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DonConsult67
04-02-2015, 07:05 AM
Does anyone have any experience, or first-hand knowledge of either "ATP Flight School" (Jacksonville, or Daytona) or "Aerosim Flight Academy" (Sanford, FL)?

Not meaning to get into a bash-fest, but a consulting customer wants to fast-track his way forward. He's already a Private Pilot and has all the x-country time required for an Instrument Rating. He wants: Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, and MEI. No interest in airlines.

He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.

Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.

He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.

Thank yous!


dl773
04-02-2015, 07:51 AM
I visited both ATP and Aerosim, neither had high pressure sales teams.

Get the instrument rating from a reputable place (not ATP) and then go wherever for the CPL. Just make sure the place also offers CFI initials.

Look up FlightSafety Academy in Vero Beach, too. Much better company than Aerosim and they will treat you better as a customer and as a CFI. Don't expect fast track here, though. You can fast track if you fast track yourself.

kingsnake2
04-02-2015, 08:28 AM
Have you considered US Aviation Academy? If you give me his total hours I would be happy to quote either Part 141 or Part 61 Instrument training all the way through MEI if they would like. Most students go through CFII and get the MEI later.

I believe we can be quite competitive on price compared to both of these companies and US Aviation is always hiring more instructors.


Maximus1967
04-02-2015, 10:43 AM
Does anyone have any experience, or first-hand knowledge of either "ATP Flight School" (Jacksonville, or Daytona) or "Aerosim Flight Academy" (Sanford, FL)?

Not meaning to get into a bash-fest, but a consulting customer wants to fast-track his way forward. He's already a Private Pilot and has all the x-country time required for an Instrument Rating. He wants: Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, and MEI. No interest in airlines.

He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.

Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.

He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.

Thank yous!
Hi there. I don't know anything about Aerosim but I got my training with ATP Jacksonville FL. Great school. I liked it alot.
Take in consideration your CFI's. ATP gives them as a bundle or you can get them separately from ATP too for around $10K. Try to find anything cheaper and MUCH faster and you will see that there is nothing to compare.

Maximus1967
04-02-2015, 10:57 AM
I will tell what if you want to get it done quick then go with ATPs. Your lisence will look the same as anyone's. Time is money.
I got all my tickets from ATP except my CFI's because I ran out of money. I had to pay my bills back in CO while I was getting my tickets in Jax. I am trying to get my CFI, CFII & MEI now but I don't where yet since I have family and business to take care of too.

kingsnake2
04-02-2015, 12:03 PM
Time is money, but keep in mind the reverse is also true. Is it worth paying $10-20,000 more to save 3-5 months? Judging from the OP, I would guess that US Aviation could do a IR-MEI course for around $15-20,000 less than ATP including housing, books, checkrides, etc.

CFI Guy
04-02-2015, 12:46 PM
I could probably get him done for half of what ATP charges. Things I wish I knew when I started.

SevereClear1
04-02-2015, 07:34 PM
I worked at Aerosim... The instrument training is damn good. A bit expensive but good


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SevereClear1
04-02-2015, 07:35 PM
Also Aerosim does a full ground school before flying. Atp did not


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Flyboyxc91
04-02-2015, 10:33 PM
The ATP course DOES NOT include lodging or checkrides and no materials except the supplements they give you for the seminole and Cessna or Archer.... The only thing you are paying for is the opportunity to get it done quickly which is great but the costs are considerably high. A side note, yes they fly a lot obviously but from my experience and especially depending on training location most likely maintenance issues or over scheduling will prevent you from flying everyday. I'm not saying maintenance is bad, I'm saying the planes are old at a lot of locations and they fly a lot... When they break maintenance is good. Newer planes vary by location so you may want to consider that as well since you're paying a premium to pay for the newer models they are currently purchasing whether you pick to fly them or not.

