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FL600
10-17-2006, 09:57 AM
I am considering flying out of BFI instead of my usual spot, just cause BFI is closer. What FBO are you at and do you like it? Most of my flying has been done in less busy airspace, I'm a little nervous to make the jump.


rickair7777
10-17-2006, 01:42 PM
Don't know where BFI is, can't help you there. But for commercial training, you want the busiest airspace you can conveniently get to. Otherwise you will have to learn how to talk on the radio in the right seat of an RJ going into some huge metropolitan area...they will not teach you that during sim training.

vagabond
10-17-2006, 02:33 PM
Wow, this is the first time someone on the forum put my name on the title of any thread! I assume you are referring to me?

Anyway, people on the forum know that I am in Seattle and recently began flight school. I have a whopping 7.4 hours in my FAA-approved logbook. I am learning at Wings Aloft, an FBO at BFI (rickair, that is Boeing Field). It's a pretty good outfit, but I find it expensive, although not as expensive as Galvin down the street. It has a variety of planes so there is not much chance of being denied the opportunity of flying when you want to. There is an annoying little membership fee, but the process of reserving a plane and flying it is smooth and logical (which helps my lawyer brain). I fly the C-172 mostly.

As I said in another thread, BFI is not SeaTac, but it gets busy. Lots of general aviation planes, business jets, cargo, helicopters flying around all the time. And one has to be careful of SeaTac airspace. Why I've had to dodge more than one Alaska MD-80 while attempting to land! Makes flying patterns very interesting to say the least. My discovery flight (details of which are reported ad nauseum in an old, old thread) was delayed even because President Bush came to town. That day, I learned what a NOTAM was from my friends here on the forum.

Your skills in radio communications will improved markedly. My CFI let me talk to Boeing ground and Boeing tower for the first time a couple weeks ago. I learned to speak loudly and clearly. I knew it was not a super busy day so I said everything in its entirety. There is a thread going on here about improper phraseology. Well, my humble opinion is to use a little judgment. If it's not busy, then talk with the tower as you have been taught in ground school. A busy time is not the time to engage in idle chit chat with some guy in the tower you don't even know. But then that's just my opinion.

Where are you flying out of now? I thought about going to someplace less busy, but I'm glad I am staying at BFI. I can only become a better pilot. My final comment - if a lawyer can fly around BFI without killing herself and her CFI, then anybody can fly out of BFI.


FL600
10-19-2006, 11:03 AM
Yes Vagabond! I was meaning you! I am in Seattle also and wanted a heads up on the best available training! :)

I might come down to check it out, when are you there? We can meet up for coffee.

vagabond
10-19-2006, 12:35 PM
Whew, I thought you might have been referring to someone else!

Anyway, I am scheduled to fly again Tuesday, October 24, at 10:30 am, although I usually go earlier to do my pre-flight. If you are free then, come on down. William (that nice fellow) at Wings knows who I am.

PS: just ask them to page that crazy lawyer.

HSLD
10-19-2006, 02:06 PM
I am considering flying out of BFI instead of my usual spot, just cause BFI is closer. What FBO are you at and do you like it? Most of my flying has been done in less busy airspace, I'm a little nervous to make the jump.

What's your usual spot? If you're in the south sound area, have you tried the narrows airport?

I'd disagree with Rickair7777, if you are pursuing primary training, learn in a relaxed atmosphere and airspace. You'll save a ton of money not waiting on ground delays or holding short for inbound jets, wake turbulence, etc. Talking on the radio? If you can talk on a cell phone you can talk on a radio, it's just a matter of what to say and when. That all comes with practice.

Good luck

FL600
10-19-2006, 02:34 PM
Darn it, I'm busy on tuesday - taking the kids to the dentist. Crazy lawyers are fun though, can't wait to run into you!

Crashman
10-22-2006, 03:27 AM
Hi vagabond! Whe I was a student I used to know exactly what to say - until the mike button got pressed. Then: tongue-lock. That was real popular on the tower freq. My old instructor cured me. "Look. Boils down to the exact same 3 things every time. Tell 'em
1. Who you are
2. Where you are
3 What you wanna do. That's IT!"

Ninguno problemo forever after. Now I can even talk all deep and drawly like the big iron guys, but that took years.

vagabond
10-23-2006, 05:44 PM
Nice to hear from you again, Crashman! I think it ought to be a misdemeanor for two lawyers like us to step into any cockpit and take to the skies. hee hee.

vagabond
10-29-2006, 07:18 PM
MileHighMama,

Just got word that I am flying again on Tuesday, October 31 at 10:30 am. If you are free, come on down to BFI. Bring your kids, too. Might be a scary thing to watch a lawyer try to fly faster than 100 kts and still not puke all over herself.

FL600
10-31-2006, 01:01 PM
How was it this morning? I'm going up on friday - right before parent teacher conferences! hah!

I will be up your way later on tonight - going to a MS party......hope to run into you at bfi soon.










