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GrumpyBear
03-06-2015, 06:07 PM
Wanted to get some feedback from the guys on the forum and see what you guys think.

I'm a military pilot (UH60 IP) with 1400hrs RW and just shy of 400hrs FW. I have an RW CFI, CFII and ATP. On the FW side I have a CFI, COMM, INST, MEL and SEL. My question is, if appying to the Regionals, would I only qualify for a R-ATP or be good for a FW ATP without the restriction? I've read FAR 61.159 and based on what it says, it reads like I would qualify for an FW ATP without the 750hr restriction. Thoughts?


PilotBarbie
03-06-2015, 07:20 PM
god this sounds like the kind of stuff they ask in the CFI checkride and you're thinking "I'm never going to use this".

To answer your question, 61.159 (4) is the only airplane specific part

(4) 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof, which includes at least—

(i) 100 hours of cross-country flight time; and

(ii) 25 hours of night flight time.

PilotBarbie
03-07-2015, 03:34 AM
So as long as you meet all the requirements of 61.159 then you qualify for the full ATP.

I forgot to add this section. You will need 25-50 hours multi for most regionals. Good luck! Thanks for your service.

(3) 50 hours of flight time in the class of airplane for the rating sought. A maximum of 25 hours of training in a full flight simulator representing the class of airplane for the rating sought may be credited toward the flight time requirement of this paragraph if the training was accomplished as part of an approved training course in parts 121, 135, 141, or 142 of this chapter. A flight training device or aviation training device may not be used to satisfy this requirement.


GrumpyBear
03-07-2015, 07:15 AM
PilotBarbie:

Thanks for the feedback. Roger on the multi-time, I have a little over 60 hours of FW ME time. So, from what I've read, looks like I'm ready to eat some Ramen Noodles and commute across the US for work. ;)

airborne840
03-25-2015, 07:15 PM
Wanted to get some feedback from the guys on the forum and see what you guys think.

I'm a military pilot (UH60 IP) with 1400hrs RW and just shy of 400hrs FW. I have an RW CFI, CFII and ATP. On the FW side I have a CFI, COMM, INST, MEL and SEL. My question is, if appying to the Regionals, would I only qualify for a R-ATP or be good for a FW ATP without the restriction? I've read FAR 61.159 and based on what it says, it reads like I would qualify for an FW ATP without the 750hr restriction. Thoughts?

I'm a Guard guy UH60 flying for the regionals. You're good to get hired with restricted ATP. I did the same thing with no problems.

Airpower135
03-28-2015, 12:35 PM
Another question for you smart folks. I'm a Guard guy with my ATP written complete- it expires Feb 2016. If Im in training at a regional and mil leave before I finish the training, then come back after my written expires- what will happen? Will I have to retest, or go through all the newly required training to be eligible to retest?

155mm
03-28-2015, 07:24 PM
Another question for you smart folks. I'm a Guard guy with my ATP written complete- it expires Feb 2016. If Im in training at a regional and mil leave before I finish the training, then come back after my written expires- what will happen? Will I have to retest, or go through all the newly required training to be eligible to retest?

You need to get your ATP or R-ATP multi before your written expires. If it expires you'll need to take an ATP-CTP course and new written. The cost is about $5k. It would be cheaper to take a checkride in a light twin.

rickair7777
03-28-2015, 07:49 PM
You need to get your ATP or R-ATP multi before your written expires. If it expires you'll need to take an ATP-CTP course and new written. The cost is about $5k. It would be cheaper to take a checkride in a light twin.

I think he's correct. Expired writtens used to be good forever at any 121 operation, but the new rules specifically cut that off for writtens completed under the old rules.

IDIOTPILOT
03-28-2015, 09:12 PM
Another question for you smart folks. I'm a Guard guy with my ATP written complete- it expires Feb 2016. If Im in training at a regional and mil leave before I finish the training, then come back after my written expires- what will happen? Will I have to retest, or go through all the newly required training to be eligible to retest?

A lot of regionals are offering the CTP course to new hires. If you know your guard schedule is concrete that far out, you can let them know and they'll probably put you in CTP course before new hire. The dilemma here is that you'd have to tell them your mil leave before starting work so I don't think USERRA will cover it. The other option is to start training and go on mil leave and do the CTP when you come back.

Facebitten
03-29-2015, 02:51 AM
If you take the single engine atp checkride with the old written. Do i have all the time in the world to take the multi check ride in a light twin?

Toonces
03-29-2015, 03:36 AM
If you take the single engine atp checkride with the old written. Do i have all the time in the world to take the multi check ride in a light twin?

No. And with respect to going on mil leave during training, that's bad juju. Claim a hardship exemption with your unit if that was the case.

(f) Adding a multiengine class rating or airplane type rating to an airline transport pilot certificate with a single engine class rating. A person applying to add a multiengine class rating or airplane type rating to an airline transport pilot certificate with an airplane category single engine class rating must—

(1) Meet the eligibility requirements of 61.153;

(2) After July 31, 2014, pass a required knowledge test on the aeronautical knowledge areas of 61.155(c), as applicable to multiengine airplanes;

(3) Comply with the requirements in 61.157(b), if applicable;

(4) Meet the applicable aeronautical experience requirements of 61.159; and

(5) Pass a practical test on the areas of operation of 61.157(e)(2).