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MachBuffet
10-22-2010, 02:46 PM
With the possibility of USAirways hiring soon, can someone in the know please post retirement numbers? Thanks.


Trogdor
10-22-2010, 03:11 PM
I don't have the year-by-year numbers available, but I can tell you that half the current pilot group retires by the end of 2020 with another 10% gone by 2023.

Farquhart Snark
10-25-2010, 05:55 AM
US Airways Retirements
Age 65
East + West

Yr Ret. Cumulative
2012 10 10
2013 184 294
2014 243 537
2015 227 764
2016 269 1033
2017 295 1328
2018 308 1636
2019 329 1965
2020 306 2271
2021 312 2583
2022 263 2846
2023 299 3145
2024 239 3384
2025 229 3613


Columbia
10-25-2010, 08:11 AM
US Airways Retirements
Age 65
East + West

Yr Ret. Cumulative
2012 10 10
2013 184 294
2014 243 537
2015 227 764
2016 269 1033
2017 295 1328
2018 308 1636
2019 329 1965
2020 306 2271
2021 312 2583
2022 263 2846
2023 299 3145
2024 239 3384
2025 229 3613

2012 is 10 and 2013 is 184 for a cumulative of 294?

Farquhart Snark
10-25-2010, 02:50 PM
2012 is 10 and 2013 is 184 for a cumulative of 294?
Correction to the above post, Thanks Columbia.


Correct US Airways Retirements
US Airways Retirements
Age 65
East + West
Yr Ret. Cumulative
2012 10 10
2013 184 194
2014 243 437
2015 227 664
2016 269 933
2017 295 1228
2018 308 1536
2019 329 1865
2020 306 2171
2021 312 2483
2022 263 2746
2023 299 3045
2024 239 3284
2025 229 3513

Columbia
10-25-2010, 03:07 PM
Out of how many total current pilots? I'd be curious as to the %s every year versus the raw numbers. Thx.

lolwut
10-25-2010, 03:14 PM
Amazing that, for just this one airline, had it not been for Age 65, we'd already have seen almost 700 retirements. Instead of pilots sitting on furlough trying to figure out how to feed their families, they'd be experiencing rapid significant hiring!

trent890
10-25-2010, 09:59 PM
US Airways Retirements
Age 65
East + West
Yr Ret. Cumulative
2012 10 10
2013 184 194
2014 243 437
2015 227 664
2016 269 933
2017 295 1228
2018 308 1536
2019 329 1865
2020 306 2171
2021 312 2483
2022 263 2746
2023 299 3045
2024 239 3284
2025 229 3513

Out of how many total current pilots? I'd be curious as to the %s every year versus the raw numbers. Thx.

Those numbers are based off of 5125 pilots. Currently 5125 pilots on the seniority list, active plus furloughed. Trogdor was pretty close with his numbers. (2483/5125)=48.4% of current US pilots retired by 2021, 53.6% of current US pilots retired by the end of 2022.

SUX4U
10-25-2010, 10:15 PM
Those numbers are exciting for those looking to join US Airways. For those of us only interested in the hopes of a PHX base, I would love to see how these numbers would effect that possibility. Especially as the majority of the movement will be on the East side. But then again, I guess what it all comes down to is the age old saying of "don't pick an airline strictly for a base".

Farquhart Snark
10-26-2010, 06:31 AM
Those numbers are exciting for those looking to join US Airways. For those of us only interested in the hopes of a PHX base, I would love to see how these numbers would effect that possibility. Especially as the majority of the movement will be on the East side. But then again, I guess what it all comes down to is the age old saying of "don't pick an airline strictly for a base".

