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Granola
07-09-2015, 10:24 AM
I too emailed HR to confirm. They simply replied with 20-26 even though the events list only has the job fare on Wed. I heard they would not be there on Sun though.


ForeverJunior
07-15-2015, 07:40 PM
From the play lot website today...

"Upcoming Pilot Recruitment Events

Oshkosh July 20-26 and OBAP August 12-14

Our pilot recruitment team has a couple of recruiting events coming up. If you know of pilot`s interested in joining our team please pass these along. EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh, WI, July 20-26 and the OBAP Annual National Convention in Washington, DC, August 12-14. By the way, casual attire is recommended for Oshkosh, please pass that along."

gooddeal
07-16-2015, 03:14 PM
With Delta not exercising options on 40 737-900s there just may be an increase to projected hiring numbers for 2016...can't imagine Alaska will not be offered a few.


alphasierra01
07-16-2015, 08:16 PM
From the play lot website today...

"Upcoming Pilot Recruitment Events

Oshkosh July 20-26 and OBAP August 12-14

Our pilot recruitment team has a couple of recruiting events coming up. If you know of pilot`s interested in joining our team please pass these along. EAA AirVenture in Oshkosh, WI, July 20-26 and the OBAP Annual National Convention in Washington, DC, August 12-14. By the way, casual attire is recommended for Oshkosh, please pass that along."I've heard most of their new hires have 7000 hours average. What's competitive these days?

Chris Knight
07-17-2015, 07:56 AM
Hooveb



Yes, You will just take all the text from your "pretty" resume and paste it into the online application process. Don't worry that it doesn't look "pretty," AS is aware of what they want and need. Good Luck


Beware of the cut and paste, I have a friend who copied his resume that was titled to United Airlines. He corrected it, but after submitting, it defaulted back to United. Can't change it after submission..

Chris Knight
07-17-2015, 08:32 AM
I've heard most of their new hires have 7000 hours average. What's competitive these days?

I know a guy just hired with a little under 7000.

F15Cricket
07-17-2015, 09:45 AM
I've heard most of their new hires have 7000 hours average. What's competitive these days?

I had 3800 but it was al ost all fighter time. I know they are looking for 3000 total, 1000 PIC to be competitive.

wankel7
07-17-2015, 10:07 AM
I too emailed HR to confirm. They simply replied with 20-26 even though the events list only has the job fare on Wed. I heard they would not be there on Sun though.

Yes. That is curious. I moved a lot of things around and burned some favors to make it on the EAA scheduled career fair date / time on Wednesday. Now it seems I can say hello at any time during EAA.

ForeverJunior
07-17-2015, 10:43 AM
Beware of the cut and paste, I have a friend who copied his resume that was titled to United Airlines. He corrected it, but after submitting, it defaulted back to United. Can't change it after submission..

Oh, I know who that is. Super guy, but a terrible mistake...

2loud
07-17-2015, 03:57 PM
I had 3800 but it was al ost all fighter time. I know they are looking for 3000 total, 1000 PIC to be competitive.

Mostly in Eagles or you have some AETC time?

F15Cricket
07-17-2015, 09:26 PM
Mostly in Eagles or you have some AETC time?

Other than UPT, it was all in the Mighty Eagle (single-seat version)!

Chris Knight
07-18-2015, 07:24 AM
Obviously money is a concern as it will certainly be a pay cut for day 1. Good to hear that you can do OK on reserve. Quality of life is also an important consideration as my kids are pretty young. I may or may not have a choice of bases when I eventually go to class, but I at least want to be well educated as far as what to expect. Currently living in ANC, but our family would like to get to SEA area at some point in the future. Kind of weighing wether we would be better off to just make the jump to SEA now and avoid having to get a place to stay during training, or if we would be better off bidding ANC and getting off reserve quicker.

When do you start class?

etflies
07-19-2015, 05:42 PM
Yes. That is curious. I moved a lot of things around and burned some favors to make it on the EAA scheduled career fair date / time on Wednesday. Now it seems I can say hello at any time during EAA.

I was curious about this too as I can make it if they're going to be there other days but not if the 22nd will be the only opportunity, unfortunately.

SVA402
07-20-2015, 07:48 AM
I was curious about this too as I can make it if they're going to be there other days but not if the 22nd will be the only opportunity, unfortunately.

They're going to be there all week according to an internal memo.

etflies
07-20-2015, 08:33 AM
They're going to be there all week according to an internal memo.
Excellent, thanks very much!

Rot8
07-22-2015, 02:38 AM
When do you start class?

Sounds like the training department running at max capacity. I was told to expect December, possibly even early 2016.

EskimoJoe
07-22-2015, 06:39 AM
Sounds like the training department running at max capacity. I was told to expect December, possibly even early 2016.

Wow! That's a long wait. I wonder how many people Alaska is going to lose to other carriers waiting that long. I've heard it's already a problem.

Hopefully they move that date up.

frozenboxhauler
07-22-2015, 12:21 PM
Does Alaska still offer a B plan? Thank you.
fbh

Thrill
07-22-2015, 12:24 PM
Company paid 13.5% of gross, minus profit sharing.

CenterlinePrep
07-22-2015, 12:51 PM
We still have clients who interviewed in April/May awaiting class dates. Last we heard they were told around September for a class date. I know one client has taken a position with another carrier during the wait, but unsure about others.

Centerline Interview Consulting

CassinAK
07-22-2015, 09:18 PM
Word is the window will open again in the fall. Classes will continue at 2 per month with 250 newhires planned for this year and next.

OrionDriver
07-25-2015, 01:06 PM
Anyone get any love from Alaska at Oshkosh?

roscoe329
07-25-2015, 07:41 PM
Got a chance to meet with many folks from Alaska at Oshkosh earlier this week. Left feeling good at the end of the day.
Is there a way to get a copy or some basics on the Alaska pilot contract besides just per hour? Wanting to get a real sense of what you can make over there.

Cruz5350
07-25-2015, 10:34 PM
No love for me from the CP I met. I need more TT and TPIC so for now it's time to hustle hours.

Chris Knight
07-26-2015, 08:46 AM
Got a chance to meet with many folks from Alaska at Oshkosh earlier this week. Left feeling good at the end of the day.
Is there a way to get a copy or some basics on the Alaska pilot contract besides just per hour? Wanting to get a real sense of what you can make over there.

It's a decent contract, ALPA contract was signed 2013.

Full cancellation pay, full deadhead pay. Deadheads exceeding 5 hours require first class. Wifi paid for when Deadheading. Crew meals provided.
2:1 Duty rig, (1.75:1 when working back side of the clock)
3.5:1 Trip rig
5 hour min day
Per Diem $2.15/hr
Int'l override pay (including ETOPS to Hawaii) $5 for CA, $4 for FO.
Block or better pay on a leg by leg basis.
Traditional line bidding, vacation trip touching applies (but you do have to pick up to guarantee)
Monthly guarantee of 75 hours for line/long call, 79 for short call. This guarantee can be "flexed" up to a max of 3 hours in a month, for a max of 15 hours a year at the company's discretion.
Vacation starts at 15 days (prorated based on hire date)
13.5% contribution to 401K, no match required (pension for those hired prior to 2010)
Several different medical PPO plans, dental and vision as well, and company contributes to an HSA.
Bonus performance pay of 5% when certain goals are met.
Open time pickup is (I believe) mostly straight pay, but some of it is at 1.5 credit.
Day room provided for sits exceeding four hours.
20% discount on ALK stock.
Priority status if you designate a commuting city. Otherwise, a move will be paid for you if displaced from your domicile.
Presently no uniform bank and housing is not provided during training. 85 hours per month credit during new hire training, no per diem.
Upgrade presently is at about 8-9 years, with a projection for it to drop to 4-5 years for new hires.
2 737-900ERs were delivered last week, six more this year. 72 more ERs, MAX-8's and 9's in the upcoming years, with options for another 42 after that. Some of the older -400s (there are about 25 left) are being incrementally retired.
I've heard of a decent number of pilots who plan to retire when their pension maxes out at 30 years of service (as in, they are not waiting for age 65), but age 65 attrition is also coming.

I may be a bit off with some of this info, but it's a quick breakdown.
Keep working on it, it's a great place to be.

Chris Knight
07-26-2015, 08:50 AM
No love for me from the CP I met. I need more TT and TPIC so for now it's time to hustle hours.

Are you already in the left seat? Yeah just crank that PIC out! I believe 500-700 PIC is a trigger (or decent minimum) for them. Got your 4 year?

Cruz5350
07-26-2015, 09:31 AM
Are you already in the left seat? Yeah just crank that PIC out! I believe 500-700 PIC is a trigger (or decent minimum) for them. Got your 4 year?

Have the 4yr but still about 10-12 months out from upgrade. My TT is low (2700 TT) so I wasn't really surprised when he told me what I needed to do. I agree with the PIC trigger he said about 700 PIC and he liked to see 4000-4500 total time. I was actually a little shocked when he said not to go to the training department, but it made sense I need hours more than anything else. Overall good experience and reinforces the need to get the hours asap.

Chris Knight
07-26-2015, 09:34 AM
Have the 4yr but still about 10-12 months out from upgrade. My TT is low (2700 TT) so I wasn't really surprised when he told me what I needed to do. I agree with the PIC trigger he said about 700 PIC and he liked to see 4000-4500 total time. I was actually a little shocked when he said not to go to the training department, but it made sense I need hours more than anything else. Overall good experience and reinforces the need to get the hours asap.

Sounds like you will have about 3400 or so when you upgrade.. plus another year to get at least 6-700 to put you roughly at 4100TT. Yes just keep flying, and of course take upgrade as soon as possible. As for the training department, I would only pursue LCA, as you will keep flying a lot (at least as an OE instructor). I bet you could get hired prior to that point though.

Cruz5350
07-26-2015, 10:27 AM
Sounds like you will have about 3400 or so when you upgrade.. plus another year to get at least 6-700 to put you roughly at 4100TT. Yes just keep flying, and of course take upgrade as soon as possible. As for the training department, I would only pursue LCA, as you will keep flying a lot (at least as an OE instructor). I bet you could get hired prior to that point though.

I was thinking about the same as far as times. I miss the Alaska ops a lot my time at Horizon was the best I've ever had and hopefully I can get back to it on the mainline side of the house. The PAC NW conference isn't too far off so hopefully I can make it up there and de everyone again.

Chris Knight
07-26-2015, 10:44 AM
I was thinking about the same as far as times. I miss the Alaska ops a lot my time at Horizon was the best I've ever had and hopefully I can get back to it on the mainline side of the house. The PAC NW conference isn't too far off so hopefully I can make it up there and de everyone again.

That's good to hear, something to aim for. Great company, worth the pursuit. You never know, demand could change and the PIC requirement won't matter anymore.

