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vagabond
10-08-2012, 12:33 AM
My husband and I just flew Cebu Pacific from Manila to Davao. I've never flown it before so I've never commented on it. The CEO's sister is an old family friend and I have to say their father would be very pleased to see how well they turned out and how well the businesses are doing.

The incoming flight was late, but we were able to close the doors only 30 minutes later. Sat on the runway for what seemed like forever, but we arrived in Davao no more than 30 minutes past the time on the schedule.

Cabin crew were all young women and very fun, modern, not obese, and appeared to be happy in their chosen career. The A320 was new looking. Not their fault that the tower made us wait. The landing, however, was a bit rough, and the Davao airport is such that when the plane got to the end of the runway, it turned around 360 degrees to get to the terminal. If the airport was any busier, another plane landing would not have been a good thing.

Anyway, the inflight magazine indicated the purchase of quite a number of new aircraft and therefore the need for more pilots, cabin crew, and other associated jobs. I don't know anything about the pay, work conditions, or anything like whether they have a training contact. Given what I saw on equipment and growth, if I were a furloughed person, I'd consider Cebu Pacific. Cost of living in the Philippines is cheap as heck. Saw many Americans, Australians, Germans etc who have decided to stay here and even taken a Filipina wife. Also saw many rather unsavory types who are clearly running from something (wife, ex-wife, girlfriend, boyfriend, IRS, law enforcement) and they too have decided this is a safe place.

As I said, we had a good experience. I assume the flight back to Manila won't be any different. And just because the CEO is an old family friend doesn't mean I know whether he's a good boss or not.


ImperialxRat
10-08-2012, 02:24 AM
I think the "legal right to work and live in the Philippines" is what holds a lot of people back. I remember looking into them a few years ago and you need to be a national or marry a Filipina and do the paperwork to get the right to work there. Otherwise, I would be all for it!

Glad you made it safely. Have a nice trip :)

captjns
10-08-2012, 02:39 AM
Two former Cebu skippers at my current carrier left the carrier because of arbitrary decisions and disciplinary actions crewmembers by management and operations management.


Skymaster
10-08-2012, 02:56 AM
Two former Cebu skippers at my current carrier left the carrier because of arbitrary decisions and disciplinary actions crewmembers by management and operations management.

And I know many crewmembers currently flying there that like the company and wouldn't go anywhere else.

YMMV

Bucking Bar
10-08-2012, 06:15 AM
from another board:

UPGRADE:
Defenitely there is no upgrade for expat. Only locals and company regular line FO's are slated for upgrade to right seat. No upgrade even if have 5,000 A320 time. there is no permanent contract. Expats are on a temporary basis (3 or 6 months subject to renewal) and a stop gap measure only while addresing the shortage of pilots in the line due massive resignations of locals. Philippine law states expat employment of 6 months or less will not be subject to income tax. But beyond 6 months of employment, a 32% tax will automatically apply. So staying beyond your contract term of 6 months is not advisable.


WORING CONDITION:
Expect average of 90 hrs roster in a month.half or the roster is alloted in flying redeye and the rest are mixed domestic and international. Flight schedule are tight, hectic and stressful. 8 days off is guaranted in the contact but is not being followed. To cite you this, After terminating from a 5 am red eye flight, the time from 6am to 12 midnight which is supposed to be my rest rest day is being treated as day off instead of rest day.so in reality, 8 days is printed in your schedule but half of it is only the actual day off, the rest being a rest day not a day off. Even if you are on day off, the scheduler will sometimes call you at the hotel for flt upgrade due crew situation reason. The company will try to maximize your availability for every dollars they pay you.

Most of the runways being operated on the domestic route are very short and narrow.average of 1,700 mtrs length by 30 mtrs width.
The locals are nice to work with. They are accomodating and not as racist
like the middle east and other asian airline. Better crm and good cockpit
environment.
Turnaround time for each flight is only 30 minutes, so expect heavy workload in each turnaround. Pay for FO is around US $ 4200 net with free hotac and shuttle service to hotel and office.


So for me, its not advisable to come to cebu pacific. The working schedule is a
****. too stressful and too tiring. There a problem too with the way management pilots are running the show. No wonder that most of the locals are tranferring to other airlines. Its better to go to other asian airlines like vietnam, china and india where better pay and roster awaits you:eek:Adding to this, the Philippines can be dangerous. Several Ce-Pac crews and management have been robbed and shot. The Philippines is a very poor, in the midst of a religious civil war, and their government somewhat ineffective at running the place.

I used to go diving in the Philippines, but my last experience in Manilla made me think it just isn't safe anymore.

Bucking Bar
10-08-2012, 06:21 AM
And I know many crewmembers currently flying there that like the company and wouldn't go anywhere else.