For the West only the numbers are as follows:


Yr # Cumulative
2012 2 2
2013 40 42
2014 42 84
2015 48 132
2016 42 174
2017 58 232
2018 50 282
2019 74 356
2020 66 422
2021 64 486
2022 66 549
2023 82 631
2024 75 706
2025 76 782

Utah
10-26-2010, 08:53 AM
For the West only the numbers are as follows:


Yr # Cumulative
2012 2 2
2013 40 42
2014 42 84
2015 48 132
2016 42 174
2017 58 232
2018 50 282
2019 74 356
2020 66 422
2021 64 486
2022 66 549
2023 82 631
2024 75 706
2025 76 782

How many pilots are on the west side?

trent890
10-26-2010, 10:26 PM
Those numbers are based off of 5125 pilots. Currently 5125 pilots on the seniority list, active plus furloughed.

How many pilots are on the west side?

Best numbers I could find to use in a calculation comes up with 1737 West pilots. Since late August when the most recent West bid was published, there have been 40 West pilot recalls. That should bring us to 1638 "active" West pilots, with 99 West pilots on furlough.

So by my estimation, that would also give us 3388 East pilots on the list. By mid-November there will have been 55 East pilot recalls. That should break down to 3359 "active" East pilots, with 29 East pilots on furlough.

The furlough committee says that we will only have 125 pilots on furlough, instead of the 128 pilots (99+29) that I calculated above. I'm guessing that three of the furloughs have already indicated to the company that they will not be returning?

Qotsaautopilot
10-26-2010, 11:49 PM
I know I'm new on this board so dont take this the wrong way. I think that by the time any of this happens that this airline will be merged again or out of business.

Pilot X
10-27-2010, 03:39 AM
I know I'm new on this board so dont take this the wrong way. I think that by the time any of this happens that this airline will be merged again or out of business.

kinda hard to go out of business while making record profits :rolleyes:

bearcreek
08-10-2011, 10:12 AM
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eaglefly
08-10-2011, 09:33 PM
I know I'm new on this board so dont take this the wrong way. I think that by the time any of this happens that this airline will be merged again or out of business.

You can forget merger. Another carrier would have to be psychotic to take this outfit as is. In addition to the retirement schedule add another 10-15% for psychiatric crack-ups on the East side.

flyharm
08-22-2011, 08:39 AM
You can forget merger. Another carrier would have to be psychotic to take this outfit as is. In addition to the retirement schedule add another 10-15% for psychiatric crack-ups on the East side.

Apparently that translates into 30% for the west. When will you try to think ahead instead of crying over your lost Nicolau Powerball list???

Monkeyfly
08-22-2011, 08:57 AM
So, speaking of the future...
Has anyone figured out the date that west pilots + new hires > east pilots?

trent890
08-22-2011, 10:15 PM
So, speaking of the future...
Has anyone figured out the date that west pilots + new hires > east pilots?

I assume by "new hires" you are refering to anyone with a hire date beyond the junior pre-merger East guy hired in August 2004 who is the last name on the Nicolau award?

Because there are the "new-hires" from 2007-2008 who are not really "new-hires" anymore, but yet as members of the third seniority list, they will be stapled in DOH order to the bottom of whatever single seniority list gets used for the pilots that were already on the property as of the Nicolau date.

There's also the furloughed west pilots to include in the calculation. As of right now those furloughed pilots do not have a vote in union matters, but when the west pilots slowly start to retire, their "vote" would then be replaced by another West pilot returning from furlough. All in all, the left side of the equation should remain stable and continue to grow, while the value on the right side of the equation would decrease as time goes on.

I think to expand on your equation a bit would be to ask when is the date that:

active original west pilots - west retirements + west furlough recalls + post 2007 hires > active original east pilots - east retirements

xkuzme1
10-20-2011, 08:25 PM
Does anyone have any recent numbers for US Air expected retirements? The FO rates are not good at all, but if the numbers for mandatory retirements equal up then things could change quickly.

My thoughts- If a merger is in the works then it could possibly work out to be a decent deal for future contracts.

Seems that when the top folks fall off, there should be more openness for contract/seniority reprieve.

Thoughts? Numbers?

Thanks!

X

sailingfun
10-21-2011, 03:26 AM
The Captain rates at USAIR are about the same as the FO rates at many other airlines. I would look elsewhere until that mess is sorted out. Good chance the airline will either merge or be broken up.

hockeypilot44
10-21-2011, 05:51 AM
The Captain rates at USAIR are about the same as the FO rates at many other airlines. I would look elsewhere until that mess is sorted out. Good chance the airline will either merge or be broken up.