OrionDriver
07-26-2015, 11:01 AM
It's a decent contract, ALPA contract was signed 2013.

Full cancellation pay, full deadhead pay. Deadheads exceeding 5 hours require first class. Wifi paid for when Deadheading. Crew meals provided.
2:1 Duty rig, (1.75:1 when working back side of the clock)
3.5:1 Trip rig
5 hour min day
Per Diem $2.15/hr
Int'l override pay (including ETOPS to Hawaii) $5 for CA, $4 for FO.
Block or better pay on a leg by leg basis.
Traditional line bidding, vacation trip touching applies (but you do have to pick up to guarantee)
Monthly guarantee of 75 hours for line/long call, 79 for short call. This guarantee can be "flexed" up to a max of 3 hours in a month, for a max of 15 hours a year at the company's discretion.
Vacation starts at 15 days (prorated based on hire date)


This is great info - thank you for summarizing it for us. As a non-airline guy (at the moment), I have a few questions:

- What is a Duty Rig and What is a trip rig? What do the ratios mean?
- How does leave work/how is it bid for new guys?

Thanks!

jetracer5
07-26-2015, 11:08 AM
That's good to hear, something to aim for. Great company, worth the pursuit. You never know, demand could change and the PIC requirement won't matter anymore.

There is no PIC requirement. TONS of new hires with little or no PIC

Cruz5350
07-26-2015, 11:11 AM
There is no PIC requirement. TONS of new hires with little or no PIC

I bet they had some decent Total Time then because the CP I just talked to made it sound like he really liked to see PIC.

Chris Knight
07-26-2015, 11:14 AM
There is no PIC requirement. TONS of new hires with little or no PIC

This is true, no explicit PIC requirement. A friend of mine just spoke with the system CP, he told him 500-700 PIC is competitive, but that can change.

CassinAK
07-26-2015, 11:42 AM
This is great info - thank you for summarizing it for us. As a non-airline guy (at the moment), I have a few questions:



- What is a Duty Rig and What is a trip rig? What do the ratios mean?

- How does leave work/how is it bid for new guys?



Thanks!


Duty rig of 1/2 = 1 hour of pay for 2 hours duty.

Trip rig of 1/3.5 = 1 hour pay for every 3.5 hours away from base(trip time).

You bid for vacation in the fall for the next year and its all based on seniority. You start with 15 days vacation and it goes up with company longevity.

roscoe329
07-26-2015, 02:11 PM
Thanks guys for the info.

TallFlyer
07-26-2015, 02:39 PM
Duty rig of 1/2 = 1 hour of pay for 2 hours duty.

Trip rig of 1/3.5 = 1 hour pay for every 3.5 hours away from base(trip time).

To clarify rigs further, you're paid the GREATER of block time, duty rig, or trip rig for a given trip.

Basically they're mechanisms to either A. make your time at work worth something, or B. encourage the company to create productive trips.

I don't work for Alaska, but that's generally how rigs work.

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Packrat
07-26-2015, 02:43 PM
There is no PIC requirement. TONS of new hires with little or no PIC

I thought that was only for Horizon pilots.

CassinAK
07-26-2015, 05:14 PM
I thought that was only for Horizon pilots.


They removed the PIC requirement a few app windows ago.

OrionDriver
07-26-2015, 06:02 PM
Thanks all for the info. Looking like I'll need to learn a new language before much longer!

shfo
07-26-2015, 06:58 PM
5 hour min day


Is it 5 hour min day or duty period? Do you get 5 hours for a 24 hour layover?

What would this trip pay 11.26 (trip rig) or 15 (min day)?

SKD 08 SEA 1840 SFO 2150 2.10

SKD ON DUTY 3.25 ODL 33.17

SKD 10 SFO 0807 SEA 0920 2.13

SKD ON DUTY 3.13

TL 4.23 TAFB 39.40

Chris Knight
07-26-2015, 07:47 PM
Is it 5 hour min day or duty period? Do you get 5 hours for a 24 hour layover?



What would this trip pay 11.26 (trip rig) or 15 (min day)?



SKD 08 SEA 1840 SFO 2150 2.10



SKD ON DUTY 3.25 ODL 33.17



SKD 10 SFO 0807 SEA 0920 2.13



SKD ON DUTY 3.13



TL 4.23 TAFB 39.40


Hmm I am not absolutely sure with that pairing, but it looks like a three day trip, you get 5 hours per day for min day.. So 15 hours credit, unless the duty/trip rig ratios beat it, which does not seem to be the case here. Also, scheduled credit and actual credit compete with rigs and min day. Whichever is the highest value is what you will be paid.

CassinAK
07-26-2015, 07:50 PM
Its 5 hr min average credit per duty period not 5 hr min day.

Singlecoil
07-26-2015, 08:39 PM
Its 5 hr min average credit per duty period not 5 hr min day.

Correct. That trip would pay 11:20. (Lame)

Chris Knight
07-27-2015, 06:05 AM
Its 5 hr min average credit per duty period not 5 hr min day.

Okay gotcha. I'm still learning about it.. So the trip rig wins out on this pairing?

3downandchecked
07-27-2015, 07:29 AM
I'm looking forward to meeting with the recruiting team at OBAP in a few weeks. I didn't see a slot time signup to meet with a recruiter so it looks like it will be a long wait in line. Does anyone know who will be attending OBAP from Alaska? Is the CP coming?

CassinAK
07-27-2015, 09:55 AM
Okay gotcha. I'm still learning about it.. So the trip rig wins out on this pairing?


Yea thats where you can get stuck with a low credit pairing. We have a few trips with 1 leg the first day 30 hour over night then 1 leg home that only pay 12-13 hours. 5 hour min day would be much better than what we have and that pairing would then pay 15 hours.

Chris Knight
07-28-2015, 03:00 PM
Yea thats where you can get stuck with a low credit pairing. We have a few trips with 1 leg the first day 30 hour over night then 1 leg home that only pay 12-13 hours. 5 hour min day would be much better than what we have and that pairing would then pay 15 hours.

Perhaps in contract 2018.

Realtalk
07-29-2015, 01:56 PM
I bet they had some decent Total Time then because the CP I just talked to made it sound like he really liked to see PIC.

The lucky one I know, qx f/o no pic. Class date with Alaska, near 3 tt and then turned down Alaska and got a job at delta. So go figure, people get on with no pic, although I know guys with 1000's of pic and nothing for them. Just how the ball bounces

flyingberk
07-29-2015, 06:37 PM
Are people still thinking August for the next application window? Is there a way to keep track of window openings besides checking on alaskaair.com every day?

Cruz5350
07-29-2015, 06:44 PM
I was told August when I met everybody at Oshkosh.

flyingberk
07-30-2015, 08:25 AM
Sweet thanks.

KhalReblic23
07-30-2015, 12:28 PM
Are people still thinking August for the next application window? Is there a way to keep track of window openings besides checking on alaskaair.com every day?

Checking these forums everyday I guess... :rolleyes:

CassinAK
07-30-2015, 12:40 PM
Checking these forums everyday I guess... :rolleyes:


We will get an email a week or so before it opens. One of us will post the dates on here.

ORMtflyer
07-30-2015, 03:12 PM
when window opens do existing apps drop out, ie do you start from the bottom again.

Dodo
07-30-2015, 03:46 PM
when window opens do existing apps drop out, ie do you start from the bottom again.

IOW, does an applicant need to re-do their application or does previous remain, and able to update? Any Alaska pilots experienced this/have insight?

DisbandtheRLA
07-30-2015, 04:05 PM
The purge all the old applications and you start all over when they open a new window.

ORMtflyer
07-30-2015, 04:41 PM
The purge all the old applications and you start all over when they open a new window.

Do previous visits to hr hiring events still count for you, pullyaylup,GAA, etc

KhalReblic23
07-30-2015, 11:28 PM
We will get an email a week or so before it opens. One of us will post the dates on here.

Awesome, much appreciated and will be checking back regularly.

Packrat
07-31-2015, 05:42 AM
Khal,

Check your PMs

Chris Knight
07-31-2015, 07:15 AM
when window opens do existing apps drop out, ie do you start from the bottom again.

I applied in August '14 when the window was open. I got an invite this past March while the new window was open, I hadn't reapplied yet.

F15Cricket
07-31-2015, 03:41 PM
I applied in August '14 when the window was open. I got an invite this past March while the new window was open, I hadn't reapplied yet.

I had a friend who had the same experience. Your app from the Aug 14 was what got you the March interview.

F15Cricket
07-31-2015, 03:42 PM
Do previous visits to hr hiring events still count for you, pullyaylup,GAA, etc

Absolutely! From what I know, while they purge the applications, they remember folks they want to give interviews to from the job fairs, etc.

Flyer2000
08-05-2015, 07:11 AM
Just heard that Alaska is going to slow down (or stop) running classes/hiring for a while. Not sure if this affects those already given JO and are awaiting classes yet or not. But this apparently has been passed down to all the Chief Pilots.

Mudhen200
08-05-2015, 07:48 AM
Flyer 2000,
I don't think you have good intel. In the last week, I've bumped into the system chief and 3 base chiefs, all of them in SEA to do interviews. All of them said, 200 to 250 this year and the next and the next and the next, repeat for the next decade or so.

ArcticDog
08-05-2015, 08:21 AM
Flyer 2000,
I don't think you have good intel. In the last week, I've bumped into the system chief and 3 base chiefs, all of them in SEA to do interviews. All of them said, 200 to 250 this year and the next and the next and the next, repeat for the next decade or so.

^^^this is correct^^^

Flyer2000
08-05-2015, 09:13 AM
Yeah, that's what I was told by a base chief during meet and greet about a month ago. But then when a friend spoke to same Chief yesterday, he was told that the word had just come down and that hiring was going to slow.

So I'm not sure what to believe. The word during meet and greet was that management wasn't even sure they could staff the flying they projected for coming winter.

Tubby
08-05-2015, 10:01 AM
It wouldn't surprise me that hiring slowed. It was announced on the last earnings call that a decision was made in the last 30 days to retire all 27 400s over the next 18 months. It was also stated that net aircraft growth would only be SIX over the next two years. Hard to see why we would need to hire those kind of numbers for that little growth.
I think the board meeting is this week. There was some rumblings about needing board approval for something but it's probably just more money for share buybacks.
Time will tell.

Workin
08-05-2015, 10:32 AM
Quote from Brandon S. Pedersen (http://seekingalpha.com/search/transcripts?term=Brandon+S.+Pedersen&source=participant) - Chief Financial Officer & Executive Vice President, Finance. "We'll take delivery of 11 737-900ERs this year, 19 next year and 12 900ERs and our first MAX in 2017. The vast majority of these airplanes will replace the 27 737-400s we're retiring over the next two years. The result is that Mainline fleet will grow by 10 units this year and six units total over the next two years."

