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nightrider
05-21-2013, 07:01 PM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/repeal-or-change-railway-labor-act-put-stop-lenghty-negotiations/jMz3ckM7


80ktsClamp
05-21-2013, 07:13 PM
"lenghty"


Sigh....

Emb170man
05-21-2013, 07:56 PM
Yes there is a typo....it is to late to change it unfortunately....does not invalidate the virtue of the cause. Please take 2 minutes to sign and pass the word on.


Blackwing
05-21-2013, 08:17 PM
Signed and shared.

MrMustache
05-21-2013, 08:25 PM
So what is the plan once the goal is met? Does the originator of this know what can of worms this could open? I sure don't, thus no signature. Why potentially contribute to something that could back fire?

CRM114
05-21-2013, 09:00 PM
....does not invalidate the virtue of the cause.

What, exactly, is the virtue of the cause?

There are problems with the RLA, however, you want to replace with what? How well connected is this group in DC (who ever it is leading the charge) that you can be sure voiding the RLA will result in something better for labor?

From the petition site:

If a petition gets enough support, White House staff will review it, ensure itís sent to the appropriate policy experts, and issue an official response.

My guess is the policy experts will respond with a predictable history lesson about why wildcat strikes are bad for the national transportation infrastructure. In the meantime, maybe those storming the castle should watch Schoolhouse Rock and review how a Bill becomes a Law.

toomanyrjs
05-22-2013, 07:38 AM
Disregard this stupid petition. It's the brainchild of some clueless IBT fools. The same brain trust that thought cancelling their ASAP program was a good idea while having a hissy fit over the majestic leader of the parade of fools getting fired.

cornbeef007
05-22-2013, 03:25 PM
Disregard this stupid petition. It's the brainchild of some clueless IBT fools. The same brain trust that thought cancelling their ASAP program was a good idea while having a hissy fit over the majestic leader of the parade of fools getting fired.

Once again, you contribute absolutely nothing. You have never once made a valid argument. My guess is your real personality reflects your APC contributions to the T.

padre2992
05-25-2013, 10:59 AM
This is a bad idea.

On the surface, it seems as if it would provide us immediate and strong leverage negotiating with the company on our amendable date because of the ability to strike. This is a true statement. However, there are many negative aspects of the NLRA. Here are some of them:

A company can divide labor into "appropriate" groups. What this could mean for us, is a base by base contract. SLC would have a contract, Seattle would have a contract, and Los Angeles would have a contract. They may not have the same expiration date and duration. The ability to whipsaw one base against another would be easy and expected. Decertification, like Boeing did against the IAM in South Carolina, would weaken and divide us.

The NLRA also has an exclusionary supervisory provision, meaning those employees in a supervisory position, do not belong to the union. Chief Pilots, Administrative Pilots, even Captains might be excluded from the union. Again, it would weaken and divide us.

Additionally, the NLRA has a provision that protects a corporation's secondary activities. This is defined in a manner that limits or prohibits a union from interfering with legitimate business agreements of the corporation outside the scope of activities directly related to the union member's job. What this would likely mean to us is the elimination of both domestic and international codeshare protections, and joint venture limitations. Again, this severely weakens our bargaining strength.

Lastly, there are many states that have Right to Work laws. Agency Shop provisions would not be enforceable in several states. While I have heard the argument that the best way to get your union to pay attention is to stop contributing money to them, this is a weak argument. If we allow the 5% of our professional life we disagree on to ruin the 95% we agree on, its long term affect is division, and eventually failure.

In summary, the NLRA is a path we do not want to take. Its path leads to division, and a fracturing of our power under the RLA. Unions do not grow stronger because they take a separate path, peel off members, divide base against base, or allow discord on a small part of their professional life ruin the large part they agree on. Conversely, they do grow stronger when they include more members, protect the weaker, and work through the disagreements.

680crewchief
05-27-2013, 07:00 PM
To all the nay-sayers...go back to your management cubicle and continue to harass line pilots as to why there was a delay.

Let the rest of us that actually move the wheel try to bring some respectability and accountability back to the profession.

680crewchief
05-27-2013, 07:03 PM
So what is the plan once the goal is met? Does the originator of this know what can of worms this could open? I sure don't, thus no signature. Why potentially contribute to something that could back fire?

Baby steps, dude.

Can of worms? Open that baby up. Desperate times call for desperate measures. You think George Washington thought to himself, "Oh no, somebody might die during this revolution! We'd better not do it!"

Keep sitting on the sidelines, let the rest of us raise your bottom line.

toomanyrjs
06-04-2013, 07:07 AM
Well, only 98,000 short of the goal. Another spectacular failure. Maybe it's time for the IBT to "use all available resources" for another hookers and blow party in Vegas!

Emb170man
06-04-2013, 07:11 AM
This wasn't the ibt's doing. It was a grass roots effort by a couple of ****ed off IBT pilots.

Night Hawk 6
06-19-2013, 07:12 AM
Throwing the "baby out with the bath water" comes to mind , however the idea of changing the "system" is one that deserves serious consideration. The airline pilot profession is the living, breathing example of the old saying "learn from your history or you are doomed to relive it." The old Civil Aeronautics Board, CAB was the primary agency that enabled ALPA to have it's limited success prior to deregulation in 1978, but the CAB was eliminated with deregulation and ALPA has never adapted to that change, conducting business as it has since its creation in the 1930's. For example, ALPA still advocates for "pattern bargaining" even though the only successful pattern bargaining that has occurred since 1978 is that conducted by airline managers as they have successfully used this tactic to diminish our profession to bus driver status, my apologies to bus drivers. There are many things ALPA could have done, and still could do, but ALPA has been primarily focused on its own survival to the detriment of the profession. Ask your ALPA officials what ALPA is doing to effect a change with the RLA and you will get a blank stare. Airline managers have taken control of the entire process, especially with the aid of the NMB, causing negotiations to go on for years when it is to managements advantage. As long as the current system remains in place the airline pilot profession will continue to sink into the abyss, offering a career that is no longer respected nor adequately compensated to attract the best and the brightest.

CargoPirate
06-25-2013, 05:34 AM
Total waste of time. These petitions are B.S. The politicians could care less what we have to say. They only care about the lobbyists with the biggest donations.



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