do their own separate licensing and there's no affiliation with the 777 type and the FAA certs.

Just wondering if you have a type when you leave. Id have to sign a training contract and then leave and have nothing to show for it.

Thanks

ARL


atpcliff
10-07-2010, 08:00 PM
Hi!

Nothing to do with the carrier. It is the home-country's CAA (like FAA). You will get a license conversion, and have their home country CAA license. The type rating will be on that license. Usually, the conversion is not too painful. Sometimes, like with the Kenya CAA, it is a MESS!

When you get back to the states it is typically easy to get the type rating converted to your FAA license. If you have a lot of problems at a FSDO/with an FAA rep, go to another rep or another FSDO. Some places are used to converting, some aren't.

ALSO, many type ratings are different from US-overseas.

For example, a DC-9 type FAA is -9/MD-80/90/B-717. Most CAAs count them as 4 different type ratings. Another is the ATR. FAA is ATR. Vietnam CAA have ATR 42 and 72 as two seperate type ratings. Same goes for some of the CAAs and some of the CRJ/ERJ type ratings.

cliff

LostInAsia
10-07-2010, 08:23 PM
The FAA will not recognize any foreign type rating on a stand alone basis. In my case, I have a B767 type rating on my Japanese ATPL and the only way to get that on my FAA certificate is to sit through an approved training course and take another checkride. Same as if I had never sat in the airplane.

Now you can get a SIC type rating put on there if you can produce your training documents, but that's not really worth anything anyway so why even bother.

I wouldn't say that you have nothing to show for it. You will have your foreign certificate with the type rating on it. I won't lose My Japanese ATPL with type rating just because I leave Japan. Same as I haven't lost my FAA certificates because I no longer fly in the US.

Hi!

Nothing to do with the carrier. It is the home-country's CAA (like FAA). You will get a license conversion, and have their home country CAA license. The type rating will be on that license. Usually, the conversion is not too painful. Sometimes, like with the Kenya CAA, it is a MESS!

When you get back to the states it is typically easy to get the type rating converted to your FAA license. If you have a lot of problems at a FSDO/with an FAA rep, go to another rep or another FSDO. Some places are used to converting, some aren't.

ALSO, many type ratings are different from US-overseas.

For example, a DC-9 type FAA is -9/MD-80/90/B-717. Most CAAs count them as 4 different type ratings. Another is the ATR. FAA is ATR. Vietnam CAA have ATR 42 and 72 as two seperate type ratings. Same goes for some of the CAAs and some of the CRJ/ERJ type ratings.

cliff


myoface
10-07-2010, 09:30 PM
But, the japanese accept the FAA type rating and one would only have to do the Japanese ATP ride (albeit a slightly different ride than if you did not have an FAA type and get it from the JCAB).

LostInAsia
10-10-2010, 01:39 AM
But, the japanese accept the FAA type rating and one would only have to do the Japanese ATP ride (albeit a slightly different ride than if you did not have an FAA type and get it from the JCAB).

Ha. Since the "short" course for typed guys is still 7 months, I guess they figure they will have plenty of time to correct your incorrect, western technique.

The FAA is really the most difficult Authority in the world for transferring type ratings. The only one's they will transfer without you having to sit another course are those on a Canadian certificate and that can only be done if you don't already have an FAA ATPL.

The Dominican
10-10-2010, 03:54 AM
One of the ALTEON instructors mentioned when I asked about this that there is a shorter course if you have time on type, but you will still have to take some sim lessons and the check ride

myoface
10-10-2010, 08:09 AM
Ha. Since the "short" course for typed guys is still 7 months, I guess they figure they will have plenty of time to correct your incorrect, western technique.

The FAA is really the most difficult Authority in the world for transferring type ratings. The only one's they will transfer without you having to sit another course are those on a Canadian certificate and that can only be done if you don't already have an FAA ATPL.

