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Arado 234
09-13-2014, 03:51 PM
I am surprised that no one mourns the loss of PNC for DH. Can somebody explain USAPA's reasoning to let that one go? The union reps I have flown with in Philly land are all dead against the decision blaming CLT.

An interesting rumor I came across is that CB in CLT envied his colleagues on the 75 take 130 hours home with them. Heard it more than once... :rolleyes: (so it must be "true"...)

Whenever I bring up this issues I get replies about premium pay. As a commuter it doesn't do me any good if I get a call from scheduling at 3 am for a 8 am departure.

Why did we give away PNC for DH? :eek:


inline five
09-13-2014, 05:12 PM
I can count on one hand how many times I have been DH'd around the system. My guess was it was dropped for something more useful.

The Drizzle
09-13-2014, 05:20 PM
I can count on one hand how many times I have been DH'd around the system. My guess was it was dropped for something more useful.


Not exactly dropped for something else, but since it's pay AND credit it counts toward your monthly max/min. In theory you should be working less if DHs were still a large part of your schedule in the past. It sucks for the reserves and for those who would try to pad their pay with a bunch of PNC.


Hueypilot
09-13-2014, 06:26 PM
I can count on one hand how many times I have been DH'd around the system. My guess was it was dropped for something more useful.

I was DH'd 5 times in the past month and a half...

Thedude
09-14-2014, 12:51 AM
So about 20-25% of the company is punished with the loss of DH pay.
What did we get in return?

FreighterGuyNow
09-14-2014, 05:00 AM
Ask the APA.

Pacman
09-14-2014, 05:50 AM
DH pay and credit requires more lines to be built and more dues-paying pilots to fly those lines.

R57 relay
09-14-2014, 07:09 AM
^^^^^

That's what I heard. It was going away with the MOU, and USAPA leaders wanted to hurry up it's demise to get more butts in the seats. I don't think the training dept. can make that happen any faster.

deiter67
09-14-2014, 02:55 PM
Ask the APA.
OK Brainiac, how did APA have anything to do with this decision? Please enlighten me oh wise one.

ackattacker
09-14-2014, 03:29 PM
OK Brainiac, how did APA have anything to do with this decision? Please enlighten me oh wise one.

3 posts, you're off to a great start tossing the insults into a civil discussion.

APA negotiated the contract at American that has DH as 100% Pay and Credit. LCC had 50% Pay No Credit.

The MOU signed by both LCC and AA pilots adopts the AA contract almost in its entirety. Including the 100% Pay and Credit negotiated by APA. I suppose USAPA could have fought it but I don't see why they would, it's an improvement for most of the pilot group (100% pay) and as noted results in more pilots in seats which makes everybody a little more senior.

cactiboss
09-14-2014, 03:47 PM
The west has 100% pay and credit.

flybywire44
09-15-2014, 05:51 PM
I am surprised that no one mourns the loss of PNC for DH. Can somebody explain USAPA's reasoning to let that one go? The union reps I have flown with in Philly land are all dead against the decision blaming CLT.

An interesting rumor I came across is that CB in CLT envied his colleagues on the 75 take 130 hours home with them. Heard it more than once... (so it must be "true"...)

Whenever I bring up this issues I get replies about premium pay. As a commuter it doesn't do me any good if I get a call from scheduling at 3 am for a 8 am departure.

Why did we give away PNC for DH?

PNC DH benefitted reserves most, and no one will be on reserve long if they don't want to be.

DCA A321 FO
09-15-2014, 06:10 PM
3 posts, you're off to a great start tossing the insults into a civil discussion.

APA negotiated the contract at American that has DH as 100% Pay and Credit. LCC had 50% Pay No Credit.

The MOU signed by both LCC and AA pilots adopts the AA contract almost in its entirety. Including the 100% Pay and Credit negotiated by APA. I suppose USAPA could have fought it but I don't see why they would, it's an improvement for most of the pilot group (100% pay) and as noted results in more pilots in seats which makes everybody a little more senior.

Also DH in biz class across the Atlantic :-)

Arado 234
09-16-2014, 03:30 AM
PNC DH benefitted reserves most, and no one will be on reserve long if they don't want to be.

It helped (financially) me as a line holder. Caribbean day trips: SXM, AUA. Some months I got a 100+ hour credit.