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spuzzyair
06-17-2013, 04:18 AM
Announced today at the Paris Air Show, Skywest has entered into an agreement to purchase an additional 100 and be the launch customer of the Embraer 175 E2 Aircraft with an EIS of 2020.


https://twitter.com/ATWOnline/status/346594237078462464

PARIS: Embraer sounds battle cry with launch of new E-Jet (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-embraer-sounds-battle-cry-with-launch-of-new-e-jet-387169/)


MrMustache
06-17-2013, 04:44 AM
So whats that make? 300 Aircraft?!

Flitestar
06-17-2013, 04:52 AM
Nope... Embraer.


MrMustache
06-17-2013, 04:56 AM
Nope... Embraer.

What?
300 Embraer's
100 firm, 100 options and now these.

BHopper88
06-17-2013, 05:40 AM
Brings the total to 400 Ejets if all options are delivered.

BoilerUP
06-17-2013, 05:48 AM
That's a lotta large small jets.

BHopper88
06-17-2013, 06:08 AM
Orders on the books
-E175 100 orders plus 100 options (40 set for united ops - delivery 2014)
-MRJ90 100 orders plus 100 options (deliveries start in 2017)
-E175 E2 100 orders plus 100 options (deliveries start in 2020)

Current fleet of INC.

SkyWest
EMB120 - 42
CR2 - 159
CR7 - 96
CR9 - 28

Expressjet/ASA
CR2 - 106
CR7 - 28
CR9 - 41
E135 - 9
E145 - 242

I think we are seeing what the new "refleeting" of skywest and Expressjet will be flying....

spuzzyair
06-17-2013, 06:12 AM
Orders on the books
-E175 100 orders plus 100 options (40 set for united ops - delivery 2014)
-MRJ90 100 orders plus 100 options (deliveries start in 2017)
-E175 E2 100 orders plus 100 options (deliveries start in 2020)

Current fleet of INC.

SkyWest
EMB120 - 42
CR2 - 159
CR7 - 96
CR9 - 28

Expressjet/ASA
CR2 - 106
CR7 - 28
CR9 - 41
E135 - 9
E145 - 242

I think we are seeing what the new "refleeting" of skywest and Expressjet will be flying....


Were these 100 orders today not the 100 options initially declared when they ordered the original model?

BHopper88
06-17-2013, 06:17 AM
Were these 100 orders today not the 100 options initially declared when they ordered the original model?

Nope completely different order...

Embraer press release below:


SkyWest Inc. Orders 100 New E-Jets E2 from Embraer as a Launch Customer

Paris, France, June 17th, 2013 – Embraer S.A. (NYSE: ERJ; BM & FBOVESPA: EMBR3) and SkyWest Inc. (SkyWest) signed a firm order for 100 E175-E2 aircraft, with another 100 Purchase Rights, bringing the total potential of the order to 200 aircraft. The announcement was made today at a press conference at the 50th International Paris Air Show. If all the orders are exercised, the contract has an estimated value, at list price, of USD 9.36 billion.

This new contract is in addition to SkyWest’s previous order in May 2013 for up to 200 current generation E175 aircraft, and therefore the potential order of E-Jets at SkyWest may reach 400 aircraft.

“After concluding an agreement for up to two hundred orders for our current-generation E-Jets from SkyWest just last month, I’m more than glad that the company has made this decision to be the launch customer for the E175-E2,” said Paulo Cesar Silva, President and CEO, Embraer Commercial Aviation. “To have the world’s largest regional airline placing this E-Jets E2 order shows SkyWest's confidence in Embraer and its products. Our companies have a long history together and with this new contract, that partnership is going to continue well into the future.”

As the first operator to order the E175-E2, SkyWest becomes the launch customer for that aircraft, one of three E-Jets E2 models. SkyWest, of St. George, Utah, USA, is the largest regional airline group in the world. It is the parent company of SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet Airlines, both of which have been long time operators of Embraer aircraft. More than 40 EMB 120 Brasilia turboprops continue to fly in the SkyWest Airlines network, primarily in the western states. ExpressJet Airlines operates 249 aircraft from the ERJ 145 family and has the largest ERJ fleet in the world.

“The selection of the current E175 and the new E175-E2 is another phase of our fleet renewal strategy that will allow SkyWest to offer the best operating economics for its partners and the most comfortable experience for their passengers,” said Jerry Atkin, Chairman and CEO of SkyWest. “We’ve worked with Embraer for many years and our good experience with the EMBs and ERJs promises to continue with our new fleet of E-Jets.”

The E-Jets E2 represent Embraer’s commitment to continuously invest in the company’s line of commercial jets and maintain its leadership in the 70 to 130 seats market. The three new airplanes (E175-E2, E190-E2, E195-E2) carry the designator “E2” which signifies generational changes in technology that have been incorporated in the design. Each of the three aircraft has the versatility for a range of single class, multi-class or high-density seat capacities to suit operator requirements with new ‘look and feel’ and improved comfort levels.

