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Iron Maiden
09-23-2014, 11:19 AM
Since I'm about to be single again, I'm going to apply for the Hong Kong Airlines A320 Non-Typed F/O job, I have some questions on how to fill out the sections in the picture below. I don't understand the P1/P2 info. Maybe I can put in my SIC time in the P2 time? As far as the knowledge areas, can I put in the date of my ATP written?

http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s456/mmouseAV8R/hkapp_zps4c2d2f36.jpg (http://s1052.photobucket.com/user/mmouseAV8R/media/hkapp_zps4c2d2f36.jpg.html)


Kenny
09-23-2014, 03:12 PM
IM,

Yep, P1 is the same as PIC. P2 is the equivalent to SIC and P1/US is when you're logging PIC but "under supervision". In other words dual received.

I fly in that part of the world, now and have quite a few friends at Asian carriers or based in Hong Kong. If you need any other info, feel free to PM me.

Good luck.

GreenTailWhale
09-23-2014, 09:06 PM
A bit of a correction, in Hong Kong under CAD rules, p1 u/s is logged when a FO is P1 (pic) type rated, and is operating as the PF (pilot flying). Time spent as RQ, or Relief Command, is also logged as p1 u/s. You can't log p1 u/s if you are not p1 rated.


Iron Maiden
09-24-2014, 02:59 PM
Thanks for the info. really appreciate it. For the -145 because I'm PIC rated but haven't upgraded yet, I can sum up all the legs I've flown and that total will go under the P1 (U/S) and flight time in my last 2 airplanes will go under the P2 since my type in those is limited to SIC privileges? Thanks for the clarification. I'll put in the date of my ATP written for the knowledge areas.

GreenTailWhale
09-24-2014, 11:31 PM
If you are p1 rated, yes, right seat flight time as PF can be logged as p1 u/s if you keep your p1 rating current.

flapshalfspeed
09-26-2014, 11:53 AM
If you are p1 rated, yes, right seat flight time as PF can be logged as p1 u/s if you keep your p1 rating current.

With the FAA certification changes for 121 operators last July (2013), airlines had to start "type rating" all FOs on aircraft. While a typical ERJ/CRJ FO in the USA is now type rated on their license (with no more "SIC-only" limitations), they are not actually qualified to act as PIC or fly as PIC on type on any revenue flights conducted under part 121. They have not completed IOE, landings in the actual aircraft as PIC, or completed their "Fed Ride" with the FAA or company APD.

On the other hand, when staffing requires it, it is common for US airlines to utilize PIC typed AND qualified Captains in the right seat. And many corporate operators use two typed and qualified Captains for insurance discounts, safety, etc. (i.e. a 2 Captain crew).

I am not sure how the HK authorities would interpret this, or if your interpretation is correct.

In my humble opinion for US 121 airline time, I would convert as follows:

1) P1 = PIC time when you are typed AND qualified by the operator/FAA to operate as PIC

2) P1 U/S = your Captain IOE, subsequent to passing upgrade training/checkride in the operator's approved upgrade training program; additionally, and part 91 flights where you were PF as an FO (since part 91 only requires the PIC type rating--not operator-specific upgrade training).

3) P2 = any 121 time where you are FO, regardless of whether you are PF or PNF, since you are not qualified to act as PIC on any 121 flights without completing upgrade training through your airline.

This is interesting stuff and I'd like to hear your response.

joepilot
09-26-2014, 02:36 PM
How does this work for long range flights (over 12 hours non-stop) where there is one Captain rated pilot and three type rated F/Os?

I know that the Captain is still PIC even in the bunk, and none of the F/Os have had the Captain IOE, but I believe that, according to US rules whichever type rated F/O is pilot flying while the Captain is in the bunk is allowed to log PIC for that time.

I am trying to reconcile that with China rules.

Joe

GreenTailWhale
09-26-2014, 04:54 PM
What I wrote is not an interpretation. It is out of a HKG registered airlines ops manual (not Hong Kong Airlines). But I would agree that per the FAA, FOs log SIC. If you want to hear it from the source, call the HKCAD and speak with an inspector and verify what I wrote. The number is listed on the website. I will say, everything I wrote is based on a HKCAD license...not an FAA.

GreenTailWhale
09-26-2014, 04:56 PM
Relief Command time, even if a fully qualified Captain...is counted as p1 u/s. Only the designated Commander may log p1. This goes for HKG/China. Not FAA.