This year we grew by 10 aircraft and combined with predicted retirements that came to an estimated 215 new hires. So with 3 aircraft per year growth Im guessing hiring will be around 80 per year.

jamesrhatcher
08-05-2015, 11:08 AM
Just heard that Alaska is going to slow down (or stop) running classes/hiring for a while. Not sure if this affects those already given JO and are awaiting classes yet or not. But this apparently has been passed down to all the Chief Pilots.

I'd listen to this guy. He's the jumpseat coordinator at Skywest so he obviously is in the know.

Sioux115
08-05-2015, 07:45 PM
^^^this is correct^^^
I think it's more of shallowing the pool so we quit losing guys to other airlines as they wait for class to start here.

CassinAK
08-05-2015, 08:46 PM
I think it's more of shallowing the pool so we quit losing guys to other airlines as they wait for class to start here.


This is what I've heard. They are going to slow/stop interviewing for a while because the pool is full... I believe they have enough for classes through the end of the year.

ForeverJunior
08-05-2015, 08:50 PM
This is what I've heard. They are going to slow/stop interviewing for a while because the pool is full... I believe they have enough for classes through the end of the year.

Thanks CassinAK. That makes more sense.

Klsytakesit
08-06-2015, 07:35 PM
Prob because instead of investing in the airline they are going to make a billion dollars vanish from the company in a stock buy back......glad we said yes to being the lowest paid 737 pilots in the business

hockey916
08-06-2015, 09:15 PM
Hate to break it to you, but you aren't the lowest paid 737 pilots.....

Klsytakesit
08-07-2015, 01:59 AM
should have said " compensated".....of the 4 remaining airlines

hockey916
08-07-2015, 06:15 AM
I totally understand what you meant. Was just being a smart ass since I am one of the lowest paid 737 pilots out there.

2loud
08-07-2015, 07:24 AM
Hate to break it to you, but you aren't the lowest paid 737 pilots.....

AS pilots are the lowest paid "legacy/major airline" 737 pilots. Ounce for ounce, AS is one of the most profitable airlines (if not the profitable) and yet this pilot group settles for waaaaaay less.

ForeverJunior
08-07-2015, 07:39 AM
AS pilots are the lowest paid "legacy/major airline" 737 pilots. Ounce for ounce, AS is one of the most profitable airlines (if not the profitable) and yet this pilot group settles for waaaaaay less.

Oh, but we need to always vote for the first TA. You know time value of money, blah blah blah blah.

"Oh, we'll get parked for a year."

"Hey, $200/hr. is great!"

We have too many Chicken Littles running around. Most of these guys have no idea what their peers are getting paid at the other airlines. They also have no idea that other pilot groups have voted down their first TAs.

I'm afraid we're always going to lag behind in not only pay, but 401(k) contributions, work rules, etc.

2loud
08-07-2015, 08:23 AM
I'm afraid we're always going to lag behind in not only pay, but 401(k) contributions, work rules, etc.

There are 2 certainties in life: 1) Death and 2) what you said. This is no pessimism. Alaskan was ALWAYS this way and will always be. Just look at the history of this pilot group and the past contracts. The company and its moles thrive on the weakness of this pilot group. This is the only pilot group that takes an a$$ pounding with a smile. I've never seen anything like it.:eek: We have more than our share of Judas Iscariots in the union aspiring to climb the management ladder at all cost.

ForeverJunior
08-07-2015, 08:30 AM
There are 2 certainties in life: 1) Death and 2) what you said. This is no pessimism. Alaskan was ALWAYS this way and will always be. Just look at the history of this pilot group and the past contracts. The company and its moles thrive on the weakness of this pilot group. This is the only pilot group that takes an a$$ pounding with a smile. I've never seen anything like it.:eek:

What's worse is that our MEC comes out and tells us that this is the best TA ever and that we should vote for it. Some of the union guys have become too buddy/buddy with management types. Of course, the MEC seems to be a pipeline to management positions.

shfo
08-14-2015, 08:30 AM
Anyone talk to Alaska at Obap? Just wondering what they are telling people.

SurferLucas
08-14-2015, 08:38 AM
Anyone talk to Alaska at Obap? Just wondering what they are telling people.

Bring cake...:rolleyes:

Chris Knight
08-14-2015, 01:50 PM
Anyone talk to Alaska at Obap? Just wondering what they are telling people.

I believe the last three classes this year have been filled, with plans to start calling people in the pool for January new hire dates later this year.

Chuckie
08-15-2015, 05:42 PM
Anyone talk to Alaska at Obap? Just wondering what they are telling people.

"Nice resume. Too bad coming here doesn't count towards anything at Alaska since you don't have your app in."

"But you aren't taking applications or I'd have applied."

"Correct."

:(

Mookie
08-15-2015, 09:51 PM
"Nice resume. Too bad coming here doesn't count towards anything at Alaska since you don't have your app in."

"But you aren't taking applications or I'd have applied."

"Correct."

:(
So as of April you didn't qualify to apply, and now bc you do you're expecting....???

Chuckie
08-16-2015, 02:53 PM
So as of April you didn't qualify to apply, and now bc you do you're expecting....???

Sorry, I'm new to this game. Applications for other airlines went out in July. I wrongly assumed that if an organization is going to pay money for a booth and look for qualified pilots, they'd at least have a means to accept applications at the same time.

Klsytakesit
08-17-2015, 04:14 AM
Our pilot hiring process is fairly undeveloped and amateurish...It gets recycled often and functions much like a rudderless ship....a simple guideline for applicants would be nice.....not going to happen though

F15Cricket
08-17-2015, 02:44 PM
Sorry, I'm new to this game. Applications for other airlines went out in July. I wrongly assumed that if an organization is going to pay money for a booth and look for qualified pilots, they'd at least have a means to accept applications at the same time.

Not being snarky, but the company probably rightly assumes if you want to work here, you'll know when the application window is open and apply. Do you know anyone here who can tell you when the app window is open?

From what I understand, Alaska does a pretty good job of filtering out people who "shotgun" applications with everyone ... which it sort of sounds like you are doing. I understand, but just realize at this company, that will radically decrease your chances of an interview.

longhauler
08-17-2015, 04:16 PM
Our pilot hiring process is fairly undeveloped and amateurish...It gets recycled often and functions much like a rudderless ship....a simple guideline for applicants would be nice.....not going to happen though
Funny you should say that. They hired an individual from the great state of Georgia, but shot down a local Washingtonian. I bet Big D hired the Washingtonian :D

Klsytakesit
08-17-2015, 10:16 PM
givin that mother D is comprised of Western and Northwest, far more Alaskans, Washingtonians, Oregonians and Californians work for Delta than for good old Alaskan

GuppyPuppy
08-18-2015, 03:14 AM
givin that mother D is comprised of Western and Northwest, far more Alaskans, Washingtonians, Oregonians and Californians work for Delta than for good old Alaskan

They make good beer!

GP

Chuckie
08-18-2015, 07:59 PM
Not being snarky, but the company probably rightly assumes if you want to work here, you'll know when the application window is open and apply. Do you know anyone here who can tell you when the app window is open?

Unfortunately, no.

From what I understand, Alaska does a pretty good job of filtering out people who "shotgun" applications with everyone ... which it sort of sounds like you are doing. I understand, but just realize at this company, that will radically decrease your chances of an interview.

There's an airline that I want to end up at, sure. But I have apps in at other places as well. I don't know of many who have had the luxury of putting all of their eggs in one basket and getting hired there. I honestly don't know a ton about Alaska's company culture, but if it's so elitist as to "filter" out folks who are hoping to land here but have apps in at other places.....then maybe it's not the place for me. I'd like to fly for a living, and if that's not Alaska then I'm going to go fly somewhere. I'd expect anyone else to do the same. I'll keep my app alive here (whenever the window opens and I happen to hear about it) and hope that maybe one day I'll get the call.

Thrill
08-19-2015, 05:49 AM
Don't sweat having multiple apps in at other places. As long as you can articulate your reasons for wanting to be here, you should be fine.

Our app process is , bluntly, ridiculous. Every time they try to improve it they succeed in doing the opposite. Even the guys already here are frustrated with it. For now, it is what it is. Stay tuned in, make the next window, keep doing what you're doing.


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messdaddy
08-19-2015, 06:21 AM
Rumor from the "water cooler" is that Alaska is suspending hiring for a bit.

ForeverJunior
08-19-2015, 06:27 AM
Rumor from the "water cooler" is that Alaska is suspending hiring for a bit.

This is the official memo from our system chief pilot:

"Update on the plan for the rest of this year.

Update on our pilot hiring efforts. Our projected outlook for hiring has changed slightly, it was recently adjusted down a bit from the original plan. This year we are continuing to offer training classes through September and plan on restarting our school house in December with classes continuing into the first quarter of 2016.

As many of you know, we have been actively interviewing this year; which has enabled us to build up a strong pool of candidates. This means we will be ready to go when we start our training back up in December. That being said we are going to take a momentary pause in our hiring efforts. Rest assured that the plan going forward includes more hiring as we continue to forecast growth and retirements."

Frozen Ronin
08-22-2015, 02:40 AM
Poop. Next time.

2loud
08-22-2015, 10:39 AM
Rumor from the "water cooler" is that Alaska is suspending hiring for a bit.

It's another way of saying, "We have chewed off more than we can handle and once we get our $hit together, we'll resume hiring once we figure out how to fend off corndog from trying to eat us. In the meantime, we will make sure that my golden parachute is packed properly."

kenblankenship
08-22-2015, 10:44 AM
I've heard from several friends who have attended multiple job fairs this year that Alaska keeps track of your attendance and likes to have logged your name at three different job fairs before they'll put your resume in the "good pile".

Anyone else hearing the same thing?

Dodo
08-22-2015, 11:04 AM
Ken,
I've heard you must successfully complete the Most Extreme Challenge to get an interview. Commentators need not apply.

ForeverJunior
08-22-2015, 11:13 AM
Ken,
I've heard you must successfully complete the Most Extreme Challenge to get an interview. Commentators need not apply.

I heard that's about the change. Instead of MXC, we're going to put candidates through an American Ninja Warrior course. The salmon ladder is key and is graded very high. :D

2loud
08-22-2015, 11:47 AM
I've heard from several friends who have attended multiple job fairs this year that Alaska keeps track of your attendance and likes to have logged your name at three different job fairs before they'll put your resume in the "good pile".

Anyone else hearing the same thing?

This is what happens when the almighty HR department takes control of hiring pilots. It's like engineers designing cockpits without consulting the human factors experts and pilots.
Alaskan has always been insecure with folks leaving for other airlines. We'll see more of that as the "qualified pilot candidate pool" dries up and the big three really open up the hiring flood gates.