Well, I didnt say it was shorter...just different! :D

On a related note, I love how the JCAB will accept a 767 type rating, but not an FCC certificate issued by the US. That was 4 days of worthless knowledge! Yes....you read that right....4 days in the classroom and two exams to get a Japanese Radio Operators Permit.

EYBusdriver
10-10-2010, 12:44 PM
Do you need to transmit and receive Morse for the Japanese Radio Operators Permit?

EYBusdriver
10-10-2010, 12:47 PM
I came to the Middle East with an ICAO ATP, based on the UK ATPL, with an Airbus 340 type rating, the GCAA accepted my credentials but I still had to do the "short" course and a type rating check ride.

jrmyl
10-10-2010, 02:11 PM
Do you need to transmit and receive Morse for the Japanese Radio Operators Permit?

No, but you need to know how to build an antenna. :confused::rolleyes:

captjohndoe
10-11-2010, 12:23 AM
Actually, you can get the 777, 767, or whatever type rating from a foreign country put on your FAA certificate with a verfication letter from JAA, JCAB, or other ICAO countries. Just show up to the designated FSDO you put on your application for the conversion with the letter. But the downside is that it will be with Private privileges and day VMC only. To get the full-on ATPL privileges, as stated above, you would have to take a checkride with the FAA examiner or designated examiner. The FAA conversion course usually will take anywhere from 3 -7 days.

myoface
10-11-2010, 07:04 AM
that would be kind of cool....at the very least a conversation piece for interviews i guess. :).

IndyAir Guy
10-12-2010, 02:26 PM
If and only If I lose my job I will get Work Force Improvement Act funds from my State and use that money to pay for the sim/FAA check ride to convert my Hong Kong Type Rating to FAA if I need it to get a job. I wont waste thousands of my personal dollars to have extra printing on my FAA ticket. I would rather spend that money on my family. Having time on the plane and tons of Pacific crossings will give me enough to talk to the interviewer about should that day come.

myoface
10-12-2010, 02:57 PM
If and only If I lose my job I will get Work Force Improvement Act funds from my State and use that money to pay for the sim/FAA check ride to convert my Hong Kong Type Rating to FAA if I need it to get a job. I wont waste thousands of my personal dollars to have extra printing on my FAA ticket. I would rather spend that money on my family. Having time on the plane and tons of Pacific crossings will give me enough to talk to the interviewer about should that day come.


Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the state, depends on the funding at the time, depends on how in demand pilot jobs are at the time. Believe me, WIA funds are far from automatic. Plus, you might want to research to find out if you are even eligible for unemployment and WIA funds if you get laid off from a foreign company...I doubt you will receive any benefits. Just a heads up from someone who has been thru it. Good luck.

and just for the record, i was talking about getting the private pilot type rating that johndoe referenced. Worthless, but if all it takes is filling out an application, I might be inclined to do it just for the heck of it.

Bad-Andy
10-23-2010, 05:04 AM
Been working on this for the last 6 weeks for an A-320 type. My local FSDO (MIA) says that one can "just hop in the sim and do the type ride" (based on Block 2, catagory C, holding an ICAO license/type rating). I found a sim for rent. However, no one can find me a DE that can do an A-320 type ride. Nor have I had any luck getting a Fed (that can do a 320 type ride) to call me back.

Anyone have any suggestions? (The guys doing it will be home in December, and we're trying to get it set up now).

CANAM
12-10-2010, 03:31 PM
I obtained my Canadian ATP via the conversion process. After I passed the conversion test, it was an extra $100/type rating to have it added to my new Canadian ATP. It was extremely easy, but possibly due to the deal between Canada/USA. Interestingly enough, my EMB145 type rating could not be applied to the Canadian ATP, as there are no present EMB145 operators in Canada - therefor it is not recognized.

Typhoonpilot
12-11-2010, 11:18 PM
Been working on this for the last 6 weeks for an A-320 type. My local FSDO (MIA) says that one can "just hop in the sim and do the type ride" (based on Block 2, catagory C, holding an ICAO license/type rating). I found a sim for rent. However, no one can find me a DE that can do an A-320 type ride. Nor have I had any luck getting a Fed (that can do a 320 type ride) to call me back.

