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gooneybird_71
10-08-2011, 07:57 AM
Just wondering if anyone from suncountry is on here and if i could get some info/gouge on the company I interviewed last week. I had what I thought was a Great interview . I would like to know what you guys think?:)


USMCFLYR
10-08-2011, 08:14 AM
I know a guy who works at Sun Country. I can probably pass on any questions to him that you might have if you don't get them answered here.

USMCFLYR

desmo33
10-08-2011, 08:37 AM
Just wondering if anyone from suncountry is on here and if i could get some info/gouge on the company I interviewed last week. I had what I thought was a Great interview . I would like to know what you guys think?:)

Can I ask when how long it took between submitting your resume and getting called? I have been sending my stuff there for about 6 months, but the website has always indicated that they were not actively hiring.

Thanks,

Josh


gooneybird_71
10-09-2011, 08:55 AM
I sent it in aug 29th and they called me 2 weeks later for an interview?

gooneybird_71
10-16-2011, 03:57 PM
So has anyone interviewed at Suncountry?? I just received a letter saying that we would like to keep you in a pool of qualified candidates for future postitions. just curious if anyone else has received the same form letter??? what their view point was on this. My first interview in 11 years.

gooneybird_71
11-12-2011, 06:04 PM
Well I received a class date for suncountry just curious if anyone on here works there?? Just wondering about crash pads time off ETC.... just pm me

Navajo31
11-14-2011, 03:19 AM
APC says most junior captain was hired in 1993 - that can't be right, is it?

gooneybird_71
11-14-2011, 04:13 AM
APC says most junior captain was hired in 1993 - that can't be right, is it?

Well I was told that there have been some upgrades I think they are about ten to fifteen years. That should change due to the 65 rule since a lot of people don't leave there also I was told that they are only buying airplanes as needed no huge growth or expansion.

AMMO
11-26-2011, 06:40 AM
Goonybird, could you please expand on your interview experience. What did they ask, what are they looking for? What do you recommend someone do to prepare?
I have interview next week.
Thanks and Congrats to you!

gearcrankr
11-26-2011, 04:45 PM
GB

Any info on how many may be hired??

TIA

B757200ER
11-28-2011, 06:31 AM
They furloughed off and on a few times---so long upgrade could be factual. They had 8 737-800s at one time, then downsized to 2; not sure how many now.

BenFluth216
11-29-2011, 08:56 AM
They had 8 737-800s at one time, then downsized to 2; not sure how many now.
Looks like they are up to 14 737-700/800s now.

Flyboy Slim
11-30-2011, 07:13 PM
Silly questions to follow...

Silly question #1: Does Sun Country overnight at all those Mexican and Caribbean destinations, or are they flown as out-and-backs or turns?

Silly question #2: A lot of those destinations are "seasonal". What in blam tarnation do the pilots/crews do in the "off-season"?

Silly question #3: How many days off can you expect to get as a line holder?

Silly question #3b: How many days off can you expect to get on reserve?

gooneybird_71
12-01-2011, 01:05 AM
Silly questions to follow...

Silly question #1: Does Sun Country overnight at all those Mexican and Caribbean destinations, or are they flown as out-and-backs or turns?

Silly question #2: A lot of those destinations are "seasonal". What in blam tarnation do the pilots/crews do in the "off-season"?

Silly question #3: How many days off can you expect to get as a line holder?

Silly question #3b: How many days off can you expect to get on reserve?

#1 mostly out and backs

#2 from what I understand they havent furloughed in a couple years. and If you do get furloughed it is only like for a couple months.

#3 a&b reserve 10 days off a month a group of 4 hard days off then groups of 2 but on a 31 day month you get 11 line holders not sure since i prob wont be one for abot 5 to 10 yrs

I will get a bid packet and let you know about the line holders

gooneybird_71
12-01-2011, 01:18 AM
Goonybird, could you please expand on your interview experience. What did they ask, what are they looking for? What do you recommend someone do to prepare?
I have interview next week.
Thanks and Congrats to you!
I will tell you it was the most relaxed interview I ever had. Friendly Outgoing snd Happy Midwestern people. your basic why we should hire you stuff.
Not one tech question just be relaxed be yourself if your a funny guy let it show. they asked me what my fav sit com was I told them then they asked me if i was a character on the show who would I be I told them they laughed.
I will say that everyone I have talked to there pilot wise everyone is happy there and likes it there small company everyone knows you. I been at OH for almost 11 yrs and it was tough for me to leave just because I will miss the people I flew with I know I made the right decision . Heck I even turned down Qatar interview because my class date was on the day of my ground school at Sun.

My backround experience is 10,000 hours DC-3 CV-340 CV-580 DC9 CL65 CL70 CL 90 PIC IN THE CL SERIES. goodluck!! not sure where you are coming from but if you get hired you will not be just a number at Sun. pm me if you want anything else Gooney

gooneybird_71
12-01-2011, 01:21 AM
GB

Any info on how many may be hired??

TIA

not sure I know is that there are 2 more classes after I start on monday
what I like about this place is they are smart with there money if they get busy then they add planes no spending money if there is no route structure

gearcrankr
12-01-2011, 10:15 AM
not sure I know is that there are 2 more classes after I start on monday
what I like about this place is they are smart with there money if they get busy then they add planes no spending money if there is no route structure

Congratulations on the new gig!! I know alot of people at SCA and will tell you you made a good decision. A real fun environment.

Flyboy Slim
12-11-2011, 05:34 AM
How are the travel benefits? Does a spouse or parent have to pay a "yield fare" to travel on SCA? Are there ID90 opportunities on other airlines?

Also, I know some majors don't allow regionals to jumpseat internationally. Can SCA pilots jumpseat internationally on anyone?

johnso29
12-11-2011, 06:27 AM
Congrats on getting out of Comair gooneybird_71! :)

Speed Breaker
02-20-2012, 04:39 AM
This may have been asked somewhere else, but I can't seem to find it. APC says that Sun Country is still hiring. Does anybody have updates on that? I am looking for any current information about the company I can get. I am very interested in them. Thanks.

BayBum38ft
02-20-2012, 05:37 AM
Gooneybird 71 Just curious, where did you fly the CV-580? I flew the CV-580 for Summit Airlines from 1983-88 in PHL
Thanks

BaBum

gooneybird_71
02-24-2012, 09:42 AM
Sent you a pm.

chqatawoa
06-05-2012, 08:45 AM
Thought I would bring this one back. If anyone from SCA is on here just wondering if there is any word of hiring this summer or fall. I see that they are looking for ETOPS qualified dispatchers and was hoping this meant more DOD charters. Any info would be great.

Contrail06
08-25-2012, 07:53 AM
Just curious does your health insurance start day 1 if you are hired, or do you have to wait 90 days? If you have to wait, do they offer COBRA?

gearcrankr
08-26-2012, 12:06 PM
Thought I would bring this one back. If anyone from SCA is on here just wondering if there is any word of hiring this summer or fall. I see that they are looking for ETOPS qualified dispatchers and was hoping this meant more DOD charters. Any info would be great.


Spoke with one of their newly minted captains recently and it sounds like some additional hiring this fall. 8 - 10 perhaps. Many at SCA are waiting for the DAL interview process to begin. (Along with every other airline)

gooneybird_71
08-31-2012, 08:42 PM
90 days.. insurance kicks in

Contrail06
09-26-2012, 02:35 PM
Just got the call...

Class starts Oct 24th. There are 6 in the class and they said there will be another class in November.

saker
09-29-2012, 09:13 AM
Minneapolis based with 3000+ B737 hours. Are these interviews only arranged for those with an internal contact? I'll continue to send in the resume hoping one will bounce back.

Good luck to those who got in. Looks like a great local operator. Hit the books and stay well ahead on the course.

labbats
09-29-2012, 12:29 PM
What's the latest on your contract? Is anything being discussed?

I'm glad everyone there is happy and it does seem like a great fit for some. I'd just like to see more pay and work rules there for when other airlines are compared to you in a contract negotiation.

gooneybird_71
10-02-2012, 10:27 AM
Welcome New Guys! you will enjoy the quality of life once you are online.

starship
10-02-2012, 11:08 AM
What are the typical trips like? How many days off can you expect as a new FO, senior FO?

gooneybird_71
10-03-2012, 06:55 PM
What are the typical trips like? How many days off can you expect as a new FO, senior FO?
reserve 30 day month 10 days off
reserve 21 day month 11 days off

line holders anywhere from 14 to 18 days off a month. lots of out and backs and we do have 3 4 and 5 day trips.

Contrail06
10-04-2012, 11:04 AM
Was told by the CP yesterday that SC might be up to 17 737's by next spring, if so they will need to hire 11 more pilots in the spring. I think the original plan was to just go from 14 to 16 airframes. Also he said there will be 6 retirements starting with the first one in Jan. So 6 more upgrades.

He said also told me the average reserve usage is 5.5 days/month, any truth to that?

