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Coolbeans
07-02-2014, 12:24 PM
Hey guys I hope this does not breakdown into a bashing one vs the other but I am trying to understand how Skywest is able to continue to put itself in a position to grow and the other side of the house is has not seen any gains. Does Skywest have things in its crew contracts that put it in a better position then express jet or is it the agreements that express jet has with its mainline partners that is really putting the handcuffs on growth and expansions?


8ballfreight
07-02-2014, 12:45 PM
There is a lot of history to expressjet that happend before it was part Skyw that set it on the track it is on.
Not all fees collected on departure are created equal.
I don't think people really believe that expressjet pilots are rolling in cash, and if what they make is considered too expensive, well that is just sad.

gold
07-02-2014, 12:53 PM
Read a Skywest inc 10k report.


BrewCity
07-02-2014, 02:37 PM
There are really only two facts you need to infer your own conclusion:

1. Skywest Airlines employees are cheaper than Expressjet Airlines Employees
2. Skywest Inc. management is vehemently anti-union

amcnd
07-02-2014, 02:39 PM
SkyWest is "inc's" babby, first born, first love, ect.... Its like growing up and your parents make you buy your own car. Yet buy your sister a convertiable bug for her 16th bday... The analogies could go on and on....

Bozo
07-02-2014, 03:24 PM
Hey guys I hope this does not breakdown into a bashing one vs the other but I am trying to understand how Skywest is able to continue to put itself in a position to grow and the other side of the house is has not seen any gains. Does Skywest have things in its crew contracts that put it in a better position then express jet or is it the agreements that express jet has with its mainline partners that is really putting the handcuffs on growth and expansions?

Skywest does not work under a labor contract. They are at will employees.

GravyRobber
07-03-2014, 08:32 AM
Not to start an argument at all, but I'd be curious to compare W-2's between equivalent employees, because I don't think the difference would be that big.

rcfd13
07-03-2014, 08:54 AM
Not to start an argument at all, but I'd be curious to compare W-2's between equivalent employees, because I don't think the difference would be that big.

My friends at XJT with similar seniority to me make a lot more money than me due to double time and abusing their vacation time to drop trips. Our paychecks aren't even close.

Waitingformins
07-03-2014, 09:30 AM
Whats close?

GravyRobber
07-03-2014, 10:13 AM
Like I said, I'd be curious to compare W-2's. What seat/seniority are your friends, and what was their W-2 (roughly)? I'd agree if their FO's are making over $60K, but we don't know unless we compare actual W-2's.

As an FO, I've consistently had 50-55 for the last 5 years, almost 60 in 2013.

Nevets
07-03-2014, 11:03 AM
Not to start an argument at all, but I'd be curious to compare W-2's between equivalent employees, because I don't think the difference would be that big.

This would only be a fair comparison if you include things that don't show up on W2s. Things like 401k matching, company defined contributions, and insurance premiums paid by the company. Then dividing that total compensation by your actual hours flown.

Also, the JNC said that the concessionary TA that later failed, was worth about $12 million more per year compared to Skywest book. Management said they would trade the TA for Skywest book, if that gives you any indication. Lastly, in 2008, when Inc tried to buy XJT the first time, JA said that XJT pilots needed to take a 16% concession (pre XJT 7% concession) to be at parity with the average Skywest total compensation.


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Originally Posted by GravyRobber


Not to start an argument at all, but I'd be curious to compare W-2's between equivalent employees, because I don't think the difference would be that big.




My friends at XJT with similar seniority to me make a lot more money than me due to double time and abusing their vacation time to drop trips. Our paychecks aren't even close.

Why is it abuse? Vacation trip drops are part of the contract that both sides agreed to. Otherwise I'm going to say management is abusing the pilots for paying us 7% less even though we agreed to it.

fastback
07-03-2014, 03:37 PM
Nevets, you're quoting Inc. management as an objective source? Specifically, Jerry, when he was trying to get you to take concessions? Ok.

Nevets
07-03-2014, 04:26 PM
Nevets, you're quoting Inc. management as an objective source? Specifically, Jerry, when he was trying to get you to take concessions? Ok.

Yeah, I'm sure that the 16% was a low ball figure. Why would he tell us the truth and ask for bigger concessions in order for him to buy XJT? The bigger the concession he asks for, the less likely we are to accept. So he either told the truth or the disparity is even bigger. For sake of conversation, I was just going by what he told us.

But like I said, management was more than happy for us to take Skywest book instead of the last TA. And that TA was at least $12 million a year more lucrative for the pilots than Skywest book.