Packrat
08-22-2015, 12:25 PM
I've heard from several friends who have attended multiple job fairs this year that Alaska keeps track of your attendance and likes to have logged your name at three different job fairs before they'll put your resume in the "good pile".

Anyone else hearing the same thing?

That wouldn't surprise me. I've heard from F/A buddies that Alaska likes F/A candidates to return to open houses several times just to see if they're serious about working there.

kenblankenship
08-22-2015, 03:40 PM
I heard that's about the change. Instead of MXC, we're going to put candidates through an American Ninja Warrior course. The salmon ladder is key and is graded very high. :D

The rotating surfboard of death was always my personal favorite. Coincidentally, that's exactly what I feel like I'm doing filling out airline apps.

kenblankenship
08-22-2015, 03:48 PM
That wouldn't surprise me. I've heard from F/A buddies that Alaska likes F/A candidates to return to open houses several times just to see if they're serious about working there.

Yeah, that's the rumor I've heard on the pilot side as well.

Every budding airline pilot is trying as hard as possible to present a good image and be ready for that big phone call. It sucks that a company demands you to repeatedly fly across the country to different locations on your own dime to "show your loyalty".

I've heard that Alaska is a great place to work, just not sure about the elitist attitude from the outside looking in. Maybe an Alaska guy can explain what I'm missing.

DesertAv8tr
08-22-2015, 04:59 PM
I've heard that Alaska is a great place to work, just not sure about the elitist attitude from the outside looking in.

That's called hubris, and as long as thousands keep applying and traveling around the world to talk for ten minutes with an HR rep, nothing will change.

Packrat
08-22-2015, 05:36 PM
That's called hubris, and as long as thousands keep applying and traveling around the world to talk for ten minutes with an HR rep, nothing will change.

Plus the fact that the organizers are making bank setting up these "meet and greets." As long as the money keeps flowing...

True story:

I had a layover in the Chicago Westin years ago. There were two groups in the ballrooms. One was a pilot meet and greet. The other was ComicCon Chicago.

I had to ask my F/A which group looked weirder, the pilots in their "interview" suits or the kids in their costumes. We were in agreement...the pilots.

hoover
08-23-2015, 05:48 AM
Really three job fairs? Who has the time to go to three and three that AS is at? That would take a year. In that time many will be picked up by another airline.

DesertAv8tr
08-23-2015, 10:21 AM
True story:

I had a layover in the Chicago Westin years ago. There were two groups in the ballrooms. One was a pilot meet and greet. The other was ComicCon Chicago.

I had to ask my F/A which group looked weirder, the pilots in their "interview" suits or the kids in their costumes. We were in agreement...the pilots.

What a great story! Plus, I'm sure the cosplay folks probably paid far less to be there!

2loud
08-23-2015, 01:11 PM
just not sure about the elitist attitude from the outside looking in. Maybe an Alaska guy can explain what I'm missing.

Alaskan has nothing to back their "elitist attitude" since they only offer one thing for a pilot-SEA and PDX base, if that really matters. 13.5% 401k contribution, lowest 737 pay of all majors, 5% PBP with a shrinking moving target, inability to fly bigger equipment for better pay, and a Napoleon complex doesn't sound like an elitist.

full of luv
08-23-2015, 02:17 PM
Plus the fact that the organizers are making bank setting up these "meet and greets." As long as the money keeps flowing...

True story:

I had a layover in the Chicago Westin years ago. There were two groups in the ballrooms. One was a pilot meet and greet. The other was ComicCon Chicago.

I had to ask my F/A which group looked weirder, the pilots in their "interview" suits or the kids in their costumes. We were in agreement...the pilots.

Wow you guys layover at the Chicago Westin? Sounds nice!:)

Singlecoil
08-23-2015, 02:35 PM
Alaskan has nothing to back their "elitist attitude" since they only offer one thing for a pilot-SEA and PDX base, if that really matters. 13.5% 401k contribution, lowest 737 pay of all majors, 5% PBP with a shrinking moving target, inability to fly bigger equipment for better pay, and a Napoleon complex doesn't sound like an elitist.
You mean lowest pay of all majors. You can leave out the 737 caveat.

full of luv
08-23-2015, 02:37 PM
You mean lowest pay of all majors. You can leave out the 737 caveat.

That's because of the low cost of living in SEA/PDX/ANC/LAX areas......:D

ForeverJunior
08-23-2015, 03:34 PM
You mean lowest pay of all majors. You can leave out the 737 caveat.

But, but, but, but the captain pay had a "2" in front of it. That was good enough for the majority.

2loud
08-23-2015, 06:25 PM
A new airline category for Alaskan Air: LLCPA-Legacy Low Cost Pilot Airline

mike734
09-11-2015, 12:54 PM
Here is some interesting demographic info about out last 5 classes. There were 69 new hires, about 12 per class. They came from a fairly wide variety of regional, military and misc sources. The regional that we hired the most from in this last wave was, ExpressJet (11) follow closely by Horizon (9).

After those two it was spread out between 29 others. Of the 69 new hires, 12 were women. I didn't try to count minorities but there were very few.

The other regionals we hired from were:
Air Wisconsin 5
Skywest 3
AK Ang 3
Envoy 3
The rest were 2 or 1 and they were:
Commuter Air
Clay Lacy
Go Jet
Ravn
USAF
USN
USCG
Great Lakes
OR ANG
NetJets
Southern Air
Lyden Air
Fraizer
CWU
Shuttle America
Northern Air Cargo
Compass
Pathfinder
FAA
Island Air
Sun Country
Redding Air
Mesa

snackysmores
09-11-2015, 03:03 PM
"Handshake agreement with Alaska" that 30% of their pilots will come from QX"

So much for that.

ForeverJunior
09-12-2015, 08:44 AM
"Handshake agreement with Alaska" that 30% of their pilots will come from QX"

So much for that.

Yeah, handshake agreements are worthless.

By the way, was this 30% handshake deal regarding interviews or actual hires?

mike734
09-12-2015, 09:14 AM
Five classes is not a statistical study. There have been more Horizon hires in the past. i wouldn't read much into it.

TurbineDriver
09-12-2015, 07:53 PM
CWU faculty? That's an odd one.

Here is some interesting demographic info about out last 5 classes. There were 69 new hires, about 12 per class. They came from a fairly wide variety of regional, military and misc sources. The regional that we hired the most from in this last wave was, ExpressJet (11) follow closely by Horizon (9).

After those two it was spread out between 29 others. Of the 69 new hires, 12 were women. I didn't try to count minorities but there were very few.

The other regionals we hired from were:
Air Wisconsin 5
Skywest 3
AK Ang 3
Envoy 3
The rest were 2 or 1 and they were:
Commuter Air
Clay Lacy
Go Jet
Ravn
USAF
USN
USCG
Great Lakes
OR ANG
NetJets
Southern Air
Lyden Air
Fraizer
CWU
Shuttle America
Northern Air Cargo
Compass
Pathfinder
FAA
Island Air
Sun Country
Redding Air
Mesa

Packrat
09-13-2015, 02:09 AM
CWU faculty? That's an odd one.

Probably a CWU retread whose Daddy works on the 2nd floor.

2loud
09-13-2015, 02:04 PM
Probably a CWU retread whose Daddy works on the 2nd floor.

That's one way to bypass the Tool Examination Station.

coryk
09-14-2015, 08:37 PM
Honest question, why so much doom and gloom in these recent pages? What's moral like on the line?

Are people bailing for the big 3?

CassinAK
09-14-2015, 09:07 PM
Honest question, why so much doom and gloom in these recent pages? What's moral like on the line?



Are people bailing for the big 3?


No one is bailing.. People come on here to vent... Also there are only about 5-10 Alaska pilots that even post.

ExperimentalAB
09-14-2015, 10:26 PM
No one is bailing.. People come on here to vent... Also there are only about 5-10 Alaska pilots that even post.

Yep. This is a vocal and very small minority, unfortunately...

There are still guys at Alaska that have no idea SkyWest is already flying 175s with Eskimo tails, much less have another 30 coming (if Horizon doesn't take the punch in the gut). The ignorance is unimaginable.

XTweet
09-15-2015, 08:39 AM
Honest question, why so much doom and gloom in these recent pages? What's moral like on the line?

Are people bailing for the big 3?
Morale is great on the line. The most frequent complaint I hear is about the tie and hat. When I listen to jump-seaters complain about other airlines, it's a constant reminder about how good I have it. I've been with the company for just over a year so my perspective is limited but I feel blessed to be where I am.

ExperimentalAB
09-15-2015, 11:02 AM
Morale is great on the line. The most frequent complaint I hear is about the tie and hat. When I listen to jump-seaters complain about other airlines, it's a constant reminder about how good I have it. I've been with the company for just over a year so my perspective is limited but I feel blessed to be where I am.

That's pretty sad, given the serious career ramifications of 30 shiny new "RJs," and all they can find to complain about is a tie and hat?

CassinAK
09-15-2015, 11:40 AM
That's pretty sad, given the serious career ramifications of 30 shiny new "RJs," and all they can find to complain about is a tie and hat?


They are already captains so they got theirs... It'll be great when all the new routes are flown by RJs.

2loud
09-15-2015, 09:33 PM
Morale is great on the line.

It's called "the beat down". Majority of people are sheep.
On a serious note, welcome and I really mean that. Compared to the military, the airline gig is pretty darn good. Everything is relative, I suppose. Hopefully, things will go well for all of us in the future and no permanent sour taste will be implanted in you by this company. Enjoy the honeymoon while it lasts. Congrats.:)

coryk
09-20-2015, 09:07 PM
Any idea how many they plan to hire next year, and how many of those are already in the pool?

Chris Knight
09-20-2015, 10:29 PM
Any idea how many they plan to hire next year, and how many of those are already in the pool?

As of last month, I heard about 90 in the pool, minimum of 110 new hires next year.

full of luv
09-21-2015, 05:35 AM
Morale is great on the line. The most frequent complaint I hear is about the tie and hat.

What's wrong with the tie and hat? Do they generally want to dress like a SWA F/A in a tan polo and shorts?

CassinAK
09-21-2015, 10:10 AM
What's wrong with the tie and hat? Do they generally want to dress like a SWA F/A in a tan polo and shorts?


Well since there isn't much else to complain about people usually complain about hats, ties and crew meals. Its better than hearing about politics for 4 days I suppose.

Packrat
09-21-2015, 11:58 AM
Saw my first ERJ-175 in Alaska/SkyWest paint in PDX this morning. I'd be worried.

ForeverJunior
09-21-2015, 12:18 PM
The problem most have with the hats is that the company made them optional several years ago and then decided to require them again. Some guys really hate the hat. I don't care either way. I wear it because I'm nearly hairless and an FO. So, it protects my head from really cold drops of rain.