Also, we are going to be given Ipads for training, but then we have to give them back:(

gooneybird_71
10-04-2012, 04:48 PM
Was told by the CP yesterday that SC might be up to 17 737's by next spring, if so they will need to hire 11 more pilots in the spring. I think the original plan was to just go from 14 to 16 airframes. Also he said there will be 6 retirements starting with the first one in Jan. So 6 more upgrades.

He said also told me the average reserve usage is 5.5 days/month, any truth to that?

Also, we are going to be given Ipads for training, but then we have to give them back:(
All TRUE!! I heard the same thing

joethepilot
10-07-2012, 03:49 PM
I would love to work here and have been updating my resume with them for years, unfortunately I just don't know anyone there, I think that's my downfall.

starship
10-07-2012, 04:17 PM
Do most sun country pilots live in MSP or do most of them commute?

gooneybird_71
10-07-2012, 05:58 PM
Do most sun country pilots live in MSP or do most of them commute?
we have some commuters including me but mostly everyone lives here.

starship
10-15-2012, 03:39 PM
What's the likelihood of a new contract being passed in the next couple of years?

Contrail06
11-01-2012, 05:48 PM
Well...

2 Weeks, No answer. I think that means nobody knows..

Contrail06
11-08-2012, 06:48 PM
Heard at HQ today they signed an agreement to buy a simulator. Apparently the break even point for a simulator is 18-20 airplanes....So Im speculating some growth in the near future. Also heard there is a class of 2 FO's 4 CA at the end of November then a class of 6 FO's in Jan. With a few classes to follow next spring. Total fleet is still scheduled to be 16 planes next year with 19 total for the busy winter season.

labbats
11-08-2012, 06:57 PM
What's the likelihood of a new contract being passed in the next couple of years?

All joking aside, why is this question repeatedly glossed over by the current pilots there?

Airline Pilot Central - Sun Country | Major-National-LCC (http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/sun_country.html)

These rates leave a lot to be desired. At some point it just doesn't make sense to leave a regional to fly for Sun Country.

tom14cat14
11-08-2012, 08:19 PM
All joking aside, why is this question repeatedly glossed over by the current pilots there?

Airline Pilot Central - Sun Country | Major-National-LCC (http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/sun_country.html)

These rates leave a lot to be desired. At some point it just doesn't make sense to leave a regional to fly for Sun Country.

I talked to this with one of my friends over there and this is what they told me, so take it what it is worth.

Management has real no incentive to sign a new contract because the pilots there know that the only thing they can do is strike and if they strike the company will go belly up right away. The majority of the pilots there can not afford to restart their careers over there fore will not risk a strike. And management knows this.

Once again that is what a friend told me of the situation. They also believe that a good portion of the pilots are willing to accept this because the extra profit the company is making is being used to buy new planes and grow.

Contrail06
11-11-2012, 08:43 AM
Sun Country is on the rise | StarTribune.com (http://www.startribune.com/business/178192351.html)

Front page today

Turbine
11-14-2012, 07:05 AM
Most junior captain was hired in 1998 ! no thanks

TurboDVR42
11-14-2012, 11:15 AM
Most junior captain was hired in 1998 ! no thanks

There is more to a job than a quick upgrade.
But again there FO and CA wages are well bellow industry standard, I am sure the guys are working on it though.

I have been applying there since 2009...not a peep.

Contrail06
11-14-2012, 06:37 PM
Most junior captain was hired in 1998 ! no thanks

Because the upgrade times on here are a 100% accurate snapshot and forecast...

Contrail06
12-29-2012, 08:08 PM
Anyone have the retirement numbers moving forward?

block30
02-27-2013, 05:16 PM
I see Contrail didn't get a response, but I was wondering what is latest and greatest at Sun Country? On the APC profile I see that two -700s are being added this Spring. Thanks!

gooneybird_71
02-27-2013, 10:33 PM
I see Contrail didn't get a response, but I was wondering what is latest and greatest at Sun Country? On the APC profile I see that two -700s are being added this Spring. Thanks!

Word is 36 new hires this year they already interviewed for upcoming classes ...
Retirements are 6 this year 5 in 2014 4 in 2015 2 in 2016 and 4 in 2017..
Everything is subject for change!
:D

block30
02-28-2013, 11:45 AM
Word is 36 new hires this year they already interviewed for upcoming classes ...
Retirements are 6 this year 5 in 2014 4 in 2015 2 in 2016 and 4 in 2017..
Everything is subject for change!
:D

Hey there, thanks for your time and attention!

starship
02-28-2013, 02:39 PM
Word is 36 new hires this year they already interviewed for upcoming classes ...
Retirements are 6 this year 5 in 2014 4 in 2015 2 in 2016 and 4 in 2017..
Everything is subject for change!
:D


So no more interviews? ha

gooneybird_71
02-28-2013, 03:38 PM
So no more interviews? ha

Not till at least april.that I know of!

Contrail06
03-01-2013, 01:05 PM
Thanks for the answer!

Now just explain why Stan was sent packing ;-)

gearcrankr
03-01-2013, 01:43 PM
Thanks for the answer!

Now just explain why Stan was sent packing ;-)

I think it will be a while before that gets explained, a lot of folks shocked

with that move.

gooneybird_71
03-01-2013, 05:54 PM
No idea were still waiting for an answer on that!

babs
05-02-2013, 11:19 AM
Any updates on hiring? Any recommendations on how to snag an interview with no internal recs? I will walk my resume in to the chief pilot if someone is willing to provide the information on who it is and how to get there. Thanks for the reply!

gooneybird_71
05-05-2013, 01:54 PM
New hire class started last week and they are calling people for June and July classes. To be honest I don't know anyone who has not had an internal recommendation ..

tom14cat14
05-06-2013, 04:18 PM
How is the attrition over there? Has it been picking up or staying pretty constant? I have a friend over there that just took a United job he was there for 5 months and I know of another that left with in a short time after training. Is this starting to become the norm or were these just a few random cases.

gooneybird_71
05-06-2013, 07:51 PM
How is the attrition over there? Has it been picking up or staying pretty constant? I have a friend over there that just took a United job he was there for 5 months and I know of another that left with in a short time after training. Is this starting to become the norm or were these just a few random cases.

I know about the people you are talking about and I know one knew he was going to united he was just waiting for the call. Not much attrition really maybe 6 in the next year. Just some random cases in my opinion not many people are leaving for other airlines.

SYdude
05-08-2013, 01:53 PM
If I throw my resume in now, would I get a look? I have an internal recommendation and u also worked at the company for 2 years. I'm about 50 hours short on the multi-engine PIC requirement.

SYdude
05-08-2013, 01:57 PM
Sorry. "I" also worked at the company for two years.

The Juice
05-14-2013, 07:46 AM
If I throw my resume in now, would I get a look? I have an internal recommendation and u also worked at the company for 2 years. I'm about 50 hours short on the multi-engine PIC requirement.

2000/500 are some pretty low mins. Have to assume, with the little hiring that they do, that they have stacks of applicants that far exceed 2000/500

beech1980
05-14-2013, 07:18 PM
I've applied many times. I have 4000 multi and 2000 of it is turbine pic and I haven't heard a peep... I think the reco is huge.

Contrail06
05-18-2013, 08:00 PM
Pretty much gotta have a rec or 2. They are only hiring 5-6 for each class so you not only need to be competitive but also liked by a few guys here. In general, I think guys have had 1-2 recs, 6-10k hours with anywhere from 750-8,000 PIC. All that I can think of have had 4 yr degrees but I could be wrong. Having 737 time and/or type doesn't seem to be as important as the rec's.

block30
08-08-2013, 10:09 AM
Bump....
What's the latest? Thanks. :)

SYdude
08-08-2013, 11:23 AM
I applied with 2100 TT and 500 Multi Turbine PIC with internal rec and I worked at the company for 2.5 years in operations. They said call back at 5000 TT.

gooneybird_71
08-08-2013, 12:11 PM
Bump....
What's the latest? Thanks. :)

New hire class every month thru rest of the year!

mnspeak
08-10-2013, 07:26 PM
Classes are supposed to bump up to 12 a month. A mix of new hires and Captain upgrades.

WIFlyer
08-13-2013, 05:47 AM
Great news, I am very excited to start.

i fly planes
08-14-2013, 12:34 PM
Is it pretty much essential that not only do you have internal recs, but that you've flown with said internal recs?

Contrail06
08-19-2013, 07:01 PM
Is it pretty much essential that not only do you have internal recs, but that you've flown with said internal recs?
I dont think it matters. Non of my rec's had flown with me and only about half of the guys I recommended I have flown with.

Sturbmaster
09-01-2013, 04:19 PM
What are reserve rules like? Can reserves pick up extra flying? Do reserves break guarantee? How is the contract, some hubs and lows?

Thanks

iceman49
09-05-2013, 10:02 AM
Just curious is the company currently hiring active reserve members? thx

labbats
09-05-2013, 03:26 PM
$31/hr first year FO pay?
$59/hr fourth year FO pay?
$107/hr seven year CA pay?

