Airline Pilot Forums

Airline Pilot Forums was designed to be a community where working airline pilots can share ideas and information about the aviation field. In the forum you will find information about major and regional airline carriers, career training, interview and job seeker help, finance, and living the airline pilot lifestyle.




View Full Version : AA pilot age demographic


kingairip
02-06-2014, 07:09 PM
Guy over on another thread posted this graph of Delta pilots' age vs seniority number. Can anyone produce a similar graph for AA? Would be interesting to see how many younger than 40 guys are on property...

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad230/ForgottoBid/Temp16_zpsfa04f4af.png


aa73
02-07-2014, 03:35 AM
crew age per fleet, formatting may be screwy:

Captains
Age 320 737 767 777 S80 Total
65 0 0 0 2 0 2
64 0 6 13 23 16 58
63 0 9 20 37 13 79
62 1 11 26 29 26 93
61 1 32 43 31 28 135
60 2 38 61 42 36 179
59 5 65 108 63 51 292
58 8 99 104 71 61 343
57 14 112 115 50 74 365
56 9 159 110 36 81 395
55 12 181 99 33 88 413
54 19 126 93 20 86 344
53 24 147 71 13 76 331
52 35 138 56 8 61 298
51 15 74 30 3 56 178
50 12 52 14 2 39 119
49 5 28 6 0 20 59
48 7 19 5 0 10 41
47 1 13 2 0 7 23
46 1 2 1 0 2 6
45 0 1 1 0 0 2
44 0 0 0 0 1 1
43 0 1 0 0 0 1
42 0 1 0 0 0 1
Total 171 1314 978 463 832 3758




First Officers
Age 320 737 767 777 S80 Total
64 0 4 3 4 2 13
63 2 0 9 4 5 20
62 0 9 6 14 2 31
61 0 13 9 15 5 42
60 5 20 11 33 15 84
59 4 29 19 35 16 103
58 0 35 40 50 29 154
57 5 49 30 65 41 190
56 3 42 46 74 32 197
55 4 51 55 75 44 229
54 6 72 69 93 47 287
53 6 73 108 88 46 321
52 7 106 104 74 54 345
51 9 98 106 56 49 318
50 14 106 98 58 64 340
49 13 110 84 25 49 281
48 14 107 73 28 56 278
47 13 117 78 14 47 269
46 11 94 80 10 58 253
45 10 76 71 5 37 199
44 7 46 37 6 30 126
43 4 41 32 3 24 104
42 6 23 20 2 13 64
41 3 18 7 2 11 41
40 1 15 13 0 5 34
39 0 8 1 0 2 11
38 0 4 2 0 2 8
37 0 3 0 0 0 3
36 1 1 0 0 2 4
35 0 0 0 0 2 2
34 2 0 3 0 0 5
32 2 0 3 0 1 6
29 1 0 0 0 1 2
28 1 0 0 0 0 1
26 0 0 0 0 1 1
Total 154 1370 1217 833 792 4366
Grand Total 325 2684 2195 1296 1624 8124

Hoss
02-07-2014, 04:00 AM
A twenty six year old in one of the first new-hire classes? Lucky bastard! He or she is going to have a heck of a career.


full of luv
02-07-2014, 04:06 AM
Hope so for all our sake! Unfortunately that's what the 40 yr old was thinking 13 yrs ago when starting at aa. Hasn't quite panned out though.

aa73
02-07-2014, 04:28 AM
A twenty six year old in one of the first new-hire classes? Lucky bastard! He or she is going to have a heck of a career.

That pilot is none other than the son of AA 11's F/O on 9/11. We are very happy to have him!

NC3rd
02-07-2014, 04:37 AM
That pilot is none other than the son of AA 11's F/O on 9/11. We are very happy to have him!

That's awesome.

glasspilot
02-07-2014, 04:38 AM
A twenty six year old in one of the first new-hire classes? Lucky bastard! He or she is going to have a heck of a career.


When I was hired in 1988 there were guys younger than that! Some of the new hire classes had guys 22 to 24. I have no idea how someone can get the min qualifications (including 4 year degree) by that young age. I guess I was a dumb *ss, I was 30 when I was hired at TWA.

UNDPilot
02-07-2014, 04:42 AM
Anyone have the numbers for the US side?