State-of-the-art engines in combination with new aerodynamically advanced wings, full fly-by-wire flight controls, and advancements in other systems will result in double-digit improvements in fuel burn, maintenance costs, emissions and external noise.

The first delivery of an E-Jets E2 (the E190-E2) is planned for the first semester of 2018. The E195-E2 is slated to enter service in 2019 and the E175-E2 in 2020. Over 950 E-Jets have been delivered to date. Currently, 65 customers from 47 countries have added Embraer E-Jets to their fleets.

RJ Pilot
06-17-2013, 06:22 AM
Great News! Someone has to do all that new AMR flying!

contrails
06-17-2013, 06:30 AM
Were these 100 orders today not the 100 options initially declared when they ordered the original model?

You should know, you've declared yourself "in the know" several times.

Grinder10
06-17-2013, 07:05 AM
Great News! Someone has to do all that new AMR flying!

It would be really great news if American pilots flew their own planes on their own payscale and benefits. Or you can be excited about being payed regional wages and having to be the lowest bidder for flying every few years.

block30
06-17-2013, 07:26 AM
Announced today at the Paris Air Show, Skywest has entered into an agreement to purchase an additional 100 and be the launch customer of the Embraer 175 E2 Aircraft with an EIS of 2020.


https://twitter.com/ATWOnline/status/346594237078462464

PARIS: Embraer sounds battle cry with launch of new E-Jet (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-embraer-sounds-battle-cry-with-launch-of-new-e-jet-387169/)

Who the heck has the scope for these?! :confused:

iflythewest
06-17-2013, 07:31 AM
Who has scope for these? Alaska

fatsopilot
06-17-2013, 07:34 AM
Great News! Someone has to do all that new AMR flying!

This is great news? How old are you? Do you still plan on being at a Regional when these come online? Anyone that plans to have a lucrative career in this industry and does not want to move to the Middle East would not view this as good news.

RJ Pilot
06-17-2013, 07:42 AM
This is great news? How old are you? Do you still plan on being at a Regional when these come online? Anyone that plans to have a lucrative career in this industry and does not want to move to the Middle East would not view this as good news.

Im happy for the Skywest group. They really have it going for them.Im a regional lifer myself that plans on staying at my airline until the end.
I fly for L-Eagle. An airline that currently is shrinking, with no fleet plan thanks to ALPA.

fatsopilot
06-17-2013, 07:48 AM
Im happy for the Skywest group. They really have it going for them.Im a regional lifer myself that plans on staying at my airline until the end.
I fly for L-Eagle. An airline that currently is shrinking, with no fleet plan thanks to ALPA.

That is understandable, I can empathize with that. However for the masses, even for most Skywest pilots, I would think this is bad news as most would hope to have moved to greener pastures before these even come close to being on the line.

pete2800
06-17-2013, 08:17 AM
Who has scope for these? Alaska

That's not how Alaska operates. They're far too conservative for something like this. Alaska would order 4 airplanes with options for 2 more, then only exercise 1 option.

I'm not saying it's a good thing...

PinnacleFO
06-17-2013, 08:30 AM
I'm not saying this would be a good thing as I am one that believes all these e175s have all set us back again (the 900s we are getting did as well). But it seems that Skywest is giving bombardier the finger in the future. Does this mean that all the delta owned 700s that Skywest/Asa flies will come to endeavor in the future as their contract expires?

Nevets
06-17-2013, 08:41 AM
Who has scope for these? Alaska

That's not how Alaska operates. They're far too conservative for something like this. Alaska would order 4 airplanes with options for 2 more, then only exercise 1 option.

I'm not saying it's a good thing...

I don't know but the fact is that their scope allows it and it only takes one new CEO to "change" how they operate.

sidestep
06-17-2013, 08:49 AM
FozJared - you reading this!!!???

fatsopilot
06-17-2013, 08:55 AM
I don't know but the fact is that their scope allows it and it only takes one new CEO to "change" how they operate.

Alaska only operates 130 planes now, Alaska isn't going to grow by 100 planes. Are you saying in 2020 Alaska is going to be 30 737s and 100 ERJs?

Nevets
06-17-2013, 09:19 AM
I don't know but the fact is that their scope allows it and it only takes one new CEO to "change" how they operate.

Alaska only operates 130 planes now, Alaska isn't going to grow by 100 planes. Are you saying in 2020 Alaska is going to be 30 737s and 100 ERJs?

No, clearly that is not what I said. But who says all of the MRJs are slated to do flying for ALA? Point is, they can. That is all I'm saying.

SKYWCRJCA
06-17-2013, 10:12 AM
Skywest is monopolizing the supply chain of new 175s for a reason. It will be very hard in the future for competitors to get any 175s unless skywest wants or has to give up some of their options.

GAPILOT36
06-17-2013, 11:10 AM
WRONG! Republic owns the 175 market. And has for much longer of a time. BB at the drop of a hat could get more 175s than SKW any day.