Most junior captain hired 2000?

Are these accurate?

cactusmike
09-05-2013, 04:26 PM
Did Sun Country ever do the European service they were going to start?

beech1980
09-20-2013, 02:16 PM
Does anyone have any sort of gouge for interviews at Sun Country? I have one next week. Thanks, Beech

FlyinS
09-25-2013, 05:43 AM
Just be yourself. They want to get to know you and your credentials. This is how airline interviews should be conducted.

beech1980
10-15-2013, 09:43 AM
Just be yourself. They want to get to know you and your credentials. This is how airline interviews should be conducted.

I guess being your self was the key. I have a December class date. It was an enjoyable interview process.

Sturbmaster
10-15-2013, 09:20 PM
I guess being your self was the key. I have a December class date. It was an enjoyable interview process.

Congrats! What does your resume look like? Internal recs?

beech1980
10-16-2013, 06:15 AM
5000tt, 1500tpic part.135, 3 business jet types. Local guy, no internals

brianb
10-16-2013, 07:52 AM
You don't have to front any money to the company for training? I had a friend who worked there several years ago and he had to pay for his training. I hope this practice has ended and the best of luck to you.

beech1980
10-16-2013, 08:13 AM
No you don't have to front any money.

ablack722
10-17-2013, 08:23 AM
You don't have to front any money to the company for training? I had a friend who worked there several years ago and he had to pay for his training. I hope this practice has ended and the best of luck to you.

Nobody has had to pay for their training since I started in '99. I've never heard of that at SCA...even before I started.

Brush Island
10-17-2013, 05:50 PM
Never in the 30 year history of Sun Country Airlines have we ever charged a dime for training.

mnspeak
10-18-2013, 07:47 AM
There is however a training contract. $20,000 for 18 months.

iceman49
10-18-2013, 12:28 PM
What if you already have a 73 type?

hockeypilot44
10-18-2013, 12:50 PM
Is that payscale on here right? $127 max for a captain?

labbats
10-27-2013, 09:15 AM
Is that payscale on here right? $127 max for a captain?

The payscales are correct.

i fly planes
10-29-2013, 03:24 AM
How much military charter is being done? How long will that last? Thank you

CloudPilot57
11-14-2013, 12:58 AM
Got the offer for Dec class. So excited to join the team and be based at home.

mnspeak
11-14-2013, 09:10 AM
Got the offer for Dec class. So excited to join the team and be based at home.
Congratulations! It's a great place to work and unlike any other airline. Expect growth, a mix of day and multi-day trips, fun charter flying and a lot of happy employees. Now about that contract...

BIGRIG
11-14-2013, 09:14 AM
Got the offer for Dec class. So excited to join the team and be based at home.

When did you interview?

CloudPilot57
11-15-2013, 06:40 AM
When did you interview?

I interviewed the end of last week.

Starlifter
11-15-2013, 07:02 AM
Cloud,

Sent you a PM.

klei0399
11-16-2013, 04:48 AM
Hi Everyone,

I was just wondering what it would take to get hired on by Sun Country? I am from MSP, and Sun Country has always been the home town airline and had a special place in my heart. Anyways, I'd love to be there, and be there for my career! I'm a current 121 guy with about 3 years of expereince. If anyone flying at Sun Country would be willing to PM me more info, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance!

V1ROT8R
12-13-2013, 01:55 PM
Im from that neck of the woods as well. Would any sun country guys rec a miami air guy coming over? The first year pay seems to be 10k less online but Im aware that theres probably better work rules and ways to make extra money compared to MA.

Gooneybird1971
12-18-2013, 04:56 AM
Got the offer for Dec class. So excited to join the team and be based at home.
Welcome to the family!

Sturbmaster
01-16-2014, 04:49 PM
What's the word lately at Sun Country? Fleet count, hiring, contract updates, growth?

Thanks

WIFlyer
01-16-2014, 05:35 PM
Looking to hire 57 this year. Hopefully a new contract 'soon' but everyone has a different opinion on the definition of that. I think two new planes this year and going forward, all subject to change.

Whale Pilot
01-17-2014, 02:23 PM
Hi Everyone,

I was just wondering what it would take to get hired on by Sun Country? I am from MSP, and Sun Country has always been the home town airline and had a special place in my heart. Anyways, I'd love to be there, and be there for my career! I'm a current 121 guy with about 3 years of expereince. If anyone flying at Sun Country would be willing to PM me more info, I would greatly appreciate it!

Thanks in advance!

Yeah,

I thought that of TWA! :eek:

Dude, go where you can get the most "bang" for your expertise! Don't sell yourself short. If more of us pilots did that, we would begin to raise the "bar" on compensation!

Best of luck!

Whale

block30
01-18-2014, 07:34 AM
Looking to hire 57 this year. Hopefully a new contract 'soon' but everyone has a different opinion on the definition of that. I think two new planes this year and going forward, all subject to change.

Thanks WIFlyer!

skier17
01-19-2014, 02:57 PM
Are the pay scales on APC accurate? $31/hour 70 hour guarantee first year? $51/hour second year? How are guys covering their bills with pay that low?

WIFlyer
01-19-2014, 04:50 PM
75 hour guarantee for first year but yeah, it is tough

Packrat
01-19-2014, 04:54 PM
10 airplanes now?

beech1980
01-19-2014, 05:07 PM
19 planes now, 21 by the end of the year. You just dont spend more than you make....

Whale Pilot
01-20-2014, 10:18 AM
Are the pay scales on APC accurate? $31/hour 70 hour guarantee first year? $51/hour second year? How are guys covering their bills with pay that low?

Simple, don't work for carriers that don't pay you your "worth". You have a highly technical skill. The sooner we all do this, the better it will be for all of us! :cool:

Whale

Gooneybird1971
01-20-2014, 10:29 AM
Simple, don't work for carriers that don't pay you your "worth". You have a highly technical skill. The sooner we all do this, the better it will be for all of us! :cool:

Whale
Unfortunately we are still operating under a bankruptcy contract ... So it is what it is!

Packrat
01-20-2014, 10:49 AM
Simple, don't work for carriers that don't pay you your "worth". You have a highly technical skill. The sooner we all do this, the better it will be for all of us!

Great idea in theory. In practice, there are way too many pilots who will fly at poor paying, non-Union or whipsaw airlines either to build time and move on or "just trying to feed the family"

Until there is a REAL National Pilot Union with a National Seniority List and a National equipment pay scale, it will never happen.

Sturbmaster
01-20-2014, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the info! How are the reserve rules? How long to be off reserve assuming you were hired in the next few months? Are you guys still doing a lot of 5+ day trips doing DOD charters?

beech1980
01-20-2014, 03:06 PM
Simple, don't work for carriers that don't pay you your "worth". You have a highly technical skill. The sooner we all do this, the better it will be for all of us! :cool:

Whale

With that being said, did you ever fly for a regional, flight instruct, or fly part. 135 freight? Not all jobs start off paying six figures.

WIFlyer
01-20-2014, 04:28 PM
Reserve is industry average, 2 hour call out and scheduling has been good to me thus far. People hired last summer have decent lines now. If the projections hold true new hires now would only see a few months of reserve.

Sturbmaster
01-21-2014, 02:55 PM
Thank you for the info.

TurboDVR42
01-21-2014, 03:18 PM
You guys have done a great turn around since exciting bankruptcy! Keep the hiring going.

Starlifter
01-22-2014, 06:48 AM
Hired by SCA yesterday. Interview was an extremely pleasant experience. All that I met were wonderful.
Looking forward to training.

Lifter

Gooneybird1971
01-22-2014, 07:17 AM
Hired by SCA yesterday. Interview was an extremely pleasant experience. All that I met were wonderful.
Looking forward to training.

Lifter

Welcome to the family!

Starlifter
01-22-2014, 08:05 AM
Welcome to the family!

thanks brother!

Gooneybird1971
01-22-2014, 08:29 AM
thanks brother!
Was the interview the way I told you it would be?

Starlifter
01-22-2014, 12:52 PM
Was the interview the way I told you it would be?

Exactly. They did ask a fair amount of my 30 year military background. Also what it was like for me to be employed by a European company.

Thanks again. Just got the manuals.

BIGRIG
01-22-2014, 03:30 PM
Hired by SCA yesterday. Interview was an extremely pleasant experience. All that I met were wonderful.
Looking forward to training.

Lifter

Sweet! Was the interview super relaxed?

Sturbmaster
01-22-2014, 05:51 PM
When did you interview? And when is your class?

Starlifter
01-22-2014, 10:10 PM
Sweet! Was the interview super relaxed?

Super relaxed but well organized and thorough.

Starlifter
01-22-2014, 10:11 PM
When did you interview? And when is your class?

Early this week. Could have started class in Feb but have to move back to US from Europe so the plan is late March.

kb8018
01-22-2014, 10:52 PM
If you follow APC's link to the SCA jobs page, no mention of hiring for FO's. Where do you go to apply? Is the internal rec a requirement?