I think there's a better chance that their rates will remain what they are now for the next 15-20 years unless they win LOA 93.

Phuz
10-21-2011, 05:54 AM
if you are capable, try running a spreadsheet on monthly guarantee versus hourly rate for each year until you retire. I did. I gave USAirways a 4 year upgrade on the E190 where most other majors I gave between 7-10 years. Anyway, even with the early upgrade USAirways still comes in at total career earnings below Spirit and over $350k below DAL, 1.9m behind SWA. Just sayin.

Just to add I actually make only ~$250k total career earnings less if I stay at my RJ outfit till 65 versus going to USAir.. Not my plan, but man those rates at Airways are really that bad..

Georgia22
10-21-2011, 08:01 AM
if you are capable, try running a spreadsheet on monthly guarantee versus hourly rate for each year until you retire. I did. I gave USAirways a 4 year upgrade on the E190 where most other majors I gave between 7-10 years. Anyway, even with the early upgrade USAirways still comes in at total career earnings below Spirit and over $350k below DAL, 1.9m behind SWA. Just sayin.

Just to add I actually make only ~$250k total career earnings less if I stay at my RJ outfit till 65 versus going to USAir.. Not my plan, but man those rates at Airways are really that bad..


Do you really think they are going to have those rates in 30 Years? Everything changes you never know what will happen next. To base your numbers on something today is a waste of your time.

meyers9163
10-21-2011, 09:16 AM
Do you really think they are going to have those rates in 30 Years? Everything changes you never know what will happen next. To base your numbers on something today is a waste of your time.

To base your numbers off anything more is ignorant. No new contract in the near future and even with retirements happening keeps you knowing USairways will always pay less then others. The Parker continues to say unless there is a merger USairways pay is NEVER going to be near others like Delta, American, UAL, SWA etc.......

Also throw into you will not even earn a 2nd week of vacation until year 5 is it? Most lines have 14 days off where you can get more days off else where. You will be at work more, earn less, and have less vacation at USairways then others.....

Dashdog
10-21-2011, 09:16 AM
Try this:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/54286-usairways-retirement-numbers.html

Or, if you prefer to join the never-ending useless forum bickering (one of many):

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/61320-us-airways-files-tro.html

Superpilot92
10-21-2011, 09:24 AM
Do you really think they are going to have those rates in 30 Years? Everything changes you never know what will happen next. To base your numbers on something today is a waste of your time.

Logic has no place in aviation sir!

fullflank
10-21-2011, 09:37 AM
To base your numbers off anything more is ignorant. No new contract in the near future and even with retirements happening keeps you knowing USairways will always pay less then others. The Parker continues to say unless there is a merger USairways pay is NEVER going to be near others like Delta, American, UAL, SWA etc.......

Also throw into you will not even earn a 2nd week of vacation until year 5 is it? Most lines have 14 days off where you can get more days off else where. You will be at work more, earn less, and have less vacation aht USairways then others.....

Its actually one week vacation for the first six years that you're on property. Yes those horrible rates are here to stay. Us air guys words not mine. Even the Kirby proposal was hardly an improvement. Capts top out at 144 I think. That's below most airlines bankruptcy rates.

Monkeyfly
10-21-2011, 09:41 AM
You want a guaranteed, rock-solid, bet the farm prediction about aviation?

Here it is:

Major airline pilot pay and benefits will not keep up with inflation.

The prophet has spoken:cool:

Pilot X
10-21-2011, 09:43 AM
Its actually one week vacation for the first six years that you're on property. Yes those horrible rates are here to stay. Us air guys words not mine. Even the Kirby proposal was hardly an improvement. Capts top out at 144 I think. That's below most airlines bankruptcy rates.


not that it's much better but top pay is a whopping $160

fullflank
10-21-2011, 09:49 AM
not that it's much better but top pay is a whopping $160

You're talking about the 330 Capt pay. I mean the A321/20/19 and 73 Capt rates in the new proposal. Topped out at 144

Phuz
10-21-2011, 10:49 PM
To base your numbers off anything more is ignorant. No new contract in the near future and even with retirements happening keeps you knowing USairways will always pay less then others. The Parker continues to say unless there is a merger USairways pay is NEVER going to be near others like Delta, American, UAL, SWA etc.......