TillerEnvy
06-17-2013, 11:11 AM
Skywest is monopolizing the supply chain of new 175s for a reason. It will be very hard in the future for competitors to get any 175s unless skywest wants or has to give up some of their options.

You serious? Bedford could get any 175's anytime he wants.

TallFlyer
06-17-2013, 11:34 AM
But if he can't get pilots what good will it do him?

Surprise
06-17-2013, 11:37 AM
WRONG! Republic owns the 175 market. And has for much longer of a time. BB at the drop of a hat could get more 175s than SKW any day.

This argument seems to be right up there with "my dad can beat up your dad". I'm sure that SKYW and RAH will both have a future in the E-Jet business.

By 2020, I think between DAL, UAL, AMR, and possibly Alaska and others, there will be plenty of scope concessions to allow at least 400 large RJs. Probably more. In fact, I think this is good news for ExpressJet, too, because I can't imagine every one of these airframes will be placed at SkyWest Airlines.

saturn
06-17-2013, 11:52 AM
Actually folks its 100 firm, 100 options again for the new E175-E2. Total order of up to 200 aircraft. So in summary, in last two months: 40 E175 firm, 60 E175 conditional to new RFP, 100 E175 options, 100 E175-E2 firm, 100 E175-E2 options. Thats 140 firm, 60 conditional, 200 options. Up to 400 total Ejets. Include the MRJ90 of last year, thats up to 600 total new aircraft.

SkyWest Inc Becomes Launch Customer for Embraer?s E-Jets E2 | Airports International | The Airport Industry online, the latest airport industry news (http://www.airportsinternational.com/2013/06/skywest-inc-becomes-launch-customer-for-embraers-ejets-e2/14051)

Aero1900
06-17-2013, 12:00 PM
I suppose that this massive EJet order from SkyW shows what they think scope will look like for the next bunch of years. SkyWest is a thoughtful company and I'm sure they thought long and hard about where scope is going to go.

The days of the CRJ are coming to an end and the EJets everywhere are coming. Wow

Nevets
06-17-2013, 12:40 PM
Actually folks its 100 firm, 100 options again for the new E175-E2. Total order of up to 200 aircraft. So in summary, in last two months: 40 E175 firm, 60 E175 conditional to new RFP, 100 E175 options, 100 E175-E2 firm, 100 E175-E2 options. Thats 140 firm, 60 conditional, 200 options. Up to 400 total Ejets. Include the MRJ90 of last year, thats up to 600 total new aircraft.

SkyWest Inc Becomes Launch Customer for Embraer?s E-Jets E2 | Airports International | The Airport Industry online, the latest airport industry news (http://www.airportsinternational.com/2013/06/skywest-inc-becomes-launch-customer-for-embraers-ejets-e2/14051)

Conditional? Where are you getting that term from? The Embrear/Skywest said 100 "firm" and 100 optional.

saturn
06-17-2013, 01:12 PM
Conditional? Where are you getting that term from? The Embrear/Skywest said 100 "firm" and 100 optional.


The conditional aircraft I'm referring to was announced in May this year, where SkyWest announced an RFP with United for 40 Ejets. That gave them 40 firm orders for the current generation E175. At that time as well they placed an order for 60 more "firmish" (conditional), with 100 more options. Those 60 are technically firm offers, but should SkyWest not be able to get a partner to fly those for they can pull out the offer. Read the first couple paragraphs in this arcticle.

http://www.sys-con.com/node/2667258

So to clarify, todays anouncement is a completely different order from the one in May in that arcticle, for a new series of the E175, the "E2". Its still 76 seats, but has upgraded wings, landing gear, avionics, fly-by-wire system, and a new P&W engines.

What
06-17-2013, 01:36 PM
Currently Delta and United allow close to 400 large RJs. Don't forget the United is just ramping up their 76 seat market while parking 50 seaters and the bulk of them are at SKW inc. Delta is adding the last 76 seaters, but by 202 a lot of the current 76 seaters will be close to 15 years old and all of these airplanes are replacements. Inc just bought airplanes that are likely to replace the 700+ it operates today.

Nevets
06-17-2013, 01:38 PM
Conditional? Where are you getting that term from? The Embrear/Skywest said 100 "firm" and 100 optional.


The conditional aircraft I'm referring to was announced in May this year, where SkyWest announced an RFP with United for 40 Ejets. That gave them 40 firm orders for the current generation E175. At that time as well they placed an order for 60 more "firmish" (conditional), with 100 more options. Those 60 are technically firm offers, but should SkyWest not be able to get a partner to fly those for they can pull out the offer. Read the first couple paragraphs in this arcticle.

Embraer and SkyWest Inc. Sign a Contract for 40 firm E-Jets | SYS-CON MEDIA (http://www.sys-con.com/node/2667258)

So to clarify, todays anouncement is a completely different order from the one in May in that arcticle, for a new series of the E175, the "E2". Its still 76 seats, but has upgraded wings, landing gear, avionics, fly-by-wire system, and a new P&W engines.