CloudPilot57
02-01-2014, 10:08 AM
Congrats, welcome!
All the hiring is pretty much done from internal recs.

MrMustache
02-14-2014, 07:19 PM
Do they still require the 500 Multi PIC ? They ever waive it?

beech1980
02-14-2014, 07:33 PM
Do they still require the 500 Multi PIC ? They ever waive it?

Not sure... Most of the people that have been hired recently have 1000's of hours of turbine time. From what I can tell most of the new hires have been captains at some point in their careers in a turbine aircraft. I had 3000 multi PIC when hired. I hope that helps.

MrMustache
02-14-2014, 07:41 PM
Not sure... Most of the people that have been hired recently have 1000's of hours of turbine time. From what I can tell most of the new hires have been captains at some point in their careers in a turbine aircraft. I had 3000 multi PIC when hired. I hope that helps.

Ya that does, just curious with all the stagnant regional FOs out there that most likely got hired with less than that.

beech1980
02-14-2014, 07:52 PM
It seems that about half of the new hires are regional fo's. All have internal recs and most have ties to the MSP area. With all of the applications on file they like to interview people with internal recs. Without advertising hiring HR has about 4000 apps on file.

MrMustache
02-14-2014, 08:03 PM
Hmm might have to get in contact witH some people it sounds like. Thanks for the help!

beech1980
02-14-2014, 08:24 PM
absolutely! internals are huge. Good luck. it's a great group of pilots. Work rules in general are not that bad. We just need a few adjustments and a competitive hourly rate.

gearcrankr
02-16-2014, 05:13 AM
Early this week. Could have started class in Feb but have to move back to US from Europe so the plan is late March.


Congrats Starlifter. You find a place to live??

Starlifter
02-16-2014, 10:27 AM
Still looking brother. I was in contact with a potential option on craigslist. My family will arrive in June, so looking for something short term.

If you have any ideas, please let me know.

Thanks,
Lifter

CloudPilot57
02-16-2014, 11:49 AM
Do they still require the 500 Multi PIC ? They ever waive it?

They are pretty firm on the Multi PIC. One guy in my class had around 400-450 and they grilled him on why they should hire him with lower time like that. They are hiring folks that they think can upgrade within 3-5 years.

This guy with lower multi pic had heavy Boeing international time with some solid internal recs which probably helped sway the decision in his favor.

rjfoguy
05-20-2014, 12:20 PM
Hey guys, looking into applying to Sun Country and wondering if someone could chime in and help me out with a few questions.
1. What are the reserve rules like and how long can a new hire expect to be on reserve?
2. Once you are able to hold a line, what are those like? Mostly day trips or longer ones?
3. What are the health insurance benefits like?
4. What are the travel benefits like? Are there zed agreements with any airlines?
5. Overall, how's the work environment and relationship with management?

I really appreciate any input you guys can provide. Thanks!

Freebreakfast11
09-25-2014, 05:13 AM
Is Sun Country still hiring? What's the latest?

hockeypilot44
09-25-2014, 05:40 AM
With that being said, did you ever fly for a regional, flight instruct, or fly part. 135 freight? Not all jobs start off paying six figures.

Those jobs aren't flying 737's. A 737 is supposed to be a career position. Those other jobs are entry level positions. If you turn a 737 into an entry level position, there will be no career positions left. I hope you finish your career at Sun Country. You deserve it.

beech1980
09-25-2014, 10:24 AM
Those jobs aren't flying 737's. A 737 is supposed to be a career position. Those other jobs are entry level positions. If you turn a 737 into an entry level position, there will be no career positions left. I hope you finish your career at Sun Country. You deserve it.

I hope I do as well!
There are guys here that make a good living. It obviously could be better. There are a handful of captains here that make 200k+ and FO's that make 100k+. It will get better with a new contract. Ill enjoy my time at home and not shuffling around the world from hotel to hotel. I get to see my wife and kid all the time. I've enjoyed only having 20 overnights this year. I know you will rip on me for our crap pay but my family is happy i'm home more than 10 days a month...

beech1980
09-25-2014, 10:32 AM
Is Sun Country still hiring? What's the latest?

Yes, we have a class of 6 starting in October. They might run one more small class in Nov or Dec. 4+/- new hires in that class.. As of the end of the year they will haev hired close to 50. The union is meeting with the company twice a month. Getting some Issues TA'ed. The big issues such as pay rates, 401k will be the last issues to resolve and may lead to getting resolved at the 11th hour or getting released. Some people are optimistic that it will be resolved by years end... we will see. Good Luck

greenpilot20
10-05-2014, 05:14 PM
Hey all, looking for some advice and input. I'm a local guy working for a decent regional on 3rd year FO pay, about 500 #'s from seeing an upgrade. I'd estimate about another 1.5-2 years before it's even realistic.

I live in base now and bid 25% so my QOL has been really good. We have no kids and my wife has a great job she doesn't want to leave. I'm young enough to still have hope for one of the big majors, but we love MSP and that's certainly one of the most appealing things about Sun Country. The schedules are also a big drawing point for me. I could certainly see myself at SC for life. From the outside, it seems like an awesome group of pilots.

I'm hesitant, however, to make the jump. It would be a pay cut, at least for 2 years, and I don't currently have any TPIC. I know there's been bankruptcies, and seasonal drawdowns, etc. Furthermore, I'm not too arrogant to think I'm even competitive for a job at SC. So it may be a moot point.

Before all the naysayers come on and say "Get the job, then decide." Yeh well, that's great. It doesn't always work that way.

Any and all advice and other considerations are welcome. Thanks in advance.

cencal83406
10-05-2014, 06:36 PM
Those jobs aren't flying 737's. A 737 is supposed to be a career position. Those other jobs are entry level positions. If you turn a 737 into an entry level position, there will be no career positions left. I hope you finish your career at Sun Country. You deserve it.

For being at Delta you sure are angry.... At everyone. Should go enjoy your MMMTO that C2012 and the follow-on 2015 give you.

Froggy
10-07-2014, 04:43 PM
Is the application window for y'all still open? I've been monitoring the jobs page and haven't seen an opening posted in a while. Is there a separate specific pilot page that I'm missing?

Freebreakfast11
10-07-2014, 06:03 PM
Besides the internal rec, whats competitive over there?

beech1980
10-07-2014, 07:58 PM
Besides the internal rec, whats competitive over there?

I would say competitive is 5000tt, jet pic. They like glass, fms. I think a lot of the regional guys being hired now are guys that were once captains at pinnacle, mesaba, and colgan. I bid reserve for the first year due to the low pay. I'd rather be home on reserve making 75 hours than hold a crappy line with 14-15 days off and overnights worth 70 hours. QOL on reserve has been awesome. I've flown 200 hours in the last 7+ months and only been in a hotel probably 15 nights... Can't beat that. The day turn lines are great. I think i Should be able to hold one with about 1-1.5 years of seniority with the hiring, growth and attrition. Those lines are anywhere from 15-20 days off a month. As was previously said by another poster- This can be a career place for some people. It all depends on your situation and what you want. If your goals are to make the most money possible, be gone all the time, and have to give half of it all to your ex-wife in 10 years this isn't the company for you. We are all keeping our fingers crossed that when this TA gets to a vote that it will be something we all can live with and be proud of.

MiamiFlyer543
10-23-2014, 12:57 PM
We are all keeping our fingers crossed that when this TA gets to a vote that it will be something we all can live with and be proud of.


Any ideas on what the improvements will be in the TA? You guys are ahead of us at Miami Air, and we're def looking at you guys to help raise the bar... which will help us as well.

Do you guys currently have any added benefits when operating on the charter side of the house, vs the scheduled side?

Any idea what the TA will have for retirement, 401k contribution by the company etc?

beech1980
10-23-2014, 02:08 PM
Any ideas on what the improvements will be in the TA? You guys are ahead of us at Miami Air, and we're def looking at you guys to help raise the bar... which will help us as well.

Do you guys currently have any added benefits when operating on the charter side of the house, vs the scheduled side?

Any idea what the TA will have for retirement, 401k contribution by the company etc?

Honestly, on charters get crew meals and good catering leftovers... Otherwise its almost all the same. We are trying to get a better match and something close to a 10% direct contribution.
We are going for 100% deadhead pay, and a competitive wage, Around 180/hr for a 12 year capt.
The union reps really dont tell us much because they dont want rumors and *****ing before we get a chance to review it and vote.
From what I've heard the flight attendants have a TA to vote on. So hopefully ours isnt to far behind.

Loon
10-23-2014, 02:18 PM
Is it impossible to get a job there without an internal?
Probable?

beech1980
10-23-2014, 02:35 PM
yes, I didnt have one.

MiamiFlyer543
10-23-2014, 03:18 PM
Honestly, on charters get crew meals and good catering leftovers... Otherwise its almost all the same. We are trying to get a better match and something close to a 10% direct contribution.
We are going for 100% deadhead pay, and a competitive wage, Around 180/hr for a 12 year capt.
The union reps really dont tell us much because they dont want rumors and *****ing before we get a chance to review it and vote.
From what I've heard the flight attendants have a TA to vote on. So hopefully ours isnt to far behind.

