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MusDg
12-09-2014, 06:43 PM
So here is the scenario: You have a qualified and current multi engine private pilot with an instrument rating, you have a CFI, CFII, MEI, and the airplane is a Beech Duke. The pilot needs an IPC. The instructor doesn't have 10 hours in a Duke. Can this instructor perform the IPC? The gray area that has opinions flying on this is that is the instructor providing multi engine instruction, just instrument instruction or both? I have my opinion and a safe alternate to this but I don't want to taint the post just yet.


r0cknry
12-09-2014, 07:38 PM
Wouldn't the instructor technically only need 5 hours in a Duke to give instruction in it or am I remembering this wrong?

JamesNoBrakes
12-09-2014, 08:31 PM
(f) Training received in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift. A flight instructor may not give training required for the issuance of a certificate or rating in a multiengine airplane, a helicopter, or a powered-lift unless that flight instructor has at least 5 flight hours of pilot-in-command time in the specific make and model of multiengine airplane, helicopter, or powered-lift, as appropriate

Is this training required for the "issuance" of a certificate or rating? I think your answer lies there :)

Now, whether or not this is a good idea...


MusDg
12-10-2014, 08:49 AM
You are correct. I misspoke with saying 10 hours. That number is stuck in my head from the insurance company and not the FAR.

That was my opinion too. It's not for the issuance of a certificate or rating. It's most likely not going to be a one time, one hour flight, ink in the log book and then you're done kind of deal either. The pilot knows this too. I suggested that the MEI sit as a safety pilot in VMC conditions, get five hours, and then do the IPC. The owner/pilot was ok with this and said they would like that because they feel they would be competent and not just current IFR.

wizepilot
12-11-2014, 07:25 AM
Exactly. Technically, even if you have CFI-I and MEI, and you have only flown a Seminole, you could jump into a BE-200 and give an IPC. You are only evaluating the pilot's instrument skills. But as said previously, would you really want to? I would not have been comfortable at ALL doing this.

ToastAir
12-11-2014, 06:23 PM
As long as you have a multi rating, do you even need to be an MEI? You are evaluating instrument skills, not giving instruction.

TOGA9
12-19-2014, 05:41 AM
Make sure the tail won't fall off.

http://youtu.be/pnCT24qod4M


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TOGA9
12-19-2014, 05:42 AM
As long as you have a multi rating, do you even need to be an MEI? You are evaluating instrument skills, not giving instruction.


I believe the FAA has said a category and class rating is required on the CFI certificate, hence those who do CFII first have a somewhat worthless certificate. I can try to dig up the reference if it's still a question.


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Da40Pilot
12-22-2014, 11:56 PM
So here is the scenario: You have a qualified and current multi engine private pilot with an instrument rating, you have a CFI, CFII, MEI, and the airplane is a Beech Duke. The pilot needs an IPC. The instructor doesn't have 10 hours in a Duke. Can this instructor perform the IPC? The gray area that has opinions flying on this is that is the instructor providing multi engine instruction, just instrument instruction or both? I have my opinion and a safe alternate to this but I don't want to taint the post just yet.

The 5 hour requirement only applies if you are providing the dual for a certificate or rating that is sought. Flight reviews and IPC's do not fall under these categories. You're an MEI, so you can log PIC no problem due to this even if you don't have 5 hours in make and model.



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