Also throw into you will not even earn a 2nd week of vacation until year 5 is it? Most lines have 14 days off where you can get more days off else where. You will be at work more, earn less, and have less vacation at USairways then others.....


Spot on.

Polish the leather jacket yet? It's gettin nippy..

Georgia22
10-22-2011, 07:24 AM
To base your numbers off anything more is ignorant. No new contract in the near future and even with retirements happening keeps you knowing USairways will always pay less then others. The Parker continues to say unless there is a merger USairways pay is NEVER going to be near others like Delta, American, UAL, SWA etc.......

Also throw into you will not even earn a 2nd week of vacation until year 5 is it? Most lines have 14 days off where you can get more days off else where. You will be at work more, earn less, and have less vacation at USairways then others.....


If you figured it out that it is going to be such an awful place for the next 30 years then don't apply.

meyers9163
10-22-2011, 07:30 AM
Spot on.

Polish the leather jacket yet? It's gettin nippy..

Haha those things are ugly. :) Its in the closet as it has been for the last 3 years.

meyers9163
10-22-2011, 07:34 AM
If you figured it out that it is going to be such an awful place for the next 30 years then don't apply.

Don't intend to. Are you a regional fo? Most CAs are not too willing to jump to USairways as you seem to be. Those who have live in CLT PHL or DCA. I'd not ever turn a legacy down but if hired I'd be using it as a stepping stone.

You know I seem to remember DAL open their application window and got like 20,000 applicants. USairways had like 6,000. Think there's a reason for so little as compared to DAL????

PaFlyer
10-22-2011, 05:51 PM
..........

PaFlyer
10-22-2011, 05:52 PM
Don't intend to. Are you a regional fo? Most CAs are not too willing to jump to USairways as you seem to be. Those who have live in CLT PHL or DCA. I'd not ever turn a legacy down but if hired I'd be using it as a stepping stone.

You know I seem to remember DAL open their application window and got like 20,000 applicants. USairways had like 6,000. Think there's a reason for so little as compared to DAL????

hummm. 20,000 applicants for several hundred positions, and 6,000 applicants for 20 positions in all of 2011. That's like .03% they took. by my math Airways got more applicants percentage wise. If it's such a bad place to work then why are people dying to get on?

meyers9163
10-22-2011, 06:54 PM
hummm. 20,000 applicants for several hundred positions, and 6,000 applicants for 20 positions in all of 2011. That's like .03% they took. by my math Airways got more applicants percentage wise. If it's such a bad place to work then why are people dying to get on?

Your logic makes as much sense as the guy basing a jump on a future contract and a quick upgrade.

Also there is something to be said about a company who's management team admits to their system/routes being the weakest of the hub and spoke carriers. Who continue to say they rather keep their fleet at fleet minimums. A mgt team who openly admit they're pay is the weakest and always will be to stay competitive.....

Fyi.... I realize we dont choose and pick who will hire us. Its all about timing and opportunity. But few would choose or say Airways is the best pilot job out there.....

Georgia22
10-22-2011, 06:59 PM
Don't intend to. Are you a regional fo? Most CAs are not too willing to jump to USairways as you seem to be. Those who have live in CLT PHL or DCA. I'd not ever turn a legacy down but if hired I'd be using it as a stepping stone.

You know I seem to remember DAL open their application window and got like 20,000 applicants. USairways had like 6,000. Think there's a reason for so little as compared to DAL????