Sounds like some good goals. 10% direct contribution would be a descent package. We get $0.25 per dollar we contribute matched up to 6% of base salary. Which is basically nothing- it's a joke to be honest. Don't even think the contribution breaks $1,000 per year.

Any credit already for deadhead pay? We have a great deadhead credit of 0%, what a joke. Hours and hours of our time spent in airplanes with zero credit or pay.

$180/12 year Captain pay would be nice. Seems like your Captain wages are a bit lower than ours (on an hourly basis) right now. Hope you guys are successful in raising that!

Good Luck with the hopefully soon TA. :)
Ours is still years away I fear....:(

beech1980
10-23-2014, 05:55 PM
we get 50% dead head pay. I think we are shooting for 110/hr for 12 year FO and a second year pay in the 70ish range and bringing up first year to mid 40's. lofty goals.... we will se what happens.

AlaskaBound
10-26-2014, 10:23 AM
Any rumors over there about being bought out by Alaska Airlines? Something I've heard recently.

Starlifter
10-26-2014, 11:48 AM
Any rumors over there about being bought out by Alaska Airlines? Something I've heard recently.

I suppose anything is possible. However, we own nothing! No logical reason to buy us out...
No rumors. Although, i had heard rumors about someone being interested in Alaska.

mnspeak
10-28-2014, 05:27 AM
Here is a great article on Sun Country's current state (October 2014). As a private company it is hard to know what is going on behind the scenes but this article sheds some light on it.

Under The Radar (http://tcbmag.com/Industries/Transportation/Under-The-Radar)

block30
10-28-2014, 05:45 AM
Here is a great article on Sun Country's current state (October 2014). As a private company it is hard to know what is going on behind the scenes but this article sheds some light on it.

Under The Radar (http://tcbmag.com/Industries/Transportation/Under-The-Radar)

Thanks for sharing that!

beech1980
10-28-2014, 07:55 AM
$225/hr for a 12 year Captain!! Industry leaders! I better stop drinking coffee.... Its all a mystery to us as it is a private company. They can skew the numbers all they want in their favor.

i fly planes
10-28-2014, 08:35 AM
Here is a great article on Sun Country's current state (October 2014). As a private company it is hard to know what is going on behind the scenes but this article sheds some light on it.

Under The Radar (http://tcbmag.com/Industries/Transportation/Under-The-Radar)

Thank you for that! As interesting as AlaskaBound's rumor is, I cannot think of why Sun Country would be purchased by Alaska (or other 737 operator for that matter). Winter destinations? Eastern U.S. exposure and charter side? As the article states, Minneapolis is tough with Delta, Spirit, and Southwest.

beech1980
10-28-2014, 08:44 AM
Thank you for that! As interesting as AlaskaBound's rumor is, I cannot think of why Sun Country would be purchased by Alaska (or other 737 operator for that matter). Winter destinations? Eastern U.S. exposure and charter side? As the article states, Minneapolis is tough with Delta, Spirit, and Southwest.

The only reason why I could see is the points you make. A base in the midwest to expand East, Eastern exposure, Caribean, Mexico, and the charter revenue we get through the military and ad hoc. The Military charter revenue is A LOT! It would also get them 21 737NG's and pilots on property quickly.

IlikePlaness
10-28-2014, 12:32 PM
Sun Country used to want snail mail resumes... Anyone know if they still accept or appreciate a resume delivered by Mail, or do they want online applications only? Thanks in advance for any insight...

VR5TG
11-08-2014, 02:06 AM
Could anyone give the link where to apply to Sun Country? It will be highly appreciated. Thanks

CloudPilot57
11-21-2014, 01:46 PM
Could anyone give the link where to apply to Sun Country? It will be highly appreciated. Thanks

I don't think there is one anymore as all hiring is basically from internals. Not to mention the stacks of resumes they currently have.

gearcrankr
11-22-2014, 05:04 AM
Could anyone give the link where to apply to Sun Country? It will be highly appreciated. Thanks

US Mail. The address is on the website, or stop in at the admin building next to the hangar on cargo road.

Good Luck.

Fetzervalve
11-27-2014, 04:46 PM
What's the schedule like at Sun Country? Are we talking 3-4 out-and-backs per week on the scheduled flights? Do you guys do any layovers on the scheduled side?

How much of your flying would typically be non-scheduled or military charter?

beech1980
11-28-2014, 10:21 AM
What's the schedule like at Sun Country? Are we talking 3-4 out-and-backs per week on the scheduled flights? Do you guys do any layovers on the scheduled side?

How much of your flying would typically be non-scheduled or military charter?

If you can hold out and backs. Yes 3-4 a week is average. As an FO if you can hold day turns in December you average 18-21 days off. If you do not hold Day turns you will have layovers on the Scheduled stuff. On reserve you may fly twice a week when its busy or you may not fly for a month. It all depends on the season and how much charter we pick up.
I would say bottom half of the seniority you will do more military and charter. Although some of the mil and charter stuff when it comes up pays well, then senior guys will bid it because of the money.

Braniff DC8
12-12-2014, 11:43 AM
Any news on pilot hiring?

beech1980
12-12-2014, 12:30 PM
Any news on pilot hiring?

I have been told they have no idea what they are going to do for 2015... We are properly staffed for the 22 (21 +1 that we are leasing for the winter)planes we have. I think management and ownership are waiting to see what the attrition looks like when we get a contract to vote on. Good news is the flight attendants just voted in their TA today. The pilot group is the last now to get a contract. I think it will happen soon now that we are the last and biggest financial ding to the companies bottom line...

gearcrankr
12-12-2014, 02:04 PM
I have been told they have no idea what they are going to do for 2015... We are properly staffed for the 22 (21 +1 that we are leasing for the winter)planes we have. I think management and ownership are waiting to see what the attrition looks like when we get a contract to vote on. Good news is the flight attendants just voted in their TA today. The pilot group is the last now to get a contract. I think it will happen soon now that we are the last and biggest financial ding to the companies bottom line...


There has got to be some attrition with the hiring going on. Any rumors as to how many? Interviews?

beech1980
12-13-2014, 08:35 AM
There has got to be some attrition with the hiring going on. Any rumors as to how many? Interviews?

as of the current roster list there was zero attrition. So as I said in the last post... NO need to interview now. There are always rumors. But they dont mean anything.

i fly planes
12-14-2014, 09:52 AM
I have been told they have no idea what they are going to do for 2015... We are properly staffed for the 22 (21 +1 that we are leasing for the winter)planes we have. I think management and ownership are waiting to see what the attrition looks like when we get a contract to vote on. Good news is the flight attendants just voted in their TA today. The pilot group is the last now to get a contract. I think it will happen soon now that we are the last and biggest financial ding to the companies bottom line...

Are there any details of the expected new contract?

WNPILOT
12-14-2014, 11:17 AM
A couple of weeks ago I was flying down to Harlingen Texas and I saw a Sun Country jet down there. I was wondering if you guys offered daily flights down there from MSP or was it just a charter flight?
Thanks

beech1980
12-15-2014, 07:13 AM
A couple of weeks ago I was flying down to Harlingen Texas and I saw a Sun Country jet down there. I was wondering if you guys offered daily flights down there from MSP or was it just a charter flight?
Thanks

Almost daily in the winter. It was not a charter.

mnspeak
12-20-2014, 10:36 PM
Are there any details of the expected new contract?

Flight Attendants just ratified their TA. There is more momentum towards getting a new pilot contract at Sun Country. Most sections are TA'd, big ticket items like compensation, scope and retirement are still on the table. Mediation continues in January. Sun Country as a company is doing well, pilots need to be compensated accordingly and be brought to industry standard s you can see from the pay scale comparison below.

plane2Tower
01-21-2015, 04:53 AM
Anything new on negotiations?

i fly planes
01-26-2015, 08:55 AM
Anything new on negotiations?

Negative. Negotiation delay after delay with no positive news from union really. Only thing repeated over and over is 12 year Captain pay.

GVGUY
02-04-2015, 10:40 PM
Is it still a requirement you must know some one within the company just to get an interview?

beech1980
02-05-2015, 07:42 AM
No. I'm not sure when the the next new hire class will be.

GVGUY
02-05-2015, 09:57 AM
Thank you sir

beech1980
02-05-2015, 10:16 AM
we currently are staffed for the planes we have and there was only one resignation and one retirement this month. I would think after the contract is settled we will see some people moving on and some growth with aircraft orders and other longer term contracts. I think the contract will be an improvement but wont be able to hold a candle to Americans contract and the improvements at all the other legacy and major carriers. There will be people leaving that are not attached to being based here in MSP. I would bet we will either be hiring or shutting down in the near future.... So take that for what you want.

i fly planes
02-11-2015, 06:07 AM
we currently are staffed for the planes we have and there was only one resignation and one retirement this month. I would think after the contract is settled we will see some people moving on and some growth with aircraft orders and other longer term contracts. I think the contract will be an improvement but wont be able to hold a candle to Americans contract and the improvements at all the other legacy and major carriers. There will be people leaving that are not attached to being based here in MSP. I would bet we will either be hiring or shutting down in the near future.... So take that for what you want.