The new tie is not a good uniform option. It's silk and the colors don't match the rest of our uniform. Also, the bottom part gets frayed by the seat belt. The solution would be to get a clip-on and take the tie off once you get into the flight deck. I still wear my "old" tie, because they new tie is not in the FOM.

I'm also hearing that a new style tie is coming early next year. So, wearing this "new" tie is a moot point anyway.

full of luv
09-21-2015, 01:46 PM
The problem most have with the hats is that the company made them optional several years ago and then decided to require them again. Some guys really hate the hat. I don't care either way. I wear it because I'm nearly hairless and an FO. So, it protects my head from really cold drops of rain.

The new tie is not a good uniform option. It's silk and the colors don't match the rest of our uniform. Also, the bottom part gets frayed by the seat belt. The solution would be to get a clip-on and take the tie off once you get into the flight deck. I still wear my "old" tie, because they new tie is not in the FOM.

I'm also hearing that a new style tie is coming early next year. So, wearing this "new" tie is a moot point anyway.

Alrighty then.... I guess these are the airline equivalent of "first-world" problems to have....

ForeverJunior
09-21-2015, 03:00 PM
Alrighty then.... I guess these are the airline equivalent of "first-world" problems to have....

Trust me, we have many many more pressing issues. But, most of our guys are oblivious and they'd rather complain about trivial stuff like the hat. Don't get me started.

coryk
09-28-2015, 05:12 AM
It's probably been asked, but with 90+ in the pool does anyone care to speculate on when the app window might reopen?

Chris Knight
09-28-2015, 09:54 AM
It's probably been asked, but with 90+ in the pool does anyone care to speculate on when the app window might reopen?

20 new hires began training this month, I am not sure if that takes away from the pool, but let's say that drops it to 70. October and November will be quiet, but classes will start again in December, with at least 110 new hires planned for 2016. I don't know what the trigger point is to replenish the pool but my guess is the window will open by January.

coryk
09-28-2015, 11:07 AM
20 new hires began training this month, I am not sure if that takes away from the pool, but let's say that drops it to 70. October and November will be quiet, but classes will start again in December, with at least 110 new hires planned for 2016. I don't know what the trigger point is to replenish the pool but my guess is the window will open by January.

I imagine with those stats it will be a bit of a wait for a class. Thanks for the info!

SEAviator
09-29-2015, 09:50 AM
This is what happens when the almighty HR department takes control of hiring pilots. It's like engineers designing cockpits without consulting the human factors experts and pilots.
Alaskan has always been insecure with folks leaving for other airlines. We'll see more of that as the "qualified pilot candidate pool" dries up and the big three really open up the hiring flood gates. Any recommendations for upcoming events before January that Alaska HR folks will be attending?

Granola
09-29-2015, 11:03 AM
I've heard from several friends who have attended multiple job fairs this year that Alaska keeps track of your attendance and likes to have logged your name at three different job fairs before they'll put your resume in the "good pile".

Anyone else hearing the same thing?

At Oshkosh, John told us specifically to not waste the time or money to also go to OBAP. I guess it couldn't hurt to go to multiples, especially if you can js, but I wouldn't break the bank. They did give me a nod for driving 17hrs to get there.

Rot8
09-29-2015, 12:07 PM
20 new hires began training this month, I am not sure if that takes away from the pool, but let's say that drops it to 70. October and November will be quiet, but classes will start again in December, with at least 110 new hires planned for 2016. I don't know what the trigger point is to replenish the pool but my guess is the window will open by January.

For what it's worth - I interviewed on June 3. No class date. I know a couple guys from late May interview dates who got early December class dates. Not sure how deep in the pool I am, but I would suspect an early 2016 class date given those numbers.

OrionDriver
10-04-2015, 04:47 PM
Any word on when the next window will open? I've not heard anything in some time...

coryk
10-04-2015, 07:38 PM
Any word on when the next window will open? I've not heard anything in some time...

I heard early January. But with 90 in the pool and only 110 to be hired next year, it doesn't make sense when they already have apps on file.

CassinAK
10-06-2015, 12:20 AM
New bid out today 20 upgrades 40 newhires.

coryk
10-06-2015, 04:03 PM
New bid out today 20 upgrades 40 newhires.

Is that included in the rumored 100-10ish for next year or on top of?

Thrill
10-07-2015, 11:40 AM
Bid cancelled. New numbers coming out. All hiring is part of the previously announced numbers.


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full of luv
10-07-2015, 12:14 PM
Bid cancelled. New numbers coming out. All hiring is part of the previously announced numbers.


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How does a bid come out and then immediately get cancelled.... have market changes forced an immediate reworking of the 2016 fleet plan from Mon to Wed?:eek:

Bulloo7
10-08-2015, 04:18 AM
I'm wondering were I am in the pool. I interview August 4th does anyone know how many interview groups they held each month?

coryk
10-08-2015, 12:17 PM
I'm wondering were I am in the pool. I interview August 4th does anyone know how many interview groups they held each month?

A friend of mine was hired early June/late May and was in the last class in Sept (23rd?). I believe there is just one more class, or so they've heard later towards the end of the year. During that time they were interviewing several people a week, so I'd guess early next year?

Then again, I could be totally off with my estimation.

Thrill
10-08-2015, 04:43 PM
Welcome to Alaska crew planning.

New bid out. An additional TWO upgrades were added. Two.....

Latest estimate I saw was 140 for the year.


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ForeverJunior
10-08-2015, 04:47 PM
Welcome to Alaska crew planning.

New bid out. An additional TWO upgrades were added. Two.....

Latest estimate I saw was 140 for the year.


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"Crew Planning" :cool:

https://joselynsbrawlwithshulmanssyndrome.files.wordpress. com/2014/07/dr_evil.jpg

CassinAK
10-08-2015, 07:07 PM
Welcome to Alaska crew planning.

New bid out. An additional TWO upgrades were added. Two.....

Latest estimate I saw was 140 for the year.


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4 it was 4 additional upgrades = big deal.. 2 = small 4 = big!!!!

mike734
10-08-2015, 10:37 PM
Our former VP of Flt ops and all around Alaska legend has a podcast. Mike Swanigan has been posting a podcast for about a year now. It's interesting I guess. But the latest one is an interview with our CP John Hornibrook. It's worth a listen as he talks extensively about our hiring practices. You can find it here:
Talking Flight (http://talkingflight.libsyn.com)

Good luck.

Juan Trippe
10-09-2015, 09:30 AM
Our former VP of Flt ops and all around Alaska legend has a podcast. Mike Swanigan has been posting a podcast for about a year now. It's interesting I guess. But the latest one is an interview with our CP John Hornibrook. It's worth a listen as he talks extensively about our hiring practices. You can find it here:
Talking Flight (http://talkingflight.libsyn.com)

Good luck.
Good stuff! Thanks!

Thrill
10-09-2015, 03:03 PM
Dammit! I knew it was 4. I even said 2 twice, just to emphasize my wrongness.

FogHorn
10-09-2015, 04:45 PM
Thanks for posting that Mike.

mike734
10-10-2015, 09:16 PM
Thanks for posting that Mike.

You're welcome.

ORMtflyer
10-11-2015, 05:22 PM
Do you still have to pay for your hotel during training or is it covered?

SmoothLanderJ
10-11-2015, 05:28 PM
Do you still have to pay for your hotel during training or is it covered?

Nope, you're responsible for your hotel / crashpad for training...for now.

wankel7
10-13-2015, 09:44 AM
Nope, you're responsible for your hotel / crashpad for training...for now.

Might it change?

gooddeal
10-13-2015, 07:55 PM
Nope, you're responsible for your hotel / crashpad for training...for now.

Might it change?

https://danielskatz.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/outlook-not-so-good.jpg

mike734
10-15-2015, 06:19 PM
If hiring keeps going and a pilot shortage truly develops I am betting there will be many changes. I'm betting pensions will make a come back. You heard it here first.

F15Cricket
10-16-2015, 02:24 PM
If hiring keeps going and a pilot shortage truly develops I am betting there will be many changes. I'm betting pensions will make a come back. You heard it here first.

Unless the newer hires vote against readding pensions so we can avoid PBS (which works well only for the more senior folks).. ;). :eek:

Just kidding ... I know we are all in this together, on the same team! :)

2loud
10-16-2015, 03:16 PM
Unless the newer hires vote against readding pensions so we can avoid PBS (which works well only for the more senior folks).. ;). :eek:

Just kidding ... I know we are all in this together, on the same team! :)

I'd stick with your first sentence; there's waaaaaay more truth to it. We are all in this together until the boat starts sinking, then the junior boys&girls will be thrown overboard. Seriously.

WelcomeToBen
10-16-2015, 10:27 PM
If hiring keeps going and a pilot shortage truly develops I am betting there will be many changes. I'm betting pensions will make a come back. You heard it here first.

That's hilarious..

mike734
10-17-2015, 09:02 AM
That's hilarious..


Glad you're amused. How little you think of yourself and your services that a pension it thought by you to be out of the question. Is it out of the question for management?

All things are possible when there are no suitable pilots to sit in the seats.

Packrat
10-17-2015, 09:36 AM
I don't see it happening for one reason and one reason only: Since Contract '92 (?) Alaska has been required to self-fund the pension program (before that they purchased annuities). They have had to keep to the tune of $100M in cash tied up to pay the retirees since then.

I'm sure the boys/girls at Angle Lake can think of a whole lot better things to do with $100M than fund pilot pensions. That's exactly the reason they came up with the "A plan, freeze or increased 401 choice" several years ago. At the same time they put all the new hires on the straight 401 plan.

I'd be skeptical to see any kind of A plan return.

mike734
10-17-2015, 09:55 AM
I don't see it happening for one reason and one reason only: Since Contract '92 (?) Alaska has been required to self-fund the pension program (before that they purchased annuities). They have had to keep to the tune of $100M in cash tied up to pay the retirees since then.

I'm sure the boys/girls at Angle Lake can think of a whole lot better things to do with $100M than fund pilot pensions. That's exactly the reason they came up with the "A plan, freeze or increased 401 choice" several years ago. At the same time they put all the new hires on the straight 401 plan.

I'd be skeptical to see any kind of A plan return.
Our 2005 paycut was to the tune of 100m. They are rolling in cash. But your doubts are valid.
If the top 7 airlines really do have trouble staffing the flight decks then anythings possible. I'd like to see Delta and other industry leaders demand the return of pensions. They are a "quiet" way to boost compensation.

pete2800
10-17-2015, 09:59 AM
Our 2005 paycut was to the tune of 100m. They are rolling in cash. But your doubts are valid.
If the top 7 airlines really do have trouble staffing the flight decks then anythings possible. I'd like to see Delta and other industry leaders demand the return of pensions. They are a "quiet" way to boost compensation.