Maybe it isn't for everybody. But these regional captains that you say wouldn't be willing to come over are very short sighted. I understand it is a big paycut but someday when this fine union gets it together it will get better. In case you can't see regionals are not going to be the same as they were when everybody was bankrupt, with growth and quick upgrades. If I was at a regional I would be trying to get out quick. Just remember it is a marthon not a sprint. An no I am an ex regional Captain.

GQpilot
10-22-2011, 10:11 PM
Don't intend to. Are you a regional fo? Most CAs are not too willing to jump to USairways as you seem to be. Those who have live in CLT PHL or DCA. I'd not ever turn a legacy down but if hired I'd be using it as a stepping stone.

You know I seem to remember DAL open their application window and got like 20,000 applicants. USairways had like 6,000. Think there's a reason for so little as compared to DAL????

You have to remember that not a lot of places are hiring. The guys that I know of that recently got hired: One Air Whisky captain and one Piedmont captain. Both high time. The worst major is still better than the best regional.

lolwut
10-23-2011, 07:32 AM
You have to remember that not a lot of places are hiring. The guys that I know of that recently got hired: One Air Whisky captain and one Piedmont captain. Both high time. The worst major is still better than the best regional.

Ain't that the truth. Also, historically... the best major has not stayed the best major for long, but US Airways' retirements are a guarantee (something you rarely can find in this industry).

FreighterGuyNow
10-23-2011, 08:40 AM
A couple RJ types *****ing about international Captain wide body pay rates.

Kudos gentlemen for taking it to new level.

flybywire44
10-23-2011, 08:44 AM
Delta didn't even get 20k applications trough airlineapps. Where do you guys get your numbers?

johnso29
10-23-2011, 11:16 AM
Delta didn't even get 20k applications trough airlineapps. Where do you guys get your numbers?

Where do you get your numbers? ;)

PaFlyer
10-23-2011, 06:36 PM
Your logic makes as much sense as the guy basing a jump on a future contract and a quick upgrade.

Also there is something to be said about a company who's management team admits to their system/routes being the weakest of the hub and spoke carriers. Who continue to say they rather keep their fleet at fleet minimums. A mgt team who openly admit they're pay is the weakest and always will be to stay competitive.....

Fyi.... I realize we dont choose and pick who will hire us. Its all about timing and opportunity. But few would choose or say Airways is the best pilot job out there.....

again, you claimed airways got 6,000 applicants. personally i can't verify or deny that. but if your claim was true, why would there be so many for so few spots if it was such a bad place to work? i mean, you must admit that seems like an aweful lot. just sayin'

meyers9163
10-23-2011, 07:21 PM
again, you claimed airways got 6,000 applicants. personally i can't verify or deny that. but if your claim was true, why would there be so many for so few spots if it was such a bad place to work? i mean, you must admit that seems like an aweful lot. just sayin'

Crew news months ago. Someone answered the question about applicants and how many they were getting.....

Also minus DAL doesn't USairways have some of the lowest requirements for a person to apply? Seem to remember only 1500 and an ATP written being the only requirements. There seem to be lots of chatter that a lot of the applicants were Regional FO's as compared to others.

VenetianFryCook
10-25-2011, 12:22 PM
1. The closest to exact numbers I've seen are in some other threads linked above. You can take a look there.

2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.

3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.

4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.

5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.

All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.

Georgia22
10-25-2011, 04:28 PM
1. The closest to exact numbers I've seen are in some other threads linked above. You can take a look there.

2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.

3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.

4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.

5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.

All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.


Good post, I am also an ex RJ capt. (at a good regional) and I agree with everything you said. Crew scheduling will actually release you before your RSV even starts. Most of them don't play games at all and if they can let you go they do. Makes things a little more tolerable.

justjack
10-25-2011, 09:32 PM
If you are offered a job with another airline-Take it. Does not matter how many people are retiring unless those numbers include Parker et al. It stinks, no matter how far up you sit in a pile of crap.

GQpilot
10-25-2011, 11:03 PM
1. The closest to exact numbers I've seen are in some other threads linked above. You can take a look there.

2. US has close to 500 over-60 pilots flying the line JUST ON THE EAST right now. That doesn't include guys in the west, management pilots, check airmen, anybody on leave, etc. And they start dropping off in 14 months.