YMMV$100,000 bond obligation? Philippine national who can upgrade?

PCLCREW
10-08-2012, 06:47 AM
I just went through some training with a guy who did a contract job there a few years ago.
He said CP is bad at best. MX is a nightmare and the airline was banned from flying to several countries because of it.
He said when his contract was over they weren't taking anymore expats for things like expats writing up broken airplanes and complaining when they were being scheduled illegally.
I don't know if things have changed but it sounds like crap.
Just as someone else said...he said you really need to watch yourself in MNL and elsewhere.

The Dominican
10-08-2012, 08:42 AM
Better opportunities out there, that is all I'm going to say

Jay5150
10-08-2012, 08:53 AM
"...got to the end of the runway and did a 360 degree turn to get back to the terminal....."

Um, I'm no math major, but.........

SuperLolo
10-08-2012, 12:51 PM
The latest from another board:



Recruitment
Mr.M,

Cebu just doesn't respond to emails. The girl in the office gets hundreds, yes hundred of emails enquiring about jobs and her attitude just doesn't lend itself to respond. What's the current situation?

All the expats have been given a termination notice of 90 days. Most have been given the option of signing back up under local terms but as we know, that really doesn't cut it as we aren't local, our families don't live here, and they are also taking away the commuting roster so you'll only have 15 days a year in which to visit your parents and friends even if you can talk your wife and children to come over and live "local" style. This mean no A/C and riding the jeepney since your pay as a Captain, after you pay taxes will be less than 5K USD per month. ( try maintaining two household on that ) Plus, unlike a local, you are working at the graces of the visa people and that is hit and miss. you will have to get your own local license, no more validation. If you're starting out as an FO, now that is a good deal. If you have any time whatsoever you can probably plan on the left seat in less than a year. This is according to some guys that were recently hired. the level of experience here is very low so when you do make the left seat, your skill level will rise very quickly since you'll be flying a 320 solo. The FO's are trained as well as possible but we all know that you can't learn flying from a book. If you email the HR dept, don't expect a reply and you won't be disappointed. You really need to know someone. So, in a nut shell, the management, mainly Mr. Mark B, has decided that Cebu can get highly experienced Captains, to fly brutal schedules, with FO's that have a few hundred hours of flight time and don't want to be told anything by an expat Capt. And for that, you'll get paid 5K per month. Oh, and one final tid bit. you're only allowed to have 8 days off per month maximum since the pilots shouldn't have more time off than the office workers. So, during the busy times, if you're pushing the 100 hour limit, rostering will DH you to a city 45 minutes away and have you sit for 3 hours and then fly the trip back. Just to make sure you don't get an extra day off to rest.It's a great job for an inexperienced pilot to build time and upgrade rapidly. The people you work with are fantastic. But, it's rough duty and not for the light hearted. Good luck!

As part of the new Pilot code of conduct, you must be contactable on your days off. You must ask for written permission to leave your base, for example, you have 2 days off and you want to run up to Hong Kong.

If Cebu calls you for a trip on your day off you cannot refuse! Yes! There you have it ladies. The very best, kept for last. All days off are considered stand-by days. How's that for a finely oiled machine.

I grew up and lived most of my life in the PI. I looked into this gig as well as others (Zest, Air Phils, AA Phils, PAL). I can tell you that there are better contracts out in SE asia. Unless, you really want to live in the PI, then I have to agree with The Dom - stay away because there are better opportunities in the area.

And btw, it's not CE-PAC. It's BU-PAK. (Sepak is a game they play with their feet using a ball made of straw).

Skymaster
10-08-2012, 03:23 PM
from another board:

And that board is rather dubious in some of the "facts" that are presented.:rolleyes:



Adding to this, the Philippines can be dangerous.

As can any country. Try wandering into the wrong part of Detroit, Memphis, Miami, Tampa, New Orleans, (insert name of favorite city)etc, etc,etc....



Several Ce-Pac crews and management have been robbed and shot.


Really? Care to share the links to these stories (other than a web board claim) ?


The Philippines is a very poor, in the midst of a religious civil war

Religious civil war???? For the most part the Philippines are peaceful. If you are in the western part of Mindanao yes, it can be dangerous due to the Muslim population and Islamic extremist.

Been to Chicago lately?



and their government somewhat ineffective at running the place.

Been to the USA lately??:rolleyes:


I used to go diving in the Philippines, but my last experience in Manilla made me think it just isn't safe anymore.

OK, no problem there. I can counter with "several of my last experiences with the USA made me think it just isn't safe anymore."


This thread is a perfect example of why I try to avoid web forums anymore as they are filled with sciolist who put out vagaries and misleading information on subjects in which most of their information is derived from yet another forum where another sciolist has done the same thing because he read another forum.......you get the point. :rolleyes:

Anyway, have fun folks, before this thread is over it will deteriorate into who knows what with the stories becoming more bizarre and inane.