Ah I see now. I must have completely missed that. My bad. Carry on.

DashTrash
06-18-2013, 06:36 AM
This is good news for SkyWest, I guess? It's horrible news for all of us that want to get out of regional pilot purgatory and want a real job, where you are treated like an adult and earn adult-type compensation. What this tells me, is that SkyWest throwing a lot of capital out hoping that scope sections relax in the future and quotas for large regional jets increase rather than decrease. At least for DAL and UAL right now, there would not be a home for all of those 175s and MRJs under current scope language. I would hope that AA and Airways would not sell their soul to the devil and follow the lead provided by DAL and UAL. If these orders for SkyWest actually come to fruition, most of us will still be in regional pilot purgatory. Just my $.02...

450knotOffice
06-18-2013, 07:51 AM
Ding ding ding!! We have a winner!

You are wise.

gloopy
06-18-2013, 08:08 AM
I think AA/US won't at this point. That ship has sailed. This order is a fantasy order they will never, ever take full or possibly even partial delivery of. The only way is for a non scope airline like AS or JB or if (when) they get really desperate and try an IndyAir wanna be experiment and they will fail hard on that one. Their maniacal egos will drive them to try it anyway though. Rich people must play with airplanes no matter how much they will lose doing it.

Surprise
06-18-2013, 09:10 AM
I think AA/US won't at this point. That ship has sailed. This order is a fantasy order they will never, ever take full or possibly even partial delivery of. The only way is for a non scope airline like AS or JB or if (when) they get really desperate and try an IndyAir wanna be experiment and they will fail hard on that one. Their maniacal egos will drive them to try it anyway though. Rich people must play with airplanes no matter how much they will lose doing it.

Man, you sure have it in for Jerry Atkin.

ConnectionPilot
06-18-2013, 09:14 AM
I think AA/US won't at this point. That ship has sailed. This order is a fantasy order they will never, ever take full or possibly even partial delivery of. The only way is for a non scope airline like AS or JB or if (when) they get really desperate and try an IndyAir wanna be experiment and they will fail hard on that one. Their maniacal egos will drive them to try it anyway though. Rich people must play with airplanes no matter how much they will lose doing it.

Those rich people have been successful, hence why they are rich.

Mildred Pierce
06-18-2013, 09:15 AM
Man, you sure have it in for Jerry Atkin.

Agree. Is there a story here? Most of these planes are for replacement. I don't get the hardcore hatred towards SkyWest from Gloopy every time they are in the news. What are they supposed to do? Voluntarily go out of business in the hopes that all the flying goes back to mainline?

fatsopilot
06-18-2013, 09:41 AM
Agree. Is there a story here? Most of these planes are for replacement. I don't get the hardcore hatred towards SkyWest from Gloopy every time they are in the news. What are they supposed to do? Voluntarily go out of business in the hopes that all the flying goes back to mainline?

It is a threat to mainline jobs, that is probably why he gets all worked up. If they take delivery of all of the planes then stagnation at the Majors will continue for the next 20 years. A few of the majors will be left with nothing more than a few international routes (most of which will be flown by pilots not from US carriers) and coast to coast routes. Airline companies are positioning themselves to become nothing more than a ticketing agent.

Skywest is probably the best regional these planes could go to but can anyone imagine what the aviation landscape would look like if Skywest took delivery of hundreds of planes that hold over 100 people? Would you still want to be employed in this industry if that happens?

Mildred Pierce
06-18-2013, 09:54 AM
It is a threat to mainline jobs, that is probably why he gets all worked up. If they take delivery of all of the planes then stagnation at the Majors will continue for the next 20 years. A few of the majors will be left with nothing more than a few international routes (most of which will be flown by pilots not from US carriers) and coast to coast routes. Airline companies are positioning themselves to become nothing more than a ticketing agent.

Skywest is probably the best regional these planes could go to but can anyone imagine what the aviation landscape would look like if Skywest took delivery of hundreds of planes that hold over 100 people? Would you still want to be employed in this industry if that happens?

Agree on the issue of stagnation. Sucks for all. Hopefully there is no major that will allow any more than the 76 seaters they have already agreed to. Even that sucks too, but I doubt those will ever go back to mainline. At least in our lifetimes.