So... serious question here.

I'm a young guy, and based on what I've seen in the last 10-15 years... I'd rather have a 401k funded by the company than a pension that can get screwed up by a bankruptcy.

If they're giving me the money either up front (401k) or later (pension), why do you prefer the pension option? I'm not trying to be a moron, I'm just maybe ignorant of the potential advantages of a pension plan.

mike734
10-17-2015, 10:06 AM
So... serious question here.

I'm a young guy, and based on what I've seen in the last 10-15 years... I'd rather have a 401k funded by the company than a pension that can get screwed up by a bankruptcy.

If they're giving me the money either up front (401k) or later (pension), why do you prefer the pension option? I'm not trying to be a moron, I'm just maybe ignorant of the potential advantages of a pension plan.
Because you can have both.
My current plan pays me 10% to my 401k and a 40% final average earnings pension. Not generous by comparison to the old days. But I'm glad to have a diversified retirement plan.

Ray Red
10-17-2015, 11:04 AM
So... serious question here.

I'm a young guy, and based on what I've seen in the last 10-15 years... I'd rather have a 401k funded by the company than a pension that can get screwed up by a bankruptcy.

If they're giving me the money either up front (401k) or later (pension), why do you prefer the pension option? I'm not trying to be a moron, I'm just maybe ignorant of the potential advantages of a pension plan.

You are not the only one. Give me a great 401k/defined contribution any day of the week.

40% FAE on $250,000/Yr is $100,000. A higher contribution by the company during your working years can give you a nest egg with a principle that will earn you that same $100,000. Best part is it is BK, and loss of license proof. Oh and the Union can't negotiate the money that you have away in a future contract, but they can negotiate away a pension.

mike734
10-17-2015, 11:08 AM
but they can negotiate away a pension.

Not the pension you've already earned. I have ten years to go and I have accrued a substantial benefit already. That can't be negotiated away by law.

Airfix
10-19-2015, 08:14 PM
I heard the next application window will open towards the end of this year or beginning of next. Anybody have any more specifics?

rmcbear08
10-20-2015, 10:45 AM
I heard the next application window will open towards the end of this year or beginning of next. Anybody have any more specifics?

According to the podcast Mike posted (thanks again!) it sounds like this time frame estimate is right. They talked about needing people for the holidays and that means putting instructors on the line, which in turn slows down the hiring.

Mr. Hornibrook also mentioned that the hiring numbers for next year are expected to be less than this year (which was around 200), but that that number is obviously a moving target and could (and probably will) change. He also talked about the guys who are planning to retire this year need to tell the company by Halloween, so they'll have a better estimate for numbers at that point as well.

Phteven
10-21-2015, 04:27 PM
How many years before you can actually get SEA at Delta? Over 10?


I've had DAL guys in the jumpseat who are 2015 hires. The lowest numbers I've seen personally are 9 months (757) and 6 months (737). That was this summer before the hiring slowdown, so maybe a little longer now.

Klsytakesit
10-24-2015, 04:41 AM
after a recent trip through the puzzle palace the word was fall 2016 for another bid.....more jets going away than coming and more pensioners staying than leaving......

2loud
10-24-2015, 09:25 AM
after a recent trip through the puzzle palace the word was fall 2016 for another bid.....more jets going away than coming and more pensioners staying than leaving......

Growth in number of seats (ERs and RJs) is still growth for the bean counters. Back filling attrition isn't really growth; 150 more pilots than just over a decade ago hardly counts. $1.5 billion gross/$277 mil net profit just isn't good enough, boys & girls! We need to get our costs down. Here comes the openers. Ready, safe, ah crap!

Singlecoil
10-24-2015, 03:11 PM
after a recent trip through the puzzle palace the word was fall 2016 for another bid.....more jets going away than coming and more pensioners staying than leaving......

Yeah, if current rates stay the same through November, the lump sum would be around 2% lower in 2016 than it is in 2015, so probably not enough of a swing to make people considering retirement jump now. Unless they are planning on leaving in January or, then they may as well go December 1st.

F15Cricket
10-24-2015, 09:34 PM
after a recent trip through the puzzle palace the word was fall 2016 for another bid.....more jets going away than coming and more pensioners staying than leaving......

Hmm, interesting. At our LEC meeting last week, the words here were:
- Expect next bid, I think, in Jan to take effect spring, rumored to be another "big bid"
- Current plan is gain 19 ERs in 2016, one-for-one replacing -400s ... until they decide to keep the 400s longer. So, neutral in 2016 on jets, but growing in 2017
- 130+ new hires in 2016, but that's what that said for 2015 until they upped it to 200

Workin
10-24-2015, 11:06 PM
If we don't grow in 2016 then we're just hiring on retirments. That's basicly 50 a year.

ws6formula
10-26-2015, 09:25 PM
Did anyone else in the hiring pool get the email to attend some sort of event in Seattle on the 19th? Any idea what the point of it is?

Mudhen200
10-27-2015, 06:57 AM
The point would be to have a beer on the company dime and hang out with some of the folks that you will soon be flying with. They do quarterly socials in each base. These company socials are usually better attended than ALPA council meetings - although the beer is just as free at both events.
The company knows it will loose about 20% of the guys in the pool. This is just one small way that they are attempting to keep you engaged and in the pool until they give you a class date.

dashtrash300
10-27-2015, 07:02 AM
Looking for a Seattle crashpad if anyone knows of anything. Coming back after a short time on leave. 28 year old, male, married and kids. Pay on time and pretty quiet. Would be a line holder after training gets finished so hopefully won't be there much after the first month.

Thanks!

Klsytakesit
10-27-2015, 09:05 AM
Usually the same crowd of management wanna-be desperados at these events.....any wonder why we have a contract that is 15 years behind the times...telling of the pilot group as a whole....they start training "yes" voters before they have a seniority number.....

Chris Knight
11-04-2015, 03:45 PM
Usually the same crowd of management wanna-be desperados at these events.....any wonder why we have a contract that is 15 years behind the times...telling of the pilot group as a whole....they start training "yes" voters before they have a seniority number.....


I think more and more of the new hires have roughed it through the regional world for a while.. I think such pilots would not be so quick to say yes. I can say there are a lot of the "no voter" types from where I came from. Maybe there will be just enough no's come 2018.. Or will there be a TA sooner?

full of luv
11-04-2015, 04:32 PM
Looking for a Seattle crashpad if anyone knows of anything. Coming back after a short time on leave. 28 year old, male, married and kids. Pay on time and pretty quiet. Would be a line holder after training gets finished so hopefully won't be there much after the first month.

Thanks!

28 married with kids..... You are a quick producer for an airline pilot.

coryk
11-06-2015, 10:17 AM
Anymore hiring updates for next year?

SVA402
11-06-2015, 10:58 AM
Anymore hiring updates for next year?

Nobody can give you anything useful, they change the numbers every time you talk to management depending on what's going on. However, with retirements they will keep hiring. Hearing of a window opening in January.

coryk
11-06-2015, 11:56 AM
Nobody can give you anything useful, they change the numbers every time you talk to management depending on what's going on. However, with retirements they will keep hiring. Hearing of a window opening in January.

Haha, I can imagine. Thanks though, January would be great!

flyingberk
12-21-2015, 09:42 AM
Anything new since last month? Still thinking January for the next window?

N19906
12-22-2015, 08:14 PM
Unknown.
What I can tell you is HR is still scheduling interviews off of previous apps for January.

On a related note, QX says there are three options for AS interview prep: Emerald Coast Interview Consulting, Rainier Flight Svc. and Aviation Training Center.

Does anyone have any comments on these companies? I know Rainier is run by AS aircrew, the other two I know nothing about. Any feedback would be very much appreciated.

Chris Knight
12-22-2015, 08:36 PM
Unknown.
What I can tell you is HR is still scheduling interviews off of previous apps for January.

On a related note, QX says there are three options for AS interview prep: Emerald Coast Interview Consulting, Rainier Flight Svc. and Aviation Training Center.

Does anyone have any comments on these companies? I know Rainier is run by AS aircrew, the other two I know nothing about. Any feedback would be very much appreciated.

Rainier worked pretty well for me, I recommend them.

SVA402
12-22-2015, 08:52 PM
Unknown.
What I can tell you is HR is still scheduling interviews off of previous apps for January.

On a related note, QX says there are three options for AS interview prep: Emerald Coast Interview Consulting, Rainier Flight Svc. and Aviation Training Center.

Does anyone have any comments on these companies? I know Rainier is run by AS aircrew, the other two I know nothing about. Any feedback would be very much appreciated.

All great options but Rainier is the best. I actually did all 3. They all had some value but if I was going to choose 1, Rainier gave me the best info and best prepared me for an Alaska Airlines specific interview (and they are different than other airlines and are looking for different things.) Best of luck!

2loud
12-22-2015, 09:16 PM
Interview preps are definitely highly recommended. The biggest challenge is to convince the hiring board that this is the only place that you want to work even though the pay and bennies are no where near the big three & SWA. Alaskan has always been paranoid of pilots leaving for greener pastures and its inferiority complex is ever growing in the current environment for obvious reasons-just fact.

N19906
12-22-2015, 09:18 PM
Thanks guys!
I'd still I'd like to hear any comments on the other two if anyone has them.;)
(PS: yeah, I want AS; I've got a lot of time invested here, and it's not about the money anymore.)

N19906
12-22-2015, 10:33 PM
Hey, SVA402, care to note any differences between those three?
Thanks.

EskimoJoe
12-23-2015, 03:26 AM
The biggest challenge is to convince the hiring board that this is the only place that you want to work even though the pay and bennies are no where near the big three & SWA. Alaskan has always been paranoid of pilots leaving for greener pastures and its inferiority complex is ever growing in the current environment for obvious reasons-just fact.
Exactly. If they suspect AT ALL you'd leave for another airline you're done. There's something in the Water in Seattle and its concentrated at Alaskan Airways. These people take any suggestion, no matter how slight or implicit, that The Pacific Northwest is NOT the greatest, most magically special place in the universe *PERSONALLY*. It's As if you've insulted their mothers. It's a crazy big inferiority complex and its roots are in Seattle, it's so prevalent at Alaska Airlines because it's owned and operated by Seattleites.

If you don't absolutely gush over your unabated love of ALL THINGS Northwest in your interview they'll be personally insulted. Again, PERSONALLY Insulted. It's the craziest most immature thing you'll ever witness at a major airline and its 100% true. Trust me.

SVA402
12-23-2015, 03:35 AM
Hey, SVA402, care to note any differences between those three?
Thanks.