UFFL
04-05-2015, 06:51 PM
[QUOTE=DonConsult67;1854634]Does anyone have any experience, or first-hand knowledge of either "ATP Flight School" (Jacksonville, or Daytona) or "Aerosim Flight Academy" (Sanford, FL)?

Not meaning to get into a bash-fest, but a consulting customer wants to fast-track his way forward. He's already a Private Pilot and has all the x-country time required for an Instrument Rating. He wants: Instrument, Commercial, Multi, CFI, CFII, and MEI. No interest in airlines.

He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.

Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.

He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.

Thank yous![/QU

I would say go the cheapest route. The ratings say the same thing no matter where you went to school.

What's really important to consider is how much the loan payment will be per month and trying to pay that on 1st year regional FO pay. $700 pay checks are a reality

threeighteen
04-12-2015, 08:10 PM
Does anyone have any experience, or first-hand knowledge of either "ATP Flight School" (Jacksonville, or Daytona) or "Aerosim Flight Academy" (Sanford, FL)?

Yes. I went to ATP. It was a good experience, but I would definitely do it differently (cheaper) if I had the choice to do it again.

No interest in airlines.

Then neither of those schools will be a good fit. Those schools are focused on becoming the future ab-initio airline training schools.

He was quoted $75,000 from ATP, including lodging, for the above (including 100 multi hours, and 195 total hours), with most everything included (e.g., check rides, books/materials, etc.). ATP also quoted him a 100-day completion time, with an assurance of flying every day.

That $75,000 that ATP now charges (I paid like $40k not too long ago.... :eek:) probably does not include the (mandatory) extra fee they charge for their training supplements ($300 or so). It also does not include checkride fees ($5,000 or more). It definitely does not include over-training costs, re-training costs, etc.

If he "under-flys" the curriculum's hours-allotment in one phase of the training, those hours are surrendered to ATP and can not be used in any other part of the program. If he "over-flys" they take 2 hours from another part of his program for every 1 hour that he goes over.

Unless it's in writing, he probably won't get to fly every day, he also probably won't be done in 100 days. There's a lot of "hurry up" to finish training and then "wait a week" for a checkride at ATP. I've seen people at ATP wait for more than few weeks for a checkride, though that was in Seattle during the winter. You won't get a refresher flight before your checkride if you do end up waiting for a checkride...

They will make him sign a contract on Day 1 that waives his right to litigate and that any dispute he has will go to arbitration.

Also, ATP's student housing in many locations is comparable to a frathouse...

The housing bill might be bigger since you'll probably be there longer than they quote.

^those were some of the "gotchas" that I wasn't too happy with. Wish I had known about them before I put down the deposit.

Aerosim quoted him $58,125, with no lodging, but only up to the CFI - their program seems to assume you'll stay and work for them where they offer the CFII and MEI at $500, while employed [must sign a 1 or 2-year contract]. However, Aerosim said the time frame is 8-10 months, or 240-300 days.

time frame is more realistic, cost is slightly more reasonable.

He's thoroughly confused and unsure of which direction to go. Both venues offered a personal visit, but before he visits and commits (or gets subject to high-pressure sales, no doubt), I wanted to see if anyone can offer any feedback and/or suggestions.

Try finding a local flying club that has full-time W-2 staff-instructors that are willing to do accelerated training. It will be cheaper for sure, at least by 33%, if not closer to 50%. The completion time frame will be similar to the big dollar flight schools.

DonConsult67
04-18-2015, 12:42 PM
Thanks for all the kind and thoughtful comments. The gentleman wants a structured program so he's eliminated the "do it at the local FBO" option.

He looked at American Flyers and likes, as he says, their "structured flexibility".

D

threeighteen
04-20-2015, 01:29 AM
Thanks for all the kind and thoughtful comments. The gentleman wants a structured program so he's eliminated the "do it at the local FBO" option.

He looked at American Flyers and likes, as he says, their "structured flexibility".

D

American Flyers offers a much better product. I think he will be happier there. I only did one rating there, but their school was far superior to ATP.



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