GreenTailWhale
09-26-2014, 05:18 PM
Ultimately, it's a difficult decision...as you don't currently have a HKCAD ATPL. Your absolute safest bet, is to call the HKCAD. You can't fail with that plan of action. Good luck with Hk airlines/express. Hong Kong is a GREAT place to spend a few years partying, especially as a single person. Just make sure you buy a air purifier. And avoid living in Tung Chung, Central all the way!

Bushmaster09
09-28-2014, 07:38 AM
Does anyone in here know somebody working for Hong Kong Airlines (not hong kong express or any other airline there)?? I passed the interview a few months back and have some quetions. And no, I was not typed on the A320, so they are actually taking non rated guys, though I was the only one in my interview without the rating.

PCLCREW
09-30-2014, 08:42 PM
Does anyone in here know somebody working for Hong Kong Airlines (not hong kong express or any other airline there)?? I passed the interview a few months back and have some quetions. And no, I was not typed on the A320, so they are actually taking non rated guys, though I was the only one in my interview without the rating.

They have a lot of TR A320 people coming in, could be why your not hearing anything. Supply and demand.
If they have to pay for your type your on the bottom of the list.
Stinks.

The Dominican
10-05-2014, 05:56 AM
They have a lot of TR A320 people coming in.

Not doubting what you are saying but, Where from? It seems that the A320 typed and qualified market is getting tight out there. :confused:

PCLCREW
10-05-2014, 04:55 PM
They have a lot of TR A320 people coming in.

Not doubting what you are saying but, Where from? It seems that the A320 typed and qualified market is getting tight out there. :confused:

Ya that's what I thought also, got a friend from OZ and he said they have a pretty good flow of Aussies that either bought or had an A320 type.
That's what he said. I still don't believe it myself, but I guess that's the word.

Iron Maiden
10-09-2014, 11:39 AM
I emailed the HK Civil Aviation Authorities about this, but right now no reply. I'll try to call them tonight and get an answer.

jetzzz
11-04-2014, 02:58 PM
any new updates on HK airlines? and anyone did the interview recently for Non rated Airbus 320 f.o. position?

thanks

BizPilot
11-05-2014, 10:59 AM
Is the Class 1 medical in Hong Kong like the one they give in China?

BaronRouge380
11-05-2014, 02:23 PM
What would be the pay and benefits for non rated a320 FO?
Anyone has the updated requirements?

A320fbw
11-06-2014, 12:26 AM
Is the Class 1 medical in Hong Kong like the one they give in China?

I have not taken a Class 1 in china so I can't compare but I did have class 1 medical in HKAD. They do ultrasound of the abdominal, chest xray, urine test, blood test (only 1 vial for HIV), hearing test, eye sight, and EKG I believe. Nothing hard like what I've been hearing from China.

outaluckagain
11-10-2014, 06:45 PM
Not doubting what you are saying but, Where from? It seems that the A320 typed and qualified market is getting tight out there. :confused:

I was just looking at that a few minutes ago. I don't understand where all of these typed people would be coming from. Some have said it is from CX, but that really wouldn't be the case since they are paid pretty well by the time they are typed. I am not believing it.

PCLCREW
11-11-2014, 11:09 AM
Not doubting what you are saying but, Where from? It seems that the A320 typed and qualified market is getting tight out there. :confused:

I was just looking at that a few minutes ago. I don't understand where all of these typed people would be coming from. Some have said it is from CX, but that really wouldn't be the case since they are paid pretty well by the time they are typed. I am not believing it.

I've heard Tiger and Silk being thrown out there.

outaluckagain
11-11-2014, 12:32 PM
I've heard Tiger and Silk being thrown out there.

That sounds logical, and CX doesn't have 320 type.

Shibuya
11-13-2014, 12:10 PM
Where might the typed 320 guys be coming from? Probably Europe. I met a Wizzair FO who told me he makes ~1000 Euros a month...

Iron Maiden
11-13-2014, 10:16 PM
I was at the job fair/interview for Beijing Capital Airlines hosted by Wasinc in Miami at the Pan Am Academy. One of the heads of Wasinc mentioned to me that HK Airlines received 4,000 apps when they opened the window for Non-typed pilots. Hopefully you'll guys will get a call.