TXav8r13
02-07-2014, 04:43 AM
Great info thanks for posting. How recent is this data? Does it include the class that started this week?

aa73
02-07-2014, 04:44 AM
Very recent... however it may not have this latest class yet, as I'm pretty sure we have a 24 yr old in that one. Wow!

NERD
02-07-2014, 05:15 AM
Awesome! Very classy AA

That pilot is none other than the son of AA 11's F/O on 9/11. We are very happy to have him!

RonWeasley
02-07-2014, 05:31 AM
That pilot is none other than the son of AA 11's F/O on 9/11. We are very happy to have him!

Here's a great piece on young Tom: Faith and a Father's Legacy: The Tom McGuinness Story - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibec-N-AGuk)

kingairip
02-07-2014, 05:43 AM
Thanks for the info. I would like to see the US Airways info too. Maybe R57relay can find it somewhere?

So...anyone who gets hired in their 20s is going to have a great career at any legacy airline. Pretty much true for 30-somethings too. How about the older crowd...looks like a retiring military person (around the age of 42) would be in a better seniority position at retirement at AA than Delta and probably United too (but, that's just a guess) The US East side has probably hired around 500 since 2007 and 90% of them were probably under 40. The US West side is a young(ish) group, I think. They hired quite a bit, I think, between 2002 and 2006...I could be wrong. I think they're around 1,500 total...maybe half of them are below 40 or so? In 20 years, someone hired now could probably hope to be in the top 1500 or so at AA, right? Probably higher there than anywhere else?

kingairip
02-07-2014, 05:49 AM
Here's a great piece on young Tom: Faith and a Father's Legacy: The Tom McGuinness Story - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibec-N-AGuk)

I can't imagine the pain of losing your dad at the age of 14...especially considering how close it sounds like they were. Glad to see he got on board.

meyers9163
02-07-2014, 05:51 AM
A twenty six year old in one of the first new-hire classes? Lucky bastard! He or she is going to have a heck of a career.

I'm 29 and know of a lot at Airways younger.... It all just depends..... We seem to be hiring a good mix of ages which will hopefully help at retirement ages for staffing/continual movement.

That video will bring dry eyes and make them wet..... Very glad to have him on board.

biigD
02-07-2014, 06:13 AM
That pilot is none other than the son of AA 11's F/O on 9/11. We are very happy to have him!

That's incredible. Very cool.

lolwut
02-07-2014, 06:22 AM
crew age per fleet, formatting may be screwy:

Captains
Age 320 737 767 777 S80 Total
65 0 0 0 2 0 2
64 0 6 13 23 16 58
63 0 9 20 37 13 79
62 1 11 26 29 26 93
61 1 32 43 31 28 135
60 2 38 61 42 36 179
59 5 65 108 63 51 292
58 8 99 104 71 61 343
57 14 112 115 50 74 365
56 9 159 110 36 81 395
55 12 181 99 33 88 413
54 19 126 93 20 86 344
53 24 147 71 13 76 331
52 35 138 56 8 61 298
51 15 74 30 3 56 178
50 12 52 14 2 39 119
49 5 28 6 0 20 59
48 7 19 5 0 10 41
47 1 13 2 0 7 23
46 1 2 1 0 2 6
45 0 1 1 0 0 2
44 0 0 0 0 1 1
43 0 1 0 0 0 1
42 0 1 0 0 0 1
Total 171 1314 978 463 832 3758




First Officers
Age 320 737 767 777 S80 Total
64 0 4 3 4 2 13
63 2 0 9 4 5 20
62 0 9 6 14 2 31
61 0 13 9 15 5 42
60 5 20 11 33 15 84
59 4 29 19 35 16 103
58 0 35 40 50 29 154
57 5 49 30 65 41 190
56 3 42 46 74 32 197
55 4 51 55 75 44 229
54 6 72 69 93 47 287
53 6 73 108 88 46 321
52 7 106 104 74 54 345
51 9 98 106 56 49 318
50 14 106 98 58 64 340
49 13 110 84 25 49 281
48 14 107 73 28 56 278
47 13 117 78 14 47 269
46 11 94 80 10 58 253
45 10 76 71 5 37 199
44 7 46 37 6 30 126
43 4 41 32 3 24 104
42 6 23 20 2 13 64
41 3 18 7 2 11 41
40 1 15 13 0 5 34
39 0 8 1 0 2 11
38 0 4 2 0 2 8
37 0 3 0 0 0 3
36 1 1 0 0 2 4
35 0 0 0 0 2 2
34 2 0 3 0 0 5
32 2 0 3 0 1 6
29 1 0 0 0 1 2
28 1 0 0 0 0 1
26 0 0 0 0 1 1
Total 154 1370 1217 833 792 4366
Grand Total 325 2684 2195 1296 1624 8124