3. Age 65 is going to drive retirements like mad around US for years to come, more than any other carrier (though American is in very nearly the same boat). With a minimum fleet count in place, a large amount of hiring will be required just to maintain the airline at its present size, even with ZERO growth. Any growth that might happen only adds to those numbers.

4. This doesn't even touch on early retirements, medical-outs, etc. There are a lot of people who think that if the LOA 93 arbitration goes the company's way, that quite a few guys who were holding on for the chance at some more dough will give up and go early. Every one of them has to be replaced, as well.

5. Add in whatever additional numbers the forthcoming flight and duty changes might require.

All of this adds up to significant hiring, and therefore significant seniority advancement, at US for the next several years. No other airline in America can offer that right now. Are there drawbacks? Sure, but as was said above, the worst major is still better than the best regional. And as an ex-RJ captain who is bottom rung at US now, I can tell you that US treats its people 100 times better than any regional does. (Scheduling is actually courteous and professional when they call! Will wonders never cease?) Everyone here who complains is comparing US now to US pre-9/11. Yes, on that basis, it sucks. But comparing US now to a regional now is a whole different bag of cats, something that a lot of pilots (at US or any other legacy who have been there since the '90s) have no frame of reference to comprehend. The last regional those guys flew at had Bandits or 99s. That's not a diss, it's just a fact. Tough to have a perspective on something you never experienced.

Good post.

I still remember flying with guys when I got hired and they would complain about something like the steak in the crew meal was too tough or the coffee wasn't strong enough. The f'in turbo-props I'd been flying previously didn't even have cup holders! I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for the mighty Metro, but thank god I'm not flying them anymore.

porqueno
12-25-2011, 06:30 AM
if someone got hired in early 2012 what would you estimate their upgrade to be? Im thinking it will take 10 years to move half way up the list. thanks

ncpilot624
12-25-2011, 07:59 AM
if someone got hired in early 2012 what would you estimate their upgrade to be? Im thinking it will take 10 years to move half way up the list. thanks

I'd say that's close, but that is considering all things constant. And that is the one thing we all know we can count on to never happen. Sorry for the glass half empty view, but it's true.

flybywire44
12-25-2011, 08:32 AM
Where do you get your numbers? ;)

DAL pilot recruiter said DAL has 14K applications on file at any given time! That's a lot! :eek:

lolwut
12-25-2011, 08:44 AM
DAL pilot recruiter said DAL has 14K applications on file at any given time! That's a lot! :eek:

Delta also accepts applications through airlineapps 365 days a year, whereas US only accepts them for short windows of time.

Trogdor
12-25-2011, 10:23 AM
if someone got hired in early 2012 what would you estimate their upgrade to be? Im thinking it will take 10 years to move half way up the list. thanks

Block holding captain, or bottom reserve? As of the last bid, '07-08 new hires are only 300 numbers from the most junior E190 captain seat. So theoretically, upgrades could happen within 2-3 years if you're willing to sit reserve in PHL.

captfred
12-25-2011, 10:30 AM
It would not surprise me to see the company reacquire the 10 EMB190's that went to Republic.

porqueno
12-25-2011, 10:46 AM
I heard they looked at them, but they were in poor shape.

satpak77
12-25-2011, 11:36 AM
DAL pilot recruiter said DAL has 14K applications on file at any given time! That's a lot! :eek:

just like my neighbors uncle who is friends with the recruiter at FDX who said they have 200k apps on file ?

:rolleyes:

NERD
12-25-2011, 09:01 PM
It's the same 14k that have/will have them at luv, fdx, ups, aa, lcc, ak, etc.



DAL pilot recruiter said DAL has 14K applications on file at any given time! That's a lot! :eek:

flybywire44
12-27-2011, 10:46 PM
just like my neighbors uncle who is friends with the recruiter at FDX who said they have 200k apps on file ?

:rolleyes:

Hehe, its true!

NERD and lolwut made a great point.