There's a lot of uncertainty. You're right, whatever is in store is entirely unknown to the pilot group.

beech1980
02-25-2015, 02:47 PM
Sun Country pilots vote to authorize strike (http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2015/02/25/sun-country-pilots-vote-to-authorize-strike/23997837/)


Hopefully the end is near!

Jetlife
02-25-2015, 02:53 PM
Sun Country pilots vote to authorize strike (http://www.kare11.com/story/news/2015/02/25/sun-country-pilots-vote-to-authorize-strike/23997837/)


Hopefully the end is near!

100%, good for you guys!

gearcrankr
03-09-2015, 01:54 PM
100% as well. I do not however, question the ego of MD. This could get real ugly real fast.

i fly planes
04-17-2015, 01:35 PM
Any updates or is it still unreasonable gridlock? :confused:

beech1980
04-24-2015, 07:00 PM
http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/video/11425809-sun-country-pilots-walk-informational-picket/

Window_Seat
05-07-2015, 07:40 PM
Sun Country downsizing with 'threat of a shutdown' - KMSP-TV (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/29009614/sun-country-downsizing-before-ultimate-shutdown)

i fly planes
05-11-2015, 09:15 AM
Sun Country downsizing with 'threat of a shutdown' - KMSP-TV (http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/29009614/sun-country-downsizing-before-ultimate-shutdown)

How bringing the pay scales closer to "average", most likely still below average, will completely cripple the company is beyond me.

beech1980
05-11-2015, 01:09 PM
How bringing the pay scales closer to "average", most likely still below average, will completely cripple the company is beyond me.

Because the owner is a whiner that has always gotten his way. Its his way of threatening the employees. He is a billionaire trust funder that shouldn't be trying to run an airline.... This year alone, fuel savings will pay for the whole 5 year contract. He doesnt realize that if he grows the airline properly it will generate more revenue and allow for more growth and more profit for him! He's an idiot.

Flyetops
05-11-2015, 02:29 PM
Because the owner is a whiner that has always gotten his way. Its his way of threatening the employees. He is a billionaire trust funder that shouldn't be trying to run an airline.... This year alone, fuel savings will pay for the whole 5 year contract. He doesnt realize that if he grows the airline properly it will generate more revenue and allow for more growth and more profit for him! He's an idiot.

Stay strong guys. Sun Country is a very unique airline with great group of employees. I have flown on the airline as a revenue and a jump seat passenger, great experience each time. Best of luck, hopefully the owner pulls his head out of his ____!!!

Braniff DC8
05-11-2015, 08:29 PM
I guess this answers all the questions about going to work for SC. Good thread turned sour by yet another management team hell bent on destroying a good airline. I've seen this scorched earth policy before. They will shut it down and start it up again.

flyingsioux
06-11-2015, 02:41 PM
What's the latest?

beech1980
06-12-2015, 07:42 AM
Rumors are that MD is finally learning that it could be better to let the company grow and pay the pilots than shut it down and start over. I've heard they might have plans to add more aircraft and start to hire. CAUTION to those that want to join SCA! It could be the worst move of your career if you have a stable job. Its a crap shoot. It could be shut down in a year. It's a Gamble with a Nutty owner like MD!

i fly planes
06-12-2015, 02:30 PM
Rumors are that MD is finally learning that it could be better to let the company grow and pay the pilots than shut it down and start over. I've heard they might have plans to add more aircraft and start to hire. CAUTION to those that want to join SCA! It could be the worst move of your career if you have a stable job. Its a crap shoot. It could be shut down in a year. It's a Gamble with a Nutty owner like MD!

Omg what is his problem? Stop being greedy. Be reasonable and you'll have a signed deal tomorrow. The pilots are asking for what amounts to still below industry average, just not the lowest. Is that unreasonable?

mnspeak
06-17-2015, 01:50 PM
Plans to hire 6 pilots for August. I can't think of too many reasons you'd want to come to Sun Country anymore. Lowest paid 737 pilots in the industry and the QOL has taken a huge hit. Top 20% get day trips. 64% of pilots have 10-12 days off. Lots of 6 day trips, no weekends off unless you're top 20%. 34-hour layovers in MDW with no true min day. The appeal used to be for the Minnesota guys that wanted to be home a lot and didn't mind the hit in pay. Sun Country is evolving to a different type of airline and does not have a contract (5+ years) to ensure QOL for its pilots.

beech1980
06-17-2015, 05:53 PM
With the 2 additional planes planned for the winter the company will need to hire about 20 or so pilots by the start of the busy season which basically starts in December. The attrition will begin to pick up as the contract negotiations drag on and hiring at legacy carriers continues. I'm not sure if these two additional planes are leased planes for the winter or they will remain permanent on the roster. MNspeak is right. The QOL if you cannot hold the day trips is garbage! Now they are sliding in red eyes in inefficient 3,4,5, and 6 day trips. The Lure of being home and making a little less money is gone. You might as well be at a carrier that pays well if you are doing multiday trips all over the world... During the busy winter season the top 40-50% hold decent schedules. Reserve is not bad if you live close by and dont mind the uncertainty of being called, but the minimum pay of 70 hours and 10-11 days off is horrible.

i fly planes
06-19-2015, 08:03 AM
Plans to hire 6 pilots for August. I can't think of too many reasons you'd want to come to Sun Country anymore. Lowest paid 737 pilots in the industry and the QOL has taken a huge hit. Top 20% get day trips. 64% of pilots have 10-12 days off. Lots of 6 day trips, no weekends off unless you're top 20%. 34-hour layovers in MDW with no true min day. The appeal used to be for the Minnesota guys that wanted to be home a lot and didn't mind the hit in pay. Sun Country is evolving to a different type of airline and does not have a contract (5+ years) to ensure QOL for its pilots.

Those numbers are painfully accurate and the company understands that.

beech1980
06-19-2015, 08:40 AM
Those numbers are painfully accurate and the company understands that.

This is going to cause a lot of sick calls and attrition if this keeps up. Its actually about 70%. QOL is not what it used to be here. Spanjers is not here to make it a good place to work.

The bottom 91 of the 118 FO lines have 11 off for reserve or 12-13 days off with Horribly inneficient trips for line holders. Only 27 day turn lines. With the lack of a decent min day pay or a good trip rig you will be sitting in JFK, MDW or BOS for 3 days and credit less than 10 hours. 5 day trips worth 24 hours are not gonna keep people here for long

block30
06-19-2015, 08:47 AM
This is going to cause a lot of sick calls and attrition if this keeps up. Its actually about 70%. QOL is not what it used to be here. Spanjers is not here to make it a good place to work.

The bottom 91 of the 118 FO lines have 11 off for reserve or 12-13 days off with Horribly inneficient trips for line holders. Only 27 day turn lines. With the lack of a decent min day pay or a good trip rig you will be sitting in JFK, MDW or BOS for 3 days and credit less than 10 hours. 5 day trips worth 24 hours are not gonna keep people here for long
Hang on...Spanjers, as in John from Mesaba?

i fly planes
06-19-2015, 09:30 AM
This is going to cause a lot of sick calls and attrition if this keeps up. Its actually about 70%. QOL is not what it used to be here. Spanjers is not here to make it a good place to work.

The bottom 91 of the 118 FO lines have 11 off for reserve or 12-13 days off with Horribly inneficient trips for line holders. Only 27 day turn lines. With the lack of a decent min day pay or a good trip rig you will be sitting in JFK, MDW or BOS for 3 days and credit less than 10 hours. 5 day trips worth 24 hours are not gonna keep people here for long

Is that the point? To obtain more resignations? With as little as FOs already make, it seems like attrition would be a net loss.

beech1980
06-19-2015, 10:57 AM
Hang on...Spanjers, as in John from Mesaba?

Yes! The guy from the formerly Mesaba

beech1980
06-19-2015, 10:59 AM
Is that the point? To obtain more resignations? With as little as FOs already make, it seems like attrition would be a net loss.

I think they would like to grow but with new hires. They want to add planes. They want to get rid of the top heavy captain side and they want to see FO's leave before they get to the top of the pay scale. Keep the crew costs ultra low

vortexcrj
06-20-2015, 06:17 AM
Sun Country has become a Regional Airline... Except bigger airplanes. If you think by coming here that you are escaping the things you hate about Regional life, thing again.. If your an FO at A Regional and see this as an opportunity, think again. Your life will suck here and there won't be any chance of upgrade anytime soon, along with a training contract, ridiculously low pay, run by people that have zero ethics and continuously prove their incompetence on a daily basis... When Congress (the most unethical criminals in America) writes a letter to your COO stating how unethical his actions are, run and run fast... Wait it out where you are. To those that won't believe these posts, good luck in your career, your going to need it.... You have been warned.