Sure, I found that Emerald Coast was great in many ways because they taught me a lot about interview techniques and such but it was very general with the idea that the techniques work for every airline. This is sort of true but Alaska is a different animal. ATC is great in their own way too but the people that run it are getting older and it's taking a toll on them. She gets all her info from calling the chief pilot a couple times a year and writing things down and relies heavily on reports back from applicants. Rainier is actually well connected to Alaska and can help you with questions, techniques, etc in addition to truly knowing the latest at Alaska and what they are looking for. None of these would hurt but Rainier is absolutely the best option if you're only choosing one. PM me for further details if you want.

Chris Knight
12-23-2015, 09:00 AM
Thanks guys!
I'd still I'd like to hear any comments on the other two if anyone has them.;)
(PS: yeah, I want AS; I've got a lot of time invested here, and it's not about the money anymore.)

With all the hiring AS has done this year, more people are getting on board that are thinking of jumping. I just heard of a probation pilot who bailed several weeks ago for UAL. I know at least three other pilots hired this year who have their apps out.

They pretty much say the same thing.. That this is their dream job, best place to work, people here are happy... BUT, with thirty-some years left in their career, a job at one of the legacies will pay a lot more, and with overall better work rules. Perhaps the option of wide body flying and Int'l long haul is included in that thought process as well.

I think that at this point in the industry, it's natural to consider other options, considering all the potential seniority growth and significantly higher pay at the Big Three. I compared the pay rates on the 737 between AS and UAL/DAL. CA pay at year 12 at the moment is close. But with UAL looking at a possible 15-20% raise, with even higher rates for w/b flying, I think people are feeling like they should make the jump, despite the positive and unique work culture at AS.

Last I heard, AS has four thousand applications in. Doesn't seem like a supply and demand issue, but I believe the changing climate of the industry will place increased pressure on AS to make some contractual/scope?/pay increases for the better.

Chris Knight
12-23-2015, 09:03 AM
Just realized I quoted the wrong guy.. 2Loud, I was directing to your post.

2loud
12-23-2015, 01:05 PM
With all the hiring AS has done this year, more people are getting on board that are thinking of jumping. I just heard of a probation pilot who bailed several weeks ago for UAL. I know at least three other pilots hired this year who have their apps out.

They pretty much say the same thing.. That this is their dream job, best place to work, people here are happy... BUT, with thirty-some years left in their career, a job at one of the legacies will pay a lot more, and with overall better work rules. Perhaps the option of wide body flying and Int'l long haul is included in that thought process as well.

I think that at this point in the industry, it's natural to consider other options, considering all the potential seniority growth and significantly higher pay at the Big Three. I compared the pay rates on the 737 between AS and UAL/DAL. CA pay at year 12 at the moment is close. But with UAL looking at a possible 15-20% raise, with even higher rates for w/b flying, I think people are feeling like they should make the jump, despite the positive and unique work culture at AS.

Last I heard, AS has four thousand applications in. Doesn't seem like a supply and demand issue, but I believe the changing climate of the industry will place increased pressure on AS to make some contractual/scope?/pay increases for the better.

Loyalty is a two way streak and unfortunately, it just doesn't exist in this day and age. Alaska family or for that matter, "company xx" family is a myth and a lie. We are just pawns and $ making cogs in the mega corporate machine; I get it and have come to terms with it a long ago. Anyone under 40 who is not applying to the big three needs to have their head examined. Of course, you have the crowd who are in hog haven living in Gig Harbor (aka-pilot ghetto) or just in the northwest, who would work for peanuts (yes, we do work for peanuts here at Alaskan) to fly airplanes for a living.:roll eyes: Don't hold your breath hoping for a good contract here at AlaskasWorld. Hell may need to freeze over or SEA & PDX need to fall into the Pacific before that happens.
If I were a new hire with less than 3 years on the property, I'd do a little spread sheet and put out my apps with the big 3. Throw it out there and see if you get an offer. If you like what you see, you can make your decision then. There's no pension plan, pay is way subpar and falling further behind, 401k is only 13.5%, schedule sucks, reserve sucks due to "lack of crews on reserve" bs, cost of living is some of the highest-all 4 bases, commuting is getting harder and harder, trip trading is virtually nonexistent, PBS on the way, work rules are less than desirable, weak pilot group, did I say pay sucks?... what can go wrong? I'm not saying that it's much greener on the other side but at least you will be well compensated for your skills and time. The potential is at least there on the other side. Unfortunately, this "mega regional" may have reached its limit.

Chris Knight
12-23-2015, 03:14 PM
Loyalty is a two way streak and unfortunately, it just doesn't exist in this day and age. Alaska family or for that matter, "company xx" family is a myth and a lie. We are just pawns and $ making cogs in the mega corporate machine; I get it and have come to terms with it a long ago. Anyone under 40 who is not applying to the big three needs to have their head examined. Of course, you have the crowd who are in hog haven living in Gig Harbor (aka-pilot ghetto) or just in the northwest, who would work for peanuts (yes, we do work for peanuts here at Alaskan) to fly airplanes for a living.:roll eyes: Don't hold your breath hoping for a good contract here at AlaskasWorld. Hell may need to freeze over or SEA & PDX need to fall into the Pacific before that happens.
If I were a new hire with less than 3 years on the property, I'd do a little spread sheet and put out my apps with the big 3. Throw it out there and see if you get an offer. If you like what you see, you can make your decision then. There's no pension plan, pay is way subpar and falling further behind, 401k is only 13.5%, schedule sucks, reserve sucks due to "lack of crews on reserve" bs, cost of living is some of the highest-all 4 bases, commuting is getting harder and harder, trip trading is virtually nonexistent, PBS on the way, work rules are less than desirable, weak pilot group, did I say pay sucks?... what can go wrong? I'm not saying that it's much greener on the other side but at least you will be well compensated for your skills and time. The potential is at least there on the other side. Unfortunately, this "mega regional" may have reached its limit.

Sounds like you are past the point of jumping the fence?

2loud
12-23-2015, 03:25 PM
Sounds like you are past the point of jumping the fence?

Anyone can jump ship at any time but it's not a smart move for me at this stage of the game. Anyone with 3 years or less with the company and/or under 40 should consider unless you are close to upgrading. Maybe this pilot group will wake up and go from being Caitlyn to Bruce but it's highly doubtful.

alphasierra01
12-23-2015, 09:53 PM
Anyone can jump ship at any time but it's not a smart move for me at this stage of the game. Anyone with 3 years or less with the company and/or under 40 should consider unless you are close to upgrading. Maybe this pilot group will wake up and go from being Caitlyn to Bruce but it's highly doubtful.If its not a smart move for you to go elsewhere, why complain so much? Why b**** about what you can't control? However you CAN control where you work.

2loud
12-23-2015, 10:18 PM
If its not a smart move for you to go elsewhere, why complain so much? Why b**** about what you can't control? However you CAN control where you work.

You sound like you are management or management's beaaaahtch...the latter I would guess. Oh I see, go work somewhere else if you don't like it here, right? Seeing that we don't have a national seniority list, one can't just uproot and make a lateral movement. Since this is the case, there is such a thing as point of no return in this business (ie. age and seniority) incase you haven't noticed. It's like a super senior captain in his forties at a regional. Senior FOs and FOs who are close to upgrading are pretty much stuck here at the mega regional. Complaining? Hardly. I'm stating mere problems that can be fixed but won't. Why b***h? Because I'm a fhuking pilot, that's why. Any other questions?

SpeedyVagabond
12-25-2015, 11:59 AM
If its not a smart move for you to go elsewhere, why complain so much? Why b**** about what you can't control? However you CAN control where you work.

Actually this is good advice and doesn't make him a management type at all.

Mitch404
12-29-2015, 01:13 PM
My buddy got a thanks but no thanks email today. Seems kind of strange, 9 months after his application. Anyone know if there is possibly a purge happening for a new window opening?

8v8ter
12-29-2015, 02:16 PM
Actually this is good advice and doesn't make him a management type at all.

He is right though and we need to be paid competitively and we have fallen significantly behind. Now I know we were pretty close to competitive, and then the big 3 all got out from under bankruptcy wages, but that's why I voted no to a 5 year contract. The AS guys in the 2 biggest bases need to not be so excited to fly out of the PNW that they are not willing to fight for what we deserve. Have heard stories about new guys being told to not ask for too much or they'll close the base. I think we need to have a mid contract adjustment because we are so far behind now, but don't know if that can be done.
My 2 cents.

starship
12-29-2015, 02:32 PM
My buddy got a thanks but no thanks email today. Seems kind of strange, 9 months after his application. Anyone know if there is possibly a purge happening for a new window opening?

I got the same thing..they'll probably open the window again a few weeks before the WIA job fair.

StarHustler
12-29-2015, 03:04 PM
I got the same thing..they'll probably open the window again a few weeks before the WIA job fair.


I got one today as well, I had to chuckle to myself however, since I already had job offers from Southwest and JetBlue. Anyway, good luck to those still applying.

Reactivity
12-29-2015, 03:59 PM
My buddy got a thanks but no thanks email today. Seems kind of strange, 9 months after his application. Anyone know if there is possibly a purge happening for a new window opening?

I got one of those a few years ago. It was followed by a correction saying something to the effect of, "oops, we didn't really mean that" within 24 hours. It was right before they cleared out all of the old applications in preparation for opening the application window again.

I just got another one today. Given that everyone is expecting the application window to open in January again, maybe this isn't a surprise. I'm waiting for the "oops" message.

Steve400
12-29-2015, 04:12 PM
I got one of those a few years ago. It was followed by a correction saying something to the effect of, "oops, we didn't really mean that" within 24 hours. It was right before they cleared out all of the old applications in preparation for opening the application window again.

I just got another one today. Given that everyone is expecting the application window to open in January again, maybe this isn't a surprise. I'm waiting for the "oops" message.

The 'opps' emails are fairly common at Alaska unfortunately. Myself and few buddies of mine got the TBNT email, followed by the 'opps' several times this last year and they all got hired last month. They even got the TBNT just a few days before their scheduled interviews, which promoted the HR lady to send out a personal 'opps' email to them all the next day. Hopefully AK can figure whats prompting the unintentional TBNT emails and fix the problem. Seems really unprofessional.

David Puddy
12-29-2015, 06:12 PM
What's the newhire time-to-upgrade estimate these days at AS?

AKpilot
12-29-2015, 06:57 PM
What's the newhire time-to-upgrade estimate these days at AS?

ANC Base is usually jr = 8 yrs 6 mos effective Apr 2016
SEA Base about 10 yrs
new hires getting off reserve within 6 mos or less.
It can all change.

wankel7
12-29-2015, 08:18 PM
My buddy got a thanks but no thanks email today. Seems kind of strange, 9 months after his application. Anyone know if there is possibly a purge happening for a new window opening?

I got mine today also.....two job fairs....one internal rec....I have their mins and then some by a lot. Ugh.