Skymaster
10-08-2012, 03:24 PM
And btw, it's not CE-PAC. It's BU-PAK. (Sepak is a game they play with their feet using a ball made of straw).

:D..............

vagabond
10-08-2012, 04:41 PM
As the thread starter, let me make a few more points.

First, I apologize for the fuzzy math - the plane made a 180 degree turn at the end of the runway, not a 360. This is why I am a lawyer and not a math professor!

Second, in the spirit of transparency, I am not Filipino (my husband is not either), but I was born in Manila. This trip "home" is not my first, and I admit to discussing the Philippines with a different set of eyes. I am very sentimental and tend to look at things in the best possible light. It is because I want the best for Filipinos and the Philippines given the many problems it has had with government, poverty, and natural disasters.

As mentioned, we flew Cebu Pacific for the first time yesterday. We had a good experience. I did not try to pin down any sort of information from the Captain nor did I speak with the FAs about anything. I was simply reporting what I saw and suggesting Cebu Pacific as an alternative to someone who may be furloughed and has few options. The Philippines is not for everyone. Hell, it's probably not for me either for the long term. I'm starting my third week here and nothing bad has happened to me, not even diarrhea from eating Halo Halo, buko juice, gulaman, ube ice cream.

So take this for what it's worth. If you are interested in Cebu Pacific, do your own due diligence, do research, talk with people, read this forum and other forums, visit the Philippines if you want. The Gokongwei family has been a friend to my family for many years, but it was a social relationship and not a business one. I'm sure they are rather cutthroat when it comes to business and that is why they are "mayaman" and I am not.

LNL76
10-09-2012, 08:12 AM
Cabin crew were all young women and very fun, modern, not obese, and appeared to be happy in their chosen career.

I'm a bit surprised, but more disappointed by a comment like this, ESPECIALLY when it comes from a middle-aged female lawyer. :confused:

rotorhead1026
10-09-2012, 09:18 AM
I'm a bit surprised, but more disappointed by a comment like this, ESPECIALLY when it comes from a middle-aged female lawyer.

I'm not. It's a positive. Note most of the cabin attendants I've flown with overseas (Asia) can be described similarly. They aren't "trophies", either - they're more competent than many of the "veteran" US flight attendants I've flown with. Their emergency training is more rigorous, and if they screw up recurrent they're often out on the street. Now I don't know the specific situation at Cebu, but all vagabond is doing is calling a spade a spade.

LNL76
10-09-2012, 10:14 AM
I'm not. It's a positive. Note most of the cabin attendants I've flown with overseas (Asia) can be described similarly. They aren't "trophies", either - they're more competent than many of the "veteran" US flight attendants I've flown with. Their emergency training is more rigorous, and if they screw up recurrent they're often out on the street. Now I don't know the specific situation at Cebu, but all vagabond is doing is calling a spade a spade.


Spade a spade? Ok....I feel Lufthansa pilots are head and shoulders above most of the U.S. pilots I've flown with. They're ALL in great physical shape, wear their uniform correctly and proudly---you NEVER see one without his hat, and their deep voices with their little German accents are soooo sexy. Also, you NEVER see one carrying a backpack, sporting spiky hair, sunglasses on top of his head or hanging from his epaulets OR listening to an i-pod. Just my opinion, of course, but hey, generalizations are a-ok.

P.S. - I also feel safer with them (just as YOU do with Asian FAs) since they have extensive LH training here in the States and there's no "zero to hero" shortcuts to a seat in the cockpit.

rotorhead1026
10-09-2012, 11:29 AM
Just my opinion, of course, but hey, generalizations are a-ok.

Overreactions are not. Neither is political correctness. Take a deep breath, relax, and have a drink. Lose the spiked hair-do and the backpack while you're at it.

LNL76
10-09-2012, 01:24 PM
Overreactions are not. Neither is political correctness. Take a deep breath, relax, and have a drink. Lose the spiked hair-do and the backpack while you're at it.

I don't overreact...just go toe-to-toe when someone else generalizes. I'm not politically correct. My breathing is fine, thanks. I AM relaxed---blood pressure is always perfect and don't drink very much. Let me know if you also think I need a Midol. I don't have a spiked hair-do or a backpack. Never have, never will. :)

rotorhead1026
10-09-2012, 03:05 PM
I don't overreact...just go toe-to-toe when someone else generalizes. I'm not politically correct. My breathing is fine, thanks. I AM relaxed---blood pressure is always perfect and don't drink very much. Let me know if you also think I need a Midol. I don't have a spiked hair-do or a backpack. Never have, never will. :)

Yes, you do overreact. Nobody said anything about Midol, or Lufthansa for that matter. You're putting words and attitudes in my mouth - or are you just generalizing?