RgrMurdock
06-18-2013, 09:58 AM
I'm sure the possibility is being left open that these airplanes could be very large (100 seats) but that all depends on scope. The smallest variants of these airplanes that are configured for first class and economy plus would still be 76 seats and under current scope clause requirements unless I'm missing something. I believe the lesson here is to the major pilots. Look at all of these possibly 100+ seat airplanes on order. If scope is caved on again, this is what you're going to get at the regionals. Then say goodbye to small airbus and boeing aircraft.

saturn
06-18-2013, 10:03 AM
40 have homes with UA, 260 are still firm orders without them, and there is still 300 options out there. I doubt we really see 600 aircraft delivered. Most of these don't come out of the factory for quite some time anyway, probably coincidentally with CRJ/ERJ's coming off leases. Actually by the time most of these new 175-E2s come out in the early 2020's most of their CRJ7/9s will be pushing over 15 years old. I have heard from management that a specific partner wanted the MRJ, but not sure who. I really think SkyWest isn't going to grow much if at all, just either shrink and replace 50's with larger RJ's or just keep its current size of operation.

soon2bfo
06-18-2013, 10:10 AM
Positions can be sold. It may just be an investment with the idea to sell positions to other carriers anywhere in the world (Asia). Pretty easy way to hold something worth billions that may potentially be worth millions in profit with minimal capitol investment.

I know a bizjet guy who bought a position with Cessna at the NBAA on a new CJ3 and sold it to somebody 6 months later who wanted a better position at a profit of $300,000. Not bad for paying $100,000 for something that was only on paper.

gloopy
06-18-2013, 11:34 AM
Man, you sure have it in for Jerry Atkin.

Just another Howard Hughes wanna be egomaniac that's ridden the FFD gravy train to guaranteed piles of cash. The real world is vastly different, as he will find out. And he has it in for many tounsands of good jobs in this industry remaining after what its seen the last decade plus. Where exactly, even if he is successfuly, do you think all that capacity is going to come from? He's banking on leaching it from existing airlines to his. I hope he fails miserably. History is not on his side either.

Jet87
06-18-2013, 11:44 AM
Man, you sure have it in for Jerry Atkin.

Just another Howard Hughes wanna be egomaniac that's ridden the FFD gravy train to guaranteed piles of cash. The real world is vastly different, as he will find out. And he has it in for many tounsands of good jobs in this industry remaining after what its seen the last decade plus. Where exactly, even if he is successfuly, do you think all that capacity is going to come from? He's banking on leaching it from existing airlines to his. I hope he fails miserably. History is not on his side either.

Don't talk about my Uncle Jerry that way!! :mad:

TallFlyer
06-18-2013, 12:17 PM
Don't talk about my Uncle Jerry that way!! :mad:
Does that make you one of Jerry's kids? :D

soon2bfo
06-18-2013, 12:22 PM
Just another Howard Hughes wanna be egomaniac that's ridden the FFD gravy train to guaranteed piles of cash. The real world is vastly different, as he will find out. And he has it in for many tounsands of good jobs in this industry remaining after what its seen the last decade plus. Where exactly, even if he is successfuly, do you think all that capacity is going to come from? He's banking on leaching it from existing airlines to his. I hope he fails miserably. History is not on his side either.

I don't think it will be a capacity increase. I think the aircraft will be spread about 2 (formerly 3) airlines sometimes 2/1 50-seaters and 1/1 CRJ900/700. I also think that some of the positions will be sold to foreign markets.

Surprise
06-18-2013, 12:41 PM
Just another Howard Hughes wanna be egomaniac that's ridden the FFD gravy train to guaranteed piles of cash. The real world is vastly different, as he will find out. And he has it in for many tounsands of good jobs in this industry remaining after what its seen the last decade plus. Where exactly, even if he is successfuly, do you think all that capacity is going to come from? He's banking on leaching it from existing airlines to his. I hope he fails miserably. History is not on his side either.

I'm just wondering if there isn't some back story here. It really does seem that every time SkyWest is in the news you're right here with this same line about Jerry's ego and that our company is doomed to the same fate as ACA. What leads you to believe that SkyWest wants to sell its own tickets again?

Meanwhile, there is another regional airline called Republic that is helmed by somebody who probably is a Howard Hughes wanna be (not that there's anything wrong with that), and they don't seem to garner the same level of hatred. Republic, after all, actually did buy two "mainline" carriers and even, in a way, operates Airbuses today.

Did SkyWest not give you a job back in the day or something? Or did Jerry steal your high school girlfriend? I think we all want major airlines to do as much of their own flying as possible, but I just don't understand why you so badly want SkyWest, specifically, to fail.

Mildred Pierce
06-18-2013, 12:48 PM
Did SkyWest not give you a job back in the day or something? Or did Jerry steal your high school girlfriend? I think we all want major airlines to do as much of their own flying as possible, but I just don't understand why you so badly want SkyWest, specifically, to fail.[/QUOTE]

This! I have noticed he never posts these same type of rants towards Republic or a few others that are far more deserving of scorn.

LarryDavid
06-18-2013, 02:06 PM
This is probably the nail in the coffin for Bombardier unless that C-Series gets going. The 200 is a pure garbage airplane and every knows it. The 700/900 are ok but 175s are a much nicer product. Having to gate check bags gets very old. I forsee lots of flights to Victorville in SkyWests future.