I guess it will make for good conversation at the next job fair :/

SVA402
12-29-2015, 08:57 PM
Hey guys getting the email... This is a normal part of their process. They do it for legal reasons to "close out" the applications before opening the window again. Don't fret, just use the opportunity coming up to reapply as a way to give them your latest updated info.

Klsytakesit
12-30-2015, 09:59 PM
It is a normal part of our process....the last time we invested in technology was putting HUD's in the 727......dont be fooled by claims of "legacy"or "major" airline....we are a small, dysfunctional, west coast regional....always have been and always will be.....I like working here because none of the day workers...janitors to ceo really have a clue so no one really cares what you do...,,super laid back....super corny but super laid back

longhauler
12-30-2015, 10:11 PM
It is a normal part of our process....the last time we invested in technology was putting HUD's in the 727......dont be fooled by claims of "legacy"or "major" airline....we are a small, dysfunctional, west coast regional....always have been and always will be.....I like working here because none of the day workers...janitors to ceo really have a clue so no one really cares what you do...,,super laid back....super corny but super laid back
Hmmm, and we should apply with this stellar recommendation of the "upper management"? I realize that HR is all ate up with dumb a** as they all are. The whole TBNT emails is only happening with AS, I wonder why they feel this is the appropriate response to eggar enthusiast qualified professionals verse "please update your profile or it will be flushed from the system."?

2loud
12-31-2015, 11:32 AM
dont be fooled by claims of "legacy"or "major" airline....we are a small, dysfunctional, west coast regional....always have been and always will be.....I like working here because none of the day workers...janitors to ceo really have a clue so no one really cares what you do...,,super laid back....super corny but super laid back

You're so cynical!:D One good thing about this mega regional is that we do have a good group of pilots, with just a few exceptions. Who cares about pay and benefits when we can fly jets, eat half frozen crew meals, and hang out with depends wearing senoritas on prozac!

SmoothLanderJ
12-31-2015, 05:28 PM
You're so cynical!:D One good thing about this mega regional is that we do have a good group of pilots, with just a few exceptions. Who cares about pay and benefits when we can fly jets, eat half frozen crew meals, and hang out with depends wearing senoritas on prozac!

For real...LOL!!!:D

GuppyPuppy
01-01-2016, 04:54 AM
You're so cynical!:D One good thing about this mega regional is that we do have a good group of pilots, with just a few exceptions. Who cares about pay and benefits when we can fly jets, eat half frozen crew meals, and hang out with depends wearing senoritas on prozac!

You guys get crew meals?

GP

2loud
01-01-2016, 09:14 AM
You guys get crew meals?

GP

AMRE-Airline Meal Ready to Eat. It sustains life.

ForeverJunior
01-01-2016, 09:43 AM
You guys get crew meals?

GP

Yeah, crew "meals". They are awful, especially the stuff "catered" out of Seattle. Some of the stuff from the East Coast and Hawaii is decent, but the rest is garbage.

There's a conspiracy theory out there that the crew meals designed to kill you right after you retire. :D

Packrat
01-01-2016, 09:46 AM
You can pretty much judge the quality of the crew meal when the truck pulls up. If it says "GateGourmet" they're pretty decent. If it says "LSG" go back in the terminal and buy something to eat.

priorwhat
01-01-2016, 04:07 PM
So got the tbnt then got an email asking to join the pilot talent community. Just wondering if this is legit before I open it up.

N19906
01-01-2016, 04:55 PM
The what?!?!

priorwhat
01-01-2016, 05:30 PM
Here is the email

Warm greetings and best wishes for a prosperous New Year!

Earlier this week, you received an auto-generated email from our system that appeared to close the door on future opportunities for you here at Alaska. We’re so sorry for that, the email was sent in error. Rather than closing the door, we’d like to open it by inviting you to join our talent community.

The talent community is a new way to allow promising candidates like yourself to express interest in a position at Alaska. From there, we will keep you updated on the status of the First Officer position and let you know when the window opens again. At that time we will invite you to re-apply.

This community doesn’t replace our careers site, where jobs are posted. Instead, it’s an additional way to let us know you continue to be interested and want to hear more from us.

Please follow the link below and click “I’m interested” – you can upload your resume and we’ll know that you’d like us to keep in touch.

Join Alaska's Pilot Talent Community
Explore the entire Talent Community

Thank you for your continued interest in joining Alaska Airlines as a First Officer.

Very best,
Alaska Airlines Recruitment Team

doug_or
01-01-2016, 05:50 PM
Did anyone else with an active app NOT get a TBNT e-mail?

N19906
01-01-2016, 06:34 PM
Got one, but two days later got another one that said "Oops, disregard! So sorry." So now it's ???

AtlCSIP
01-01-2016, 07:20 PM
Same thing

Klsytakesit
01-01-2016, 08:47 PM
Our pilot hiring/hr program is pathetic...."Talent Community"....The cold arrogance/ignorance of Seattle is beyond belief...If I cared any longer I might be embarrased.......

ha xpeh
01-01-2016, 08:47 PM
My app has been in since 2009... Of course re-applied when the app window has been open. I did not get any emails.

Learflyer
01-02-2016, 03:42 AM
Here is the email

Warm greetings and best wishes for a prosperous New Year!

Earlier this week, you received an auto-generated email from our system that appeared to close the door on future opportunities for you here at Alaska. We’re so sorry for that, the email was sent in error. Rather than closing the door, we’d like to open it by inviting you to join our talent community.

The talent community is a new way to allow promising candidates like yourself to express interest in a position at Alaska. From there, we will keep you updated on the status of the First Officer position and let you know when the window opens again. At that time we will invite you to re-apply.

This community doesn’t replace our careers site, where jobs are posted. Instead, it’s an additional way to let us know you continue to be interested and want to hear more from us.

Please follow the link below and click “I’m interested” – you can upload your resume and we’ll know that you’d like us to keep in touch.

Join Alaska's Pilot Talent Community
Explore the entire Talent Community

Thank you for your continued interest in joining Alaska Airlines as a First Officer.

Very best,
Alaska Airlines Recruitment Team

Wouldn't it be easier for them just to have called you in for an interview? Sick of the airline hiring games. :rolleyes:

2loud
01-02-2016, 05:55 PM
Wouldn't it be easier for them just to have called you in for an interview? Sick of the airline hiring games. :rolleyes:
I for one am totally excited about the Talent community. In addition to PDM, Flight Path and other priceless training events, we need to stand up a Talent community workshop. Who's in?

Packrat
01-02-2016, 06:00 PM
I for one am totally excited about the Talent community. In addition to PDM, Flight Path and other priceless training events, we need to stand up a Talent community workshop. Who's in?

You forgot Compass and MVP butt kissing training.

ImperialxRat
01-03-2016, 06:12 PM
I also got the talent community email but haven't joined yet.

dfwflyboy
01-04-2016, 05:34 PM
I got the same emails. TBNT, then one a day later saying it was a mistake and to enter the talent community. I did my profile and just received an email asking for a good time for a 10-15 min phone interview ("phone chat") and that my resume is being reviewed. Anyone else get this? Is this the step just before an in-person interview? Thanks.

OrionDriver
01-04-2016, 06:06 PM
I got the same emails. TBNT, then one a day later saying it was a mistake and to enter the talent community. I did my profile and just received an email asking for a good time for a 10-15 min phone interview ("phone chat") and that my resume is being reviewed. Anyone else get this? Is this the step just before an in-person interview? Thanks.

Not something I have received. Up until the email asking for the chat my experience was identical to yours.

If you don't mind my asking, what do your hours look like? Do you have internal push?

flyingdutchman1
01-04-2016, 08:34 PM
I got the same emails. TBNT, then one a day later saying it was a mistake and to enter the talent community. I did my profile and just received an email asking for a good time for a 10-15 min phone interview ("phone chat") and that my resume is being reviewed. Anyone else get this? Is this the step just before an in-person interview? Thanks.

I got the exact same thing. Not sure what the "phone chat" is. I'm wondering if that is similar to the "meet and greets" that I hear about. Anybody else know?

For those interested:
TT: 10,100hrs
PIC Turbine: 4,500 hrs
Typed in the A320, MD80, and EMB 145
4-year degree

Flitestar
01-04-2016, 10:56 PM
Same here, got the phone interview email... Hope its a good sign.

dfwflyboy
01-05-2016, 06:27 AM
Not something I have received. Up until the email asking for the chat my experience was identical to yours.

If you don't mind my asking, what do your hours look like? Do you have internal push?

I have an internal FO, no one special, but he has been putting in words for me for about a year and nothing. I just reached out again and he said he'll ask around to see what the phone chat is and also to give my internal letter of rec again. my quals are about

6000TT
5500 Turbine SIC (I'm at XJT, so 8+ year upgrade here :()
4 year degree
no failures
1 internal
no job fairs

taters
01-05-2016, 06:51 AM
Got the phone interview as well,

6000 TT
1200 TPIC
4500PIC
4 year degree
Union Position
no internal recs

oldcarpilot
01-05-2016, 06:53 AM
This "talent" thing doesn't seem to let you update anything does it?

mfox7044
01-05-2016, 09:14 AM
I will be submitting an app for the first time when the window opens (currently no app on file). Anyone know if it's possible to join the "talent community" without having an app on file?

turbinepilot123
01-05-2016, 12:08 PM
Has anyone done the phone interview yet? Are they still doing face to face interviews before the next window opens? Apparently Alaska has a "new" HR rep handling the pilot recruiting now.

tailendcharlie
01-05-2016, 12:21 PM
This "talent" thing doesn't seem to let you update anything does it?

The link to upload your resume didn't work for me I entered it manually in what proved to be a pretty clunky interface. I'm assuming they still have all your original app. stuff there somewhere on file.

SVA402
01-05-2016, 03:02 PM
I have an internal FO, no one special, but he has been putting in words for me for about a year and nothing. I just reached out again and he said he'll ask around to see what the phone chat is and also to give my internal letter of rec again. my quals are about

6000TT
5500 Turbine SIC (I'm at XJT, so 8+ year upgrade here :()
4 year degree
no failures
1 internal
no job fairs

Looks like your problem is no job fairs. You won't be competitive without going to them or chief pilot meet and greets. They call a few without them but most people have done 1 or more of those.

Chris Knight
01-05-2016, 05:36 PM
I have an internal FO, no one special, but he has been putting in words for me for about a year and nothing. I just reached out again and he said he'll ask around to see what the phone chat is and also to give my internal letter of rec again. my quals are about

6000TT
5500 Turbine SIC (I'm at XJT, so 8+ year upgrade here :()
4 year degree
no failures
1 internal
no job fairs

An 8 year XJT FO was hired last year. He attended multiple job fairs and had internal recs. There is also someone hired last year with no job fair appearances, but with a unique inside connection. Hang in there, getting the interview invite (anywhere) is the hardest part. Keep workin' it.