Onedayatatimee
06-22-2015, 04:16 PM
Are you guys just hiring for an August class or are they planning to run a class in September also?

How would new hires be received online? Is it better to help the cause by not applying under current contract to show management they need to quit milking the current bankruptcy contract and increase pay/QOL?

tom14cat14
06-22-2015, 08:40 PM
I thought about going here at one time but it has just not improved. If you want MN go to Endeavor. It is sad that First year pay to fly a 200 (with bonus) will be higher than second year pay flying a 737. Heck 4th year pay at sun country is now 2nd year pay at 9e. I wish you guys the best of luck and hope things turn around for you. I know some that bailed there and luckily most are now at United. However there are still a few there.

Onedayatatimee
06-23-2015, 06:09 AM
I understand the current pay at SY compared to Endeavor's FO pay with bonus. For me to consider applying to SY you have to look at the future and not the current situation. Most likely its gonna be one of 3 different scenarios: 1. new contract with some pay raises factoring in the home town discount followed by some growth 2. Ownership sells to the highest bidder that wants to take control of T2 in MSP/merger (Southwest, Spirit, Alaska). 3. They shutter down.

I can't imagine they would just pull the plug on the place, to much money left on the table. It will most likely be #1 or #2. I don't have a crystal ball but to me the reward might out way the risk.

i fly planes
06-23-2015, 11:02 AM
I understand the current pay at SY compared to Endeavor's FO pay with bonus. For me to consider applying to SY you have to look at the future and not the current situation. Most likely its gonna be one of 3 different scenarios: 1. new contract with some pay raises factoring in the home town discount followed by some growth 2. Ownership sells to the highest bidder that wants to take control of T2 in MSP/merger (Southwest, Spirit, Alaska). 3. They shutter down.

I can't imagine they would just pull the plug on the place, to much money left on the table. It will most likely be #1 or #2. I don't have a crystal ball but to me the reward might out way the risk.

Good points, but all speculation. The only "fact" currently is that you can earn double the hourly pay elsewhere doing 5-day trips.

beech1980
06-25-2015, 10:22 AM
If I were looking outside trying to get a job here now I would stay away. Threats of shutting down. 12-13 day off lines when you can hold them. Unless there is major growth or attrition you will be on reserve a long time. Low pay, low min day pay, low trip rig, low vacation pay. You are better of with a regional with a flow or a regional with retention and signing bonus pay. The company is really going down the tubes with the current owner and management.

TWINZ
07-17-2015, 05:05 PM
This thread has gotten pretty quiet. Any progress?

beech1980
07-17-2015, 08:59 PM
I wouldn't say that any progress has been made on the contract. They are hiring 6 pilots a month and looking to run classes for quite some time with the attrition. Probably gonna need to hire 30-40 pilots by the end of the year. I think first year FO pay is now 41-42 bucks an hour. The owner is still threatening to shut down the company if we demand industry average pay and benifits... Looks like the company will make close to 100 million this year! He still says he can't afford to pay us. Buyer be ware.

i fly planes
07-18-2015, 03:42 AM
I wouldn't say that any progress has been made on the contract. They are hiring 6 pilots a month and looking to run classes for quite some time with the attrition. Probably gonna need to hire 30-40 pilots by the end of the year. I think first year FO pay is now 41-42 bucks an hour. The owner is still threatening to shut down the company if we demand industry average pay and benifits... Looks like the company will make close to 100 million this year! He still says he can't afford to pay us. Buyer be ware.

Day turn lines are a thing of the past at SCA and should also be emphasized.

Onedayatatimee
07-18-2015, 06:44 AM
I wouldn't say that any progress has been made on the contract. They are hiring 6 pilots a month and looking to run classes for quite some time with the attrition. Probably gonna need to hire 30-40 pilots by the end of the year. I think first year FO pay is now 41-42 bucks an hour. The owner is still threatening to shut down the company if we demand industry average pay and benifits... Looks like the company will make close to 100 million this year! He still says he can't afford to pay us. Buyer be ware.

The sad thing is this would all come to an 11th hour end if you guys could get released for a 30day cooling off period. They are making to much money to shutter down. The longer they can drag this out the more money they make on the cheap labor and cheap fuel prices. Davis family is probably hoping that while they milk the clock on negotiations cost might go up and they can spin that as the reason not to pay the pilots.

Is the union pulling out all the stops to get this resolved? I know you guys picketed one day I think, geez maybe start picketing once a week. If I had that day off I would be happy to join. Write to congress and show them some of the over lap in competition on most routes and no reason after 5yrs they can't release you, the public will still have service if you end up striking to resolve this.

I wish you guys the best, if you are FO's over there just know that the QOL at the regionals you left isn't that great either, you aren't missing much. 8yr FO's at Endeavor and QOL as a 9-12yr captain is horrible with 11days off and used everyday on reserve.

How is the reserve QOL at Sun Country?

beech1980
07-18-2015, 08:37 AM
From what I hear it's not what it used to be. In the past you might do a turn once a week or maybe a couple times a month do a 2-3 day trip. Now it sounds like guys are getting used all the time. Some guys are flying all 5 days on reserve.

beech1980
07-20-2015, 08:04 PM
Sounds like we will be hiring for a class every month for the remainder of the year. From what I hear it's tough to hire when the owner says he's shutting the company down even with the increased first year pay!! The owners a moron. Billions that you inherit don't buy class and smarts.

Braniff DC8
07-21-2015, 03:19 AM
Other bases and how does one apply? Thank you.

Contrail06
07-22-2015, 09:10 AM
Other bases and how does one apply? Thank you.

https://www.suncountry.com/page/1/careers.jsp

beech1980
07-22-2015, 06:57 PM
https://www.suncountry.com/page/1/careers.jsp


Must have run out of internals.... I guess off the street hiring might not be a bad thing. Im sure the paltry pay and lack of a contract over the past five years has dried the well up. Oh and the worlds worst owner and management!! Good luck.

Braniff DC8
07-23-2015, 12:42 AM
Nothing there Contrail.

Contrail06
07-23-2015, 02:13 AM
Nothing there Contrail.

Well the link works when I click it. But otherwise, go to suncountry.com and careers on the bottom left.

DhruvK
07-26-2015, 01:11 AM
Threw in. ~2400 TT/900 TPIC with no internal. Willing to take the gamble in case things turn out for the best, I guess!

i fly planes
07-26-2015, 04:05 AM
Best wishes to those applying! What is occurring with the National Mediation Board no one knows....it's been at least 6 months since the company said take it or leave it, final offer?

beech1980
07-26-2015, 12:35 PM
Threw in. ~2400 TT/900 TPIC with no internal. Willing to take the gamble in case things turn out for the best, I guess!

You never know... A couple years ago mins where 5k, jet/prop pic and glass time. Now an ATP might get the job With the way hiring is going! It's dismal at Sun Country.

Onedayatatimee
07-26-2015, 04:07 PM
What has attrition been like since the owner threaten to shut down?
Is it the bottom of the list that is leaving?
Are they going to mid majors or majors (Alaska, SWA, United...)?
I was looking at your flight schedule into the spring on the company website. Is it pretty normal to fly Florida to west coast and points on the east coast to the west or is that new point to point flying they are gonna try?
How many more airplanes are they getting?

beech1980
07-26-2015, 05:21 PM
What has attrition been like since the owner threaten to shut down?
Is it the bottom of the list that is leaving?
Are they going to mid majors or majors (Alaska, SWA, United...)?
I was looking at your flight schedule into the spring on the company website. Is it pretty normal to fly Florida to west coast and points on the east coast to the west or is that new point to point flying they are gonna try?
How many more airplanes are they getting?

The attrition is on the FO side. People are leaving to Delta, United, Southwest, and Alaska.
I honestly don't know what is normal anymore with the schedule... I just bid the month before and end up with what I can get.
We just started doing 4 day lines that day 2 and 3 you go coast to coast, day 1 and 2 are one legs to the coast. We did this kind of flying years ago in the 727. It didnt work out so well but hey the management is inept and they will try it again.
To be truthful the management here isnt real airline management. They have no forsight and plan to grow the company.

beech1980
07-29-2015, 03:52 PM
Sun Country pilots union would seek impasse in negotiations - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_28555142/sun-country-pilots-union-would-seek-impasse-negotiations)


It could be the beginning of the end!

Onedayatatimee
07-29-2015, 07:17 PM
Yeah the end of ownership keeping all the profits, almost time to have to share. Hang in there guys/gals! Better days ahead.

I'm guessing its gonna come down to the wire, I hope not but guessing this owner is willing to go minutes from a strike just to flex.

Gotta be to much money being made right now to do anything but reach a TA with the pilots.