TallFlyer
06-18-2013, 02:24 PM
This is probably the nail in the coffin for Bombardier unless that C-Series gets going. The 200 is a pure garbage airplane and every knows it. The 700/900 are ok but 175s are a much nicer product. Having to gate check bags gets very old. I forsee lots of flights to Victorville in SkyWests future.
Well, given the size of the C Series I hope they're never a SKW.

Paid2fly
06-18-2013, 11:34 PM
Well, given the size of the C Series I hope they're never a SKW.









Apparently they didn't offer you the job?:rolleyes:

gloopy
06-19-2013, 03:46 AM
I'm just wondering if there isn't some back story here. It really does seem that every time SkyWest is in the news you're right here with this same line about Jerry's ego and that our company is doomed to the same fate as ACA. What leads you to believe that SkyWest wants to sell its own tickets again?

Meanwhile, there is another regional airline called Republic that is helmed by somebody who probably is a Howard Hughes wanna be (not that there's anything wrong with that), and they don't seem to garner the same level of hatred. Republic, after all, actually did buy two "mainline" carriers and even, in a way, operates Airbuses today.

Did SkyWest not give you a job back in the day or something? Or did Jerry steal your high school girlfriend? I think we all want major airlines to do as much of their own flying as possible, but I just don't understand why you so badly want SkyWest, specifically, to fail.

Never desired to work for SKyWest. Ever. That said, they used to be one of the better run regionals. I guess that's still true, although its hard to tell when they own almost every other regional (slight exaggeration).

And "Howard Hughes wanna be" may be an insult but its at least a thinly veiled insult. HH was at least cool to some degree. I don't know of anyone that says BB is cool. Many do say he reminds them of a cucumber, however. YMMV.

I think SKYW is a much bigger threat to go IndyAir II not only due to JA's ego, but also by the time they go live they'll be sitting on the better part of a billion in cash from the no talent legacy FFD gravy train. They will have far more "marketshare" wrapped up in staggered contracts that will force legacy airlines to fund their "core business" while they flail around playing Airport Tycoon with 120 seat E2's or whatever they end up playing with. RAH has a lot of similarities, but SKYW is simply way bigger in scale and will be a much more damaging competitor. They will bleed legacy airlines many billions before they whiz through their one.

They will fail, but they will hurt the legacy airlines far more than RAH before they do.

TallFlyer
06-19-2013, 04:02 AM
Apparently they didn't offer you the job?:rolleyes:
Well, the smallest C Series variant is 110 seats. Do you want to see that at a regional?

XJT Pilot
06-19-2013, 04:17 AM
Never desired to work for SKyWest. Ever. That said, they used to be one of the better run regionals. I guess that's still true, although its hard to tell when they own almost every other regional (slight exaggeration).

And "Howard Hughes wanna be" may be an insult but its at least a thinly veiled insult. HH was at least cool to some degree. I don't know of anyone that says BB is cool. Many do say he reminds them of a cucumber, however. YMMV.

I think SKYW is a much bigger threat to go IndyAir II not only due to JA's ego, but also by the time they go live they'll be sitting on the better part of a billion in cash from the no talent legacy FFD gravy train. They will have far more "marketshare" wrapped up in staggered contracts that will force legacy airlines to fund their "core business" while they flail around playing Airport Tycoon with 120 seat E2's or whatever they end up playing with. RAH has a lot of similarities, but SKYW is simply way bigger in scale and will be a much more damaging competitor. They will bleed legacy airlines many billions before they whiz through their one.

They will fail, but they will hurt the legacy airlines far more than RAH before they do.

You absolutely know nothing about how businesses make money. Stay with flying the plane and collecting a pay check its your only hope in feeding your family.

gloopy
06-19-2013, 11:02 AM
You absolutely know nothing about how businesses make money. Stay with flying the plane and collecting a pay check its your only hope in feeding your family.

Yeah my bad. ACA totally almost made it. Ditto for Expressjet. And RAH is dominating the domestic scene right now with mad profits on their branded flying. And don't forget, Comair *almost* bought Spirit. Or was it TWA? Your seniority list will seamlessly transfer to 120 seat jets and then an awesome magical widebody order one day. All the legacy flying are belong to Skywest.

cosmosdrvr
06-19-2013, 01:28 PM
Just another self righteous DL troll.

Management giving to much of your flying away. It is yours after all. Right? Not to be flown for profit as designated by Delta. I wish we could all be as wise as you.

Its ok gloopy you still can be a p&@%@k on the hotel shuttle.

By the way I was at ACA until the last day. Zero chance SKW tries that. We are making way to much off of our partners.

gloopy
06-19-2013, 03:13 PM
They are, but things are about to change. They have a very significant cost reset coming up from DL, and the legacy airlines they feed off of are already getting concerned about their marketshare and pricing clout. Fortunately for the managers at legacy airlines, they can simply create a zero longevity phantom airline or three out of dust and rapidly transfer lift to them. SKYW is in a shrinking sector over all, but is fairly well positioned to take advantage of one final growth spurt as AA/UAL rationalize their feed with their peers. Then that's it. The only sources of not only growth but preserving what they have at that point will be the scopeless airlines like AS and JB or going IndyAir. They will try it one day. And they will not succeed. But they will probably bleed many billions from the legacy airlines before they bleed out their one.

