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03-06-2013, 11:37 PM
Just wondering for the guys who have been doing this a while...if your plane is equipped with cabin signs, do you use them and if so, what's your methodology?

03-07-2013, 03:40 PM
The Captains I fly with use the seatbelt sign like the airlines but no one really seems to care, just like the airlines. I'm not a big fan of using it since most clients that fly charter or corporate are smart enough to figure it out that its too bumpy to stand up. If I know it's going to be bad I'll go back ahead of time and give them a little heads up. It's just annoying to have that ding go on and off if people are trying to sleep.

I'm also curious how corporate flight departments use the cabin signs

The dude
03-07-2013, 09:31 PM
Most people who ride around on corporate jets are smart enough to know to sit down when it's bumpy and while taking off and landing. We use our fasten belts sign to alert our flight attendant that we're taking off and to prepare for landing. Most others I know do the same.

03-07-2013, 10:10 PM
I give the pax a chime when cleared for takeoff and also when decending out of FL180. This is just to give them heads up to ready for landing. But I also use it as a CYA when it gets bumpy, not that the pax pay attention.

Red Forman
03-08-2013, 05:11 AM
I use them, but I don't know why. We have a guy that won't even bring his chair up from the reclined position and fasten his seatbelt unless it is VERY bumpy all the way to touchdown.

03-08-2013, 05:19 AM
We use them, but mostly as a signal for the flight attendant and sterile cockpit. I'll still turn them on if I expect it will get bumpy just as a heads up to the passengers and FA, but nobody is going to yell at the pax if they get up to use the lav.

03-08-2013, 07:02 AM
Hey FlyrJsh that's a cool avatar pic.. Where was it taken?

You liking your current gig after the whole ACA/IDE experiment? And how long did it take you to upgrade at your current gig?

03-08-2013, 09:16 AM
Turn it on when cleared to taxi. Off passing 10k unless really bumpy. Back on descent through 10. A double bell when cleared to takeoff, and a double ding when cleared to land.

Not to hijack the thread, but how many of you will normally go back and check on the pax during the trip. I fly with one guy that will do it on a 30 minute leg, and another that won't do it on a 5 hour leg. We don't carry an attendant.

03-08-2013, 03:15 PM
I leave the sign on all the time from engine start to engine shutdown. Seems like the pax always disregard the sign and get up whenever they feel like it. This way I'm covered if they bump their head in turbulence. Of course I always make sure they are seated before takeoff or landing.
As far as checking on pax, for me, it varies. Depends on the impression I get of their demeanor(s) as they board, as well as the length of the trip and time of day.

03-08-2013, 06:50 PM
The real question is, how many people actually make the passengers/owners follow the signs?

03-08-2013, 07:21 PM
On- Cleared for takeoff
Off- when climb power set/ unless very bumpy
On- when on approach
Off- when clear of runway

On- anytime I suspect turbulence

I agree that corporate passengers are smarter than the average airline passenger.
They know that anytime the seat beat sign is on during cruise, they better be sitting down. Most of the time, my passengers are busy with their paperwork.

03-08-2013, 07:55 PM
The real question is, how many people actually make the passengers/owners follow the signs?

If it's bad enough that I tell our FA to sit down, then I would make sure that the passengers are seated as well. Otherwise, I consider them advisory in nature for our passengers, with the exception of below 10,000'.

That said, it's never been an issue for me. The pax are smart enough to stay seated.

As a side note, we turn the signs off during the night on international flights when the passengers are sleeping since they shine down on the beds in the back of the plane.

03-09-2013, 07:06 AM
I've been doing ON when cleared on the runway, OFF through ten, ON when cleared for approach.

I've usually got three or four on board, and can't check on them really during flight (single pilot). Good group though; our President likes to ride up front when alone.

03-27-2013, 08:21 PM
We leave ours on all the time, but we cycle it to "ding" them for takeoff and landing or when we expect turbulence.

03-28-2013, 12:46 PM
We leave ours on all the time, but we cycle it to "ding" them for takeoff and landing or when we expect turbulence.
Ditto with us.