Anyone have any suggestions? (The guys doing it will be home in December, and we're trying to get it set up now).


Interesting, please let us know how that goes.


TP

captjns
12-12-2010, 04:22 PM
Been working on this for the last 6 weeks for an A-320 type. My local FSDO (MIA) says that one can "just hop in the sim and do the type ride" (based on Block 2, catagory C, holding an ICAO license/type rating). I found a sim for rent. However, no one can find me a DE that can do an A-320 type ride. Nor have I had any luck getting a Fed (that can do a 320 type ride) to call me back.

Anyone have any suggestions? (The guys doing it will be home in December, and we're trying to get it set up now).

Check with Sim Center on NW36th ST. They offer A320 type rating courses. They may be able to hook you up with a DE.

Bad-Andy
12-13-2010, 11:44 AM
Check with Sim Center on NW36th ST. They offer A320 type rating courses. They may be able to hook you up with a DE.

Talked to them, and they told me they only have TCE's, no DE's. Thus the guys have to do a course with them to be able to do the type ride with a TCE. The kicker -- they do not have a conversion course available, only an initial. So, i'm working with another company here in MIA to write a "Foreign Conversion" course and get it approved on their 142 certificate. If the Feds approve it, it will probably be a day or so of ground school, a sim session or two, then the type ride, for guys current in type on a foreign certificate. But, this time of year, it's very difficult to get anything approved by the Feds... Maybe by their February days off....

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

samsnead
12-24-2010, 09:38 PM
Hi!

Nothing to do with the carrier. It is the home-country's CAA (like FAA). You will get a license conversion, and have their home country CAA license. The type rating will be on that license. Usually, the conversion is not too painful. Sometimes, like with the Kenya CAA, it is a MESS!

When you get back to the states it is typically easy to get the type rating converted to your FAA license. If you have a lot of problems at a FSDO/with an FAA rep, go to another rep or another FSDO. Some places are used to converting, some aren't.

ALSO, many type ratings are different from US-overseas.

For example, a DC-9 type FAA is -9/MD-80/90/B-717. Most CAAs count them as 4 different type ratings. Another is the ATR. FAA is ATR. Vietnam CAA have ATR 42 and 72 as two seperate type ratings. Same goes for some of the CAAs and some of the CRJ/ERJ type ratings.

cliff

exactly! Conversion/validatioin process may vary with different CAAs..

jetflyger
12-26-2010, 06:51 AM
Talked to them, and they told me they only have TCE's, no DE's. Thus the guys have to do a course with them to be able to do the type ride with a TCE. The kicker -- they do not have a conversion course available, only an initial. So, i'm working with another company here in MIA to write a "Foreign Conversion" course and get it approved on their 142 certificate. If the Feds approve it, it will probably be a day or so of ground school, a sim session or two, then the type ride, for guys current in type on a foreign certificate. But, this time of year, it's very difficult to get anything approved by the Feds... Maybe by their February days off....

Thanks for the suggestion, though.

..if you stay long enough at your current employer, won't they type you in the bus ;-)

Twin Wasp
12-26-2010, 11:25 AM
They already have, just not on a FAA certificate.

joscost
09-17-2011, 12:29 PM
Talked to them, and they told me they only have TCE's, no DE's. Thus the guys have to do a course with them to be able to do the type ride with a TCE. The kicker -- they do not have a conversion course available, only an initial. So, i'm working with another company here in MIA to write a "Foreign Conversion" course and get it approved on their 142 certificate. If the Feds approve it, it will probably be a day or so of ground school, a sim session or two, then the type ride, for guys current in type on a foreign certificate. But, this time of year, it's very difficult to get anything approved by the Feds... Maybe by their February days off....

Thanks for the suggestion, though.
Hi to everybody I am new, but I am trying to get the A320 on my FAA standard License, with a jet rating on it already, do you have any new on the approval of the DE course? can you share the info with us? Many thanks for the excelent level of thread!