SkyW will try and transfer more mainline legacy flying to their shiny new barbie jets regardless of the jobs lost or the negative pressure on existing labor. They would love to get the 100-120 seaters at their "regional". I wish them nothing but the worst if and when they attempt to do that.

cosmosdrvr
06-19-2013, 03:38 PM
Wa Wa Wa. Its all the regionals fault.. ..............Whiner

Your career is more important than mine..........Nope


You fly a real airliner, I fly a Barbie jet................Ego

SkyWest is a sinking ship. ................................That makes money for the shareholders, and has never furloughed.

Mainline is taking the flying back........................Nope, more profitable the way it is now. Thanks for the input though.

We will be just fine. I give you a ride home one day in my Delta Connection Airbus

MatchPoint
06-19-2013, 04:36 PM
Never desired to work for SkyWest. Ever. That said, they used to be one of the better run regionals. I guess that's still true, although its hard to tell when they own almost every other regional (slight exaggeration).

And "Howard Hughes wanna be" may be an insult but its at least a thinly veiled insult. HH was at least cool to some degree. I don't know of anyone that says BB is cool. Many do say he reminds them of a cucumber, however. YMMV.

I think SKYW is a much bigger threat to go IndyAir II not only due to JA's ego, but also by the time they go live they'll be sitting on the better part of a billion in cash from the no talent legacy FFD gravy train. They will have far more "marketshare" wrapped up in staggered contracts that will force legacy airlines to fund their "core business" while they flail around playing Airport Tycoon with 120 seat E2's or whatever they end up playing with. RAH has a lot of similarities, but SKYW is simply way bigger in scale and will be a much more damaging competitor. They will bleed legacy airlines many billions before they whiz through their one.

They will fail, but they will hurt the legacy airlines far more than RAH before they do.
Every time you make a statement about SkyWest becoming the next IndyAir you show your ignorance.

SkyWest Inc. (Jerry as you say) will NEVER go “Stand Alone” in direct competition with our FFD partners. They understand they’re niche better than anyone else, that’s why they never made a move on Midwest or Frontier when they had the chance. The kind of at-risk flying SkyWest is pursuing and will always pursue is a true codeshare with our mainline partners. And our mainline partners love SkyWest willingness and ability to partner up and share more of the risk. This approach actually saves our partners millions, limits their losses and provides more efficient feed from a mainline standpoint. This is evident since our partnerships are increasing as well as our codeshare at-risk flying. BTW, SkyWest Airlines has been very profitable in doing so.

You also speak of Jerry’s ego but unlike Bryan “The Rev” Bedford who’s ego lead him to not only purchase Frontier and Midwest (shady to say the least) but also appear on TV in “Undercover Boss” and who addresses his minions frequently using biblical quotes. Jerry has never done any of the above and has never put himself out there. Yes he’s purchased a couple regionals and has done very well running them but he’s truly a very quiet / non-flashy guy. Other airlines have done the same but left carnage in their wake. i.e. Pinnacle (Mesaba and Colgan), RAH (Frontier, Midwest, Lynx, Mokulele) and Mesa (Freedom and Air Midwest) plus many more. Oh and Jerry’s a damn saint compared to Ornstein who’s a convicted business criminal, started Freedom A and shut them down along with Air Midwest. I won’t even get into his hotel or the Hawaiian:Aloha:Go! Debacles. Then there’s Hulas and GoJet. The list goes on and on but you say Jerry’s the one with the HH ego…………… amazing.

You, more than anyone else I have ever come across, have absolutely no clue how this industry works or how SkyWest Inc’s (Jerry and friends) positioning themselves for the future. Do yourself a favor and exit stage left.

Slats
06-19-2013, 04:40 PM
Every time you make a statement about SkyWest becoming the next IndyAir you show your ignorance.

SkyWest Inc. (Jerry as you say) will NEVER go “Stand Alone” in direct competition with our FFD partners. They understand they’re niche better than anyone else, that’s why they never made a move on Midwest or Frontier when they had the chance. The kind of at-risk flying SkyWest is pursuing and will always pursue is a true codeshare with our mainline partners. And our mainline partners love SkyWest willingness and ability to partner up and share more of the risk. This approach actually saves our partners millions, limits their losses and provides more efficient feed from a mainline standpoint. This is evident since our partnerships are increasing as well as our codeshare at-risk flying. BTW, SkyWest Airlines has been very profitable in doing so.