MileHighMama,

Just got word that I am flying again on Tuesday, October 31 at 10:30 am. If you are free, come on down to BFI. Bring your kids, too. Might be a scary thing to watch a lawyer try to fly faster than 100 kts and still not puke all over herself.

Laxrox43
10-31-2006, 02:40 PM
...giggity giggity goooo ;) --- inside joke

vagabond
10-31-2006, 04:11 PM
...giggity giggity goooo ;) --- inside joke

Are we supposed to laugh? :)

vagabond
10-31-2006, 04:13 PM
How was it this morning? I'm going up on friday - right before parent teacher conferences! hah!

I will be up your way later on tonight - going to a MS party......hope to run into you at bfi soon.

Everything was great this morning. Got to fly my favorite plane, even though I found her with two loose screws and the wing tip held together with duct tape. (Hmmm, that's what my husband says about me!).

The temperature was a cold 45 degrees and there was a stiff wind at BFI, but once we took off, I was greeted with the most beautiful views of Mt. Rainier, the Olympic range, Mt. Baker and Puget Sound. Looking down, I could see cars and people going about their business, and thought to myself how lucky I am to be up in the sky with not a care in the world. That was until my instructor, more for his own amusement than my education, decided he was going to show me how to stall the plane. Once was not enough for this fellow, he had to show me three times. I mean, enough already. Perhaps he wanted to see me use the barf bag knowing full well there was none onboard.

Then it was off to Paine Field for touch and go practice. The last one was a simulated emergency landing with no power whatsoever. Again, very funny pal, but it was actually a lot of fun. Did this three times before moving on to turns while using the hood. Man, I'm really good at that.

Pretty busy day at BFI. Had to dodge the usual Alaska MD-80s, other little planes and even one towing a banner touting some so-and-so for Supreme Court justice.

Next flying is Thursday. Sorry MHM. I am up to my eyeballs with bar association work on Friday.

FL600
10-31-2006, 10:56 PM
...giggity giggity goooo ;) --- inside joke

Giggity giggity right back at you - and u know what that means! :p

FL600
10-31-2006, 10:59 PM
Everything was great this morning. Got to fly my favorite plane, even though I found her with two loose screws and the wing tip held together with duct tape. (Hmmm, that's what my husband says about me!).

The temperature was a cold 45 degrees and there was a stiff wind at BFI, but once we took off, I was greeted with the most beautiful views of Mt. Rainier, the Olympic range, Mt. Baker and Puget Sound. Looking down, I could see cars and people going about their business, and thought to myself how lucky I am to be up in the sky with not a care in the world. That was until my instructor, more for his own amusement than my education, decided he was going to show me how to stall the plane. Once was not enough for this fellow, he had to show me three times. I mean, enough already. Perhaps he wanted to see me use the barf bag knowing full well there was none onboard.

Then it was off to Paine Field for touch and go practice. The last one was a simulated emergency landing with no power whatsoever. Again, very funny pal, but it was actually a lot of fun. Did this three times before moving on to turns while using the hood. Man, I'm really good at that.

Pretty busy day at BFI. Had to dodge the usual Alaska MD-80s, other little planes and even one towing a banner touting some so-and-so for Supreme Court justice.

Next flying is Thursday. Sorry MHM. I am up to my eyeballs with bar association work on Friday.

Sounds like it was a great day! I love flying up here with all the beautiful scenery and just the getting away from the horrid Seattle traffic feeling!

Bummer that I'll miss ya this time, but I might be around to do a favor for my man and I'll have them page you to see if you are around! :)

vagabond
11-02-2006, 08:58 PM
MHM, we have to stop meeting like this! :)

Next flying is Tuesday, Nov 7. Do I hear Nov 7? You in the back, do I hear Nov 7? Going once, going twice.

de727ups
11-02-2006, 10:26 PM
BFI is a crazy place to learn how to fly but it will make one heck of a good pilot out of you.

I was in the jumpseat of a UPS 757 landing on 31L yesterday. We got three seperate "traffic" advisories on the TCAS and one RA. The Capt, who is the chairman of the union's pilot training committe at UPS, said that was the most traffic advisories he's ever seen. He also made the comment, "this place is a zoo", on a three mile final. It's not the first time I've heard this comment from a UPS Capt at BFI.

Ya'll stay out of the way of the big brown planes at BFI, would ya...

vagabond
11-03-2006, 07:56 PM
Ya'll stay out of the way of the big brown planes at BFI, would ya...

I was doing my preflight one day and had just hoisted my large butt up to check the gas when a big brown plane landed on 31L. The noise and vibration almost made me fall off. :)

If you are ever at BFI again, look for me and my favorite plane. I'll be the one sitting at Alpha 9 for much longer than necessary. If you happen to be there when I takeoff, I'm the one with the signature zigzaggy maneuver. Can't fly straight. Good thing I'm not a cop because I probably can't shoot straight either. ;)