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RatherBSkiing
05-05-2015, 07:08 PM
Im a little bit confused as to my own applicability for the reduced minimums for the restricted ATP (particularly the 1,250 hour one). So I got my private and instrument rating via part 61 during high school then went off to college to get an associates degree. The school I went to gave me credits for those ratings already held and I continued on there with my commercial SEL and CFI. I have above the 30 credit hours for the program and the school is approved for the reduced minimums, but I'm not sure I do. Anybody want to shed some light of 61.160 on me?


awax
05-05-2015, 07:54 PM
I have above the 30 credit hours for the program and the school is approved for the reduced minimums, but I'm not sure I do.

Not sure you have above 30 hours? Not sure the program is approved?

Someone has to the be the FAA POC, go talk to them and ask if you meet the reduced criteria.

rickair7777
05-06-2015, 07:41 AM
(1) Holds an Associate's degree with an aviation major from an institution of higher education, as defined in 61.1, that has been issued a letter of authorization by the Administrator under 61.169;

You should be good on this part.

(2) Completes at least 30 semester credit hours of aviation and aviation-related coursework that has been recognized by the Administrator as coursework designed to improve and enhance the knowledge and skills of a person seeking a career as a professional pilot;

You should be good on this part.

(3) Holds a commercial pilot certificate with an airplane category and instrument rating if:

(i) The required ground training was completed as part of an approved part 141 curriculum at the institution of higher education; and

Since the "entry argument" for the RATP is a CPL, where you got the PPL/IR is irrelevant, only your CPL training matters. Did you do the full CPL ground training program at this school? If so you should be good on this part too.


(ii) The required flight training was completed as part of an approved part 141 curriculum at the institution of higher education or at a part 141 pilot school that has a written training agreement under 141.26 of this chapter with the institution of higher education; and

I think you should be good on this part too Here's why...

141 has an allowance to grant "limited" credit for previous flight training (acquired under either 141 or 61) to a student enrolling in a 141 program. This is strictly defined and limited, and assuming the school properly evaluated and credited your previous time, it will not alter the fact that you completed a 141 CPL program at this school. The regs do not say you have to do *ALL* of the flight training at the college just that you must do the *required* flight training. Since the 141 CPL program has an allowance to credit your previous flight time, I would say that the *required* flight training is whatever is required by 141 after they grant credit for your previous training.

4) Presents official transcripts or other documentation acceptable to the Administrator from the institution of higher education certifying that the graduate has satisfied the requirements in paragraphs (c)(1) through (3) of this section.

Your graduation certificate should be all you need, but I would ask the school if they also provide written certification for 1250 RATP eligibility. Make sure the school is not confused about your previous flight time credit re. the RATP.

You may need to talk to the FAA 141 POI to be safe. I'm just reading the regs at face value, and the FAA may have a different policy on the practical application.




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