Nothing wrong with accurate generalizations and assumptions. A young, well turned-out cabin attendant with a smiling demeanor, upbeat attitude, proper deportment, and good bearing is more likely to do a better job than the frumpy grumps (male and female) that I see stateside. No, that's not universally true, but it'll be accurate more often than not. These things matter.

Sorry, but your first post - where you tell a very accomplished "middle aged" (your own words) lady what she should say / think reeks of political correctness. I don't know what vagabond thinks of it. I found it offensive. She has done quite a bit for many denizens of this forum. Lay off her.

Lucky Pierre007
10-12-2012, 06:56 PM
Spade a spade? Ok....I feel Lufthansa pilots are head and shoulders above most of the U.S. pilots I've flown with. They're ALL in great physical shape, wear their uniform correctly and proudly---you NEVER see one without his hat, and their deep voices with their little German accents are soooo sexy. Also, you NEVER see one carrying a backpack, sporting spiky hair, sunglasses on top of his head or hanging from his epaulets OR listening to an i-pod. Just my opinion, of course, but hey, generalizations are a-ok.

P.S. - I also feel safer with them (just as YOU do with Asian FAs) since they have extensive LH training here in the States and there's no "zero to hero" shortcuts to a seat in the cockpit.
you come off as an idiot. you feel better flying LH because there's no zero to hero there? 250hrs in the right seat of a 320 seems like zero to hero to me. Would you take a 250hr 'no jet time wonder' over a '4000 hr with 3000 jet command time FO' if the captain was to have a heart attack on your flight? you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.

Lucky Pierre007
10-12-2012, 07:20 PM
And that board is rather dubious in some of the "facts" that are presented.:rolleyes:




As can any country. Try wandering into the wrong part of Detroit, Memphis, Miami, Tampa, New Orleans, (insert name of favorite city)etc, etc,etc....




Really? Care to share the links to these stories (other than a web board claim) ?



Religious civil war???? For the most part the Philippines are peaceful. If you are in the western part of Mindanao yes, it can be dangerous due to the Muslim population and Islamic extremist.

Been to Chicago lately?



Been to the USA lately??:rolleyes:



OK, no problem there. I can counter with "several of my last experiences with the USA made me think it just isn't safe anymore."


This thread is a perfect example of why I try to avoid web forums anymore as they are filled with sciolist who put out vagaries and misleading information on subjects in which most of their information is derived from yet another forum where another sciolist has done the same thing because he read another forum.......you get the point. :rolleyes:

Anyway, have fun folks, before this thread is over it will deteriorate into who knows what with the stories becoming more bizarre and inane.
Skymaster:

I'm not an ultra conservative, but to compare the bad neighborhoods of Chicago (which are terribly dangerous) to an open civil war zone is a bit of a stretch. American cities can be dangerous, but so can any major city anywhere in the world. A good example is Brazil. A wonderful country with some of the nicest, friendliest people I have ever met. However, in Rio many middle class people I met thought that Rio was similarly safe to many American cities; this is simply not the case. Most of those people in Rio had at some point been robbed at gun point. How many people have you met in any American city that have been robbed at gun point? Very few. The reality is that while the USA certainly has its faults, the violence in its major cities has certainly been falsely represented. The prevailing anti-American sentiment throughout the world (while understandable) leads to many half truths that are often perceived as fact.

The Dominican
10-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Most of those people in Rio had at some point been robbed at gun point. How many people have you met in any American city that have been robbed at gun point? Very few. The reality is that while the USA certainly has its faults, the violence in its major cities has certainly been falsely represented. The prevailing anti-American sentiment throughout the world (while understandable) leads to many half truths that are often perceived as fact.
Hum WHAT?:confused:

Yeah, I'm sure we have the largest inmate population of any western country and more people are murdered in the US than in both theaters of war combined because of a misrepresentation of the international media....:rolleyes:

SebastianDesoto
10-12-2012, 09:54 PM
Hum WHAT?:confused:

Yeah, I'm sure we have the largest inmate population of any western country and more people are murdered in the US than in both theaters of war combined because of a misrepresentation of the international media....:rolleyes:

+1

Most of this is due to a drug war.

By the way, the area of Phil that is being targeted is Western portion of Mindanao. It has ALWAYS been culturally different. The Muslim population is not part of the broad jihadist movement but an unfortunate ongoing seperatist movement that may never completely unified with the rest of Philippines. Their best hope is a sustained period of peace without interference of foreign powers (like Spain, USA, Japan or China).

Beautiful island. Can't wait to go back. Hopefully Cebu will get their maintenance in order and train better.