How many newhires (post-merger) does this include?

aa73
02-07-2014, 06:30 AM
Well we've had 3 classes since Jan with about 10-20 new hires each so around 50-60? I don't think the last class is accounted for in this total though...

lolwut
02-07-2014, 06:34 AM
Well we've had 3 classes since Jan with about 10-20 new hires each so around 50-60? I don't think the last class is accounted for in this total though...

Any idea what the youngest pre-merger pilot is?

Sliceback
02-07-2014, 06:43 AM
Guessing that it doesn't include the latest class since they would have had to update the info and post it within a day or two of the class starting.

Sliceback
02-07-2014, 06:46 AM
"In 20 years, someone hired now could probably hope to be in the top 1500 or so at AA, right? Probably higher there than anywhere else?"


Using the data posted AA only has about 410 guys under 45 yrs old. So a 45 yr old hired this week would retire at #411(assuming everyone makes it to 65).

kingairip
02-07-2014, 07:05 AM
Using the data posted AA only has about 410 guys under 45 yrs old. So a 45 yr old hired this week would retire at #411(assuming everyone makes it to 65).

You got to figure all the folks at US right now would be senior to someone hired at AA this week. (Maybe that's not a good assumption and APA has something planned...:cool: ) But, I think it's fairly safe to say that...that said, US has around 1,000 - 1,500 below 45 (I'm guessing...maybe more.)

Hoss
02-07-2014, 07:11 AM
"In 20 years, someone hired now could probably hope to be in the top 1500 or so at AA, right? Probably higher there than anywhere else?"


Using the data posted AA only has about 410 guys under 45 yrs old. So a 45 yr old hired this week would retire at #411(assuming everyone makes it to 65).

I do not think that is accurate. I am a 45 year old former TWA pilot and my seniority calculator shows me retiring at 562 in 2033.

aa73
02-07-2014, 08:25 AM
Any idea what the youngest pre-merger pilot is?

I believe the age was 38. Could be wrong though.

CaptainBigWood
02-07-2014, 09:05 AM
Guy over on another thread posted this graph of Delta pilots' age vs seniority number. Can anyone produce a similar graph for AA? Would be interesting to see how many younger than 40 guys are on property...

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad230/ForgottoBid/Temp16_zpsfa04f4af.png
This chart looks like red blood cells. Could be symbolic of the blood extracted from USAirways in the SLI. Ha

Sliceback
02-07-2014, 12:27 PM
I do not think that is accurate. I am a 45 year old former TWA pilot and my seniority calculator shows me retiring at 562 in 2033.

Your data is more accurate. Seniority projection has everyone on the seniority list. Posted data is the guys in property and doesn't have deferral data.

bluelion
02-07-2014, 12:57 PM
[QUOTE=aa73;1576198]That pilot is none other than the son of AA 11's F/O on 9/11. We are very happy to have him![/

R57 relay
02-07-2014, 04:54 PM
Thanks for the info. I would like to see the US Airways info too. Maybe R57relay can find it somewhere?

So...anyone who gets hired in their 20s is going to have a great career at any legacy airline. Pretty much true for 30-somethings too. How about the older crowd...looks like a retiring military person (around the age of 42) would be in a better seniority position at retirement at AA than Delta and probably United too (but, that's just a guess) The US East side has probably hired around 500 since 2007 and 90% of them were probably under 40. The US West side is a young(ish) group, I think. They hired quite a bit, I think, between 2002 and 2006...I could be wrong. I think they're around 1,500 total...maybe half of them are below 40 or so? In 20 years, someone hired now could probably hope to be in the top 1500 or so at AA, right? Probably higher there than anywhere else?

I haven't seen US numbers in a while. After the Nic fight it came very convoluted. I'm sure the merger committee has it, but probably not to eager to release it in any certain order.

After the Nic award came out an east guy put out a great tool that showed your premerger US progression and your Nic. He pulled it after USAPA came around.

How about the DL guy sitting around #800 at age 50!

Knight-Rider
02-07-2014, 04:59 PM
The #2 guy on UPS seniority list was born in 1964. How's that for a career?