You also speak of Jerry’s ego but unlike Bryan “The Rev” Bedford who’s ego lead him to not only purchase Frontier and Midwest (shady to say the least) but also appear on TV in “Undercover Boss” and who addresses his minions frequently using biblical quotes. Jerry has never done any of the above and has never put himself out there. Yes he’s purchased a couple regionals and has done very well running them but he’s truly a very quiet / non-flashy guy. Other airlines have done the same but left carnage in their wake. i.e. Pinnacle (Mesaba and Colgan), RAH (Frontier, Midwest, Lynx, Mokulele) and Mesa (Freedom and Air Midwest) plus many more. Oh and Jerry’s a damn saint compared to Ornstein who’s a convicted business criminal, started Freedom A and shut them down along with Air Midwest. I won’t even get into his hotel or the Hawaiian:Aloha:Go! Debacles. Then there’s Hulas and GoJet. The list goes on and on but you say Jerry’s the one with the HH ego…………… amazing.

You, more than anyone else I have ever come across, have absolutely no clue how this industry works or how SkyWest Inc’s (Jerry and friends) positioning themselves for the future. Do yourself a favor and exit stage left.


And as they say.. "Boom, goes the dynamite"

MatchPoint
06-19-2013, 04:50 PM
Wa Wa Wa. Its all the regionals fault.. ..............Whiner

Your career is more important than mine..........Nope


You fly a real airliner, I fly a Barbie jet................Ego

SkyWest is a sinking ship. ................................That makes money for the shareholders, and has never furloughed.

Mainline is taking the flying back........................Nope, more profitable the way it is now. Thanks for the input though.

We will be just fine. I give you a ride home one day in my Delta Connection Airbus
Easy my friend. Delta, AA and UA will never farm out Airbuses or Airbus type aircraft. The regionals have a higher CASM than mainline which is why Delta’s decreased their feed by around 40% over the last 5 years and UA’s new contract cuts their feed by 25%ish.

cosmosdrvr
06-19-2013, 10:24 PM
I know. Just bustin troll chops.

MatchPoint
06-20-2013, 06:40 AM
I know. Just bustin troll chops.

I figured as much. My sarcasm radar's a little rusty these days. lol

gloopy
06-20-2013, 08:17 AM
I give you a ride home one day in my Delta Connection Airbus

I believe you believe that. Comair almost bought Spirit too, and ACA totally coulda been a contender.

The industry is cyclical enough, but you are in an extremely vulnerable sector now. If your career trajectory maps out DCI Airbuses, I suggest you work on your alternate.

gloopy
06-20-2013, 08:25 AM
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Not going anywhere. Thanks though.

FWIW I agree with your JA vs BB/JO comparison. I still think SKYW will go IndyAir, probably in the next 5-7 years, maybe less, but we'll see. Be it from ego or their hand being forced, it will happen because it has to happen. When the lines of a shrinking sector and never ending low bid contracts meet and they're out of regionals to buy and more zero longevity ones are popping up (and the ones remaining are agressively dealing their managements an ace to win the next RFP...for existing flying) SKYW will be faced with shrinking into higher costs or doing something bold. I predict they will do something bold. And they will do so thinking they have the same "Midas touch" in the real airline world that they've had in the fake RFP ACMI provider world.

After this AA/US large RJ growth spurt plays out, there's nothing left and the sector will still be shrinking. The only way out is significant scope relief for ever larger planes (don't count on it) or infesting the scopeless airlines (AS/JB/VX/etc) with them but even that is opportunity limited even if it does come to fruition. Hopefully we can all agree that it doesn't come to that anyway.

Bucking Bar
06-20-2013, 08:27 AM
...unlike Bryan “The Rev” Bedford who’s ego lead him to not only purchase Frontier and Midwest (shady to say the least) but also appear on TV in “Undercover Boss” and who addresses his minions frequently using biblical quotes.
You mean Leviticus 26:29?

Genesis 19:8?

Bible quotes can be pretty hard on the Children.

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Jerry Atkin is IMHO one of the smartest guys in the business and motivated. I think SkyWest will do very well.

gloopy
06-20-2013, 08:29 AM
And as they say.. "Boom, goes the dynamite"

That's some pretty weak dynamite then. And I agreed with his juxtaposition WRT BB and JO anyway, which had the most potential energy in his post in the first place.

cosmosdrvr
06-20-2013, 09:26 AM
Sarcasm dude, I mean gloop. A cutting remark, or taunt commonly interpreted as ironic. I understand there is no airbus in my future @ SKW

I appreciate your concern for the vulnerability of my sector.

Slats
06-20-2013, 12:03 PM
That's some pretty weak dynamite then. And I agreed with his juxtaposition WRT BB and JO anyway, which had the most potential energy in his post in the first place.

Oh gloopy... What's with the name Gloopy anyway? Do you have a reoccurring drip somewhere? I am sure it can be fixed with antibiotics and some SKW juice.

gloopy
06-20-2013, 06:39 PM
Oh gloopy... What's with the name Gloopy anyway? Do you have a reoccurring drip somewhere? I am sure it can be fixed with antibiotics and some SKW juice.

Can I get some of those oatmeal cookies y'all used to have while I wait in line at the free clinic?

Srsly what happened to those anyway?