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inline five
08-22-2014, 05:45 PM
In a recent email from USAPA I noticed RJ flying is currently capped at 30%, to increase to 40% in a graduated scale over the next couple years.

Do they not realize that once scope is gone, it won't ever come back?

Who cares about pay rates when you are outsourcing more and more of your flying? It seems they really have a hard on for "DAL/UAL rates" but have lost sight of some really important aspects as well, IMO.


Saabs
08-22-2014, 07:08 PM
Old news. Are you not familiar with the MOU? If you worked here u were part of the vote. What are you missing? ??

inline five
08-22-2014, 07:50 PM
APA/USAPA talk big about re-capturing flying, "holding the line" etc but outsourcing your feed an additional 33% over several years doesn't coincide with that thought.

Hopefully 3rd listers will start to permeate the union structure soon, with guys who spent a long time at the regionals and know the dangers of outsourcing.

Retirement #'s/projections are only good if the jobs remain at mainline.


algflyr
08-22-2014, 09:27 PM
Retirement #'s/projections are only good if the jobs remain at mainline.

Well it is a percentage of the mainline fleet. And they are basically at the max now. The next few years will see a lot of new aircraft at mainline and some new RJ's that will probably see the 40% match. From then on, if a mainline aircraft leaves and not replaced, an RJ must also leave. And if they want more RJ's, they can have them as long as more mainline aircraft are added to keep the percentages in line.

I would be curious to know the percentage limit at Delta and United...

flybywire44
09-12-2014, 06:22 AM
Everyone, I want to point out at USAPA made a definitive declaration that they will not surrender any further scope. APA has not made this declaration, and does remain open to surrendering scope in this JCBA negotiation!!!!

APA's lack of public commitment regarding scope is disappointing.


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Dolphinflyer
09-12-2014, 06:37 AM
Relax.

Grandstanding statements on bullet points are just as worthless.

I can assure you from the APA side that one single rumor about one single APA Board member regarding SCOPE brought out every "villager" into the town square with torches and pitchforks for a witch burning.

We're not giving an inch.

7576FO
09-12-2014, 07:28 AM
Relax.

Grandstanding statements on bullet points are just as worthless.

I can assure you from the APA side that one single rumor about one single APA Board member regarding SCOPE brought out every "villager" into the town square with torches and pitchforks for a witch burning.

We're not giving an inch.


Dolphin is Correct! There was a rumor that AA asked for 81 seats. The rumor went on to say that the BOD of APA was entertaining the idea.
But we did let our voices be heard.

Just because APA didn't Publicly state it's position, doesn't mean they are acquiescing to management.

We did get a email or hotline saying they have no intentions of caving on scope.

7576

R57 relay
09-12-2014, 07:34 AM
As far behind DL as we are I can't see the APA giving anything up. I just hope they have someone on their side, make that our side, that is as good as those on the company's. They always seem to get more than they give. They are really, really good at it.

strikeagledrivr
09-12-2014, 08:36 AM
Relax.

Grandstanding statements on bullet points are just as worthless.

I can assure you from the APA side that one single rumor about one single APA Board member regarding SCOPE brought out every "villager" into the town square with torches and pitchforks for a witch burning.

We're not giving an inch.

Excellent!!!!!!!!!

flyinawa
09-12-2014, 09:37 AM
Everyone, I want to point out at USAPA made a definitive declaration that they will not surrender any further scope. APA has not made this declaration, and does remain open to surrendering scope in this JCBA negotiation!!!!

APA's lack of public commitment regarding scope is disappointing.


Everyone, I want to point out USAPA might as well make a definitive declaration they're fighting to ensure every member of the pilot group gets a pony. As a lame duck outgoing union, they have ZERO influence with the company or anyone else. It's up to APA to deal with this and clearly they are aware of how significant of an issue this is.

flybywire44
09-12-2014, 09:38 AM
You are aware this is a discussion about scope?

USAPA as a union called for all unions to echo their call. The same USAPA negotiators who supported this statement are currently your pending JCBA.