RightSide
08-04-2015, 11:52 AM
How many Sun Country guys are leaving a month? Are you guys still getting new hires?

beech1980
08-04-2015, 12:05 PM
The attrition varies. Maybe 3 a month leaving. A couple more retiring in the next 6 months. So far they are hiring 6 a month for the rest of the year. YES they are having no problem getting people to come here. A 737 is some peoples dream after flying an RJ. The question is how long will new hires stay?? This place could be a underwing jet training mill:). Reserve is not fun here. 10-11 days off. They fly you a lot now. If the pay doesn't get adjusted and hiring continues at places that pay twice as much as SCA there will be a constant revolving door here.

RightSide
08-04-2015, 12:08 PM
Thanks Beech. I'm an 8 year FO at Endeavor and didn't know if I should apply. I am local to Minneapolis, so that is one of the big things I like.

Gooneybird1971
08-04-2015, 02:44 PM
Thanks Beech. I'm an 8 year FO at Endeavor and didn't know if I should apply. I am local to Minneapolis, so that is one of the big things I like.
I am guessing once we do get a new contract msp won't be the only pilot base so keep that in mind if you decide to jump ship...good luck to all!

TWINZ
08-04-2015, 03:43 PM
I am guessing once we do get a new contract msp won't be the only pilot base so keep that in mind if you decide to jump ship...good luck to all!


Any updates on the timeline with the NMB?

Onedayatatimee
08-04-2015, 06:22 PM
I am guessing once we do get a new contract msp won't be the only pilot base so keep that in mind if you decide to jump ship...good luck to all!


Do you think they will displace out of MSP to a new base "First Officers" or just hire for a new base at some point in the future?

A new contract would have to have some nice raises to get Minnesotans to leave MSP and be based in DFW or MIA for example, I'm guessing. I can't imagine people will stick around at $50-$60k and commute from MSP??

beech1980
08-05-2015, 08:05 AM
Do you think they will displace out of MSP to a new base "First Officers" or just hire for a new base at some point in the future?

A new contract would have to have some nice raises to get Minnesotans to leave MSP and be based in DFW or MIA for example, I'm guessing. I can't imagine people will stick around at $50-$60k and commute from MSP??

They will do what ever is best for the owners pockets. Plain and simple. If thats displacing or hiring. It would depend on how many airplanes they want to grow by. I've heard up to 40 total. The money at the Legacy airlines is to much to ignore now. I think everyone has resumes out to see what happens.
You would be surprised at how many people would stay.
This airline is like a traditional Part 121 with 4 day trips, Part 91 corporate with the day turns, and Part 135 with the 5-6 day trips. We are also doing a fair amount of ETOPS flying to Europe, The Middle East, and the Pacific. It has a variety of flying. Depending on seniority you can bid different every month.

starship
08-05-2015, 02:04 PM
I see they finally put up an FO position on their careers page... something I've never seen before. Attrition must be picking up.

beech1980
08-05-2015, 03:08 PM
I see they finally put up an FO position on their careers page... something I've never seen before. Attrition must be picking up.

Attrition is and will. The main issue is the current pilots have no more referrals. Like i've said before why come here unless you are jobless... THE OWNERS SAID THEY ARE SHUTTING IT DOWN! I know it might be contract talk, but maybe it isn't.. No one knows. One thing I know is that he is not a boss that anyone wants to work for.
Tough to recruit when the OWNER publicly said that and he still has not recinded that phrase from a few months ago.

CJWalking
08-16-2015, 09:57 AM
Any updates on negotiations?

beech1980
08-18-2015, 07:46 AM
I think there is a meeting soon. On the plus side. We have a job fair for pilots and many other jobs at the Ramada today.... I thought we were shutting down? I am not taking anything less than industry average. This guys a clown!! Prospective pilots beware. This will get uglier.

i fly planes
08-19-2015, 01:55 AM
Any updates on negotiations?

Not really? The company continues to insist that the only reason for profitability is the current low oil prices and thus pilot wages must remain the lowest in the industry or else.

CJWalking
08-19-2015, 08:25 AM
Thanks for the responses. Best of luck to you guys/gals.

CFin
08-19-2015, 11:03 AM
I did go to the job fair yesterday and everyone seemed really positive. Being local I would love to fly for them, but not during the current climate there. Hopefully everything will get sorted out soon.

i fly planes
08-19-2015, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the responses. Best of luck to you guys/gals.

Thanks -- If you're in Minneapolis, Sun Country could be great for you. I don't think anyone actively discourages pilots from coming here, but before you come, please know that things may go either way. Since it's a private company, everything is pretty much unknown (actual profits, future business plans, etc.) and all speculation. The only "known" is that much more money will be earned elsewhere if that's what is most important to your life.

starship
08-26-2015, 12:19 PM
I did go to the job fair yesterday and everyone seemed really positive. Being local I would love to fly for them, but not during the current climate there. Hopefully everything will get sorted out soon.

I didn't go to the job fair but got called and had a voicemail from them today about an interview. So maybe it was slim pickings at the job fair.. Thinking I have to stay put until they get a better contract/pay raise..if that ever happens.

AU MD FLYER
09-05-2015, 04:34 AM
Any updates on negotiations?

Ok, it's been 2 weeks... so was there an update put out to the pilot group regarding any recent negotiations on the pilot contract? If so, was the meeting even a productive one?

Hard to even imagine the frustration after 5 years of negotiations.

Thanks.

beech1980
09-10-2015, 03:39 PM
The meeting is next week. Crickets as of now.

AU MD FLYER
09-10-2015, 05:25 PM
The meeting is next week. Crickets as of now.

Ok, thanks for the update beech. Please update us again next week.
AU

Onedayatatimee
09-20-2015, 10:50 AM
Ok, thanks for the update beech. Please update us again next week.
AU

Is it true you have a TA at SY??
Startribune reporting TA reached??

starship
09-20-2015, 09:58 PM
Is it true you have a TA at SY??
Startribune reporting TA reached??


Also interested to know.

beech1980
09-21-2015, 01:17 AM
Not as of now. I think some miss information was released to the newspaper.. From what we have heard from the MEC is that they have made substantial progress and they thought by the end of the weekend they would have a TA. That time has come and gone. I think they are all still in DC and we should have an update maybe Ina day or two. Hopefully a TA to vote yes on! It will be interesting to see what they get.

Edgecrusher28
09-21-2015, 09:45 AM
Anyone know a name or number for pilot hiring over there? I am a Minneapolis local just about to wrap up my R-ATP hours. I understand they were looking for 2000tt and a MEATP, but I figured it could never hurt to inquire.

DashTrash508
09-21-2015, 11:04 AM
Anyone know a name or number for pilot hiring over there? I am a Minneapolis local just about to wrap up my R-ATP hours. I understand they were looking for 2000tt and a MEATP, but I figured it could never hurt to inquire.

I visited with their Chief Pilot about six weeks ago (I had 3800tt, 2500me, 2200 turbine, and 1100TPIC at the time). He stated that they were looking for 4000+ hours total time and turbine PIC time to be competitive.

beech1980
09-21-2015, 11:06 AM
I visited with their Chief Pilot about six weeks ago (I had 3800tt, 2500me, 2200 turbine, and 1100TPIC at the time). He stated that they were looking for 4000+ hours total time and turbine PIC time to be competitive.

Even with the dismal pay and QOL hit the airline has had in the last year. They still look for guys with higher times and PIC if they can. There are some unique circumstances that people will get hired with much less.

DashTrash508
09-22-2015, 08:29 AM
Even with the dismal pay and QOL hit the airline has had in the last year. They still look for guys with higher times and PIC if they can. There are some unique circumstances that people will get hired with much less.

Oddly enough, yesterday I received a phone call from the CP shortly after posting this. He offered me a class date of Oct 26.

beech1980
09-22-2015, 08:44 AM
Oddly enough, yesterday I received a phone call from the CP shortly after posting this. He offered me a class date of Oct 26.

Are you gonna take it? They are receiving a lot of PRIA requests and the resignations are picking up.
SCA will be hurting this winter. When you only need to give a two week notice and it takes almost 90 days to get on the line, that casues a major staffing issue. Check rides are about 60 days from the first day of training. 40 hours of IOE. Some people think its a lot but most of OE flights are day turns which are 6-7 hours of flying, so 6 turns.
Once on the line and on reserve, you will be doing a combination of day turns, multi day trips, charters, and ETOPS all over the world.
They are adding IOE captains to help get new hires on the line faster.

DashTrash508
09-22-2015, 10:03 AM
Are you gonna take it? They are receiving a lot of PRIA requests and the resignations are picking up.
SCA will be hurting this winter. When you only need to give a two week notice and it takes almost 90 days to get on the line, that casues a major staffing issue. Check rides are about 60 days from the first day of training. 40 hours of IOE. Some people think its a lot but most of OE flights are day turns which are 6-7 hours of flying, so 6 turns.
Once on the line and on reserve, you will be doing a combination of day turns, multi day trips, charters, and ETOPS all over the world.
They are adding IOE captains to help get new hires on the line faster.

I haven't decided yet. I'm certainly interested in the opportunity, however I have a wife at home to convince, so.....we'll see. Thanks for the insight!