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B752
05-21-2015, 10:13 AM
Dear friends,

I was informed yesterday by the crew leasing company I am applying that HNA Hainan Airlines, is canceling the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. also, I was informed HNA is NOT:eek: going to accept Non type rating pilot to apply for the commutable contract.
If you have no previous experience and a type on the B787 or A330 you will have to choose the residence contract which is 10 days off per month or 7 days off per month.
also, they change the screening process and you literally need 20 days for interview.
Phase 1: 10 days
phase 2: 10 days

If any one has a different information, please share with the community.


airspeed1974
05-21-2015, 04:39 PM
I haven't heard this. I'll ask today

Typhoonpilot
05-21-2015, 09:07 PM
Unless you are a widebody captain already you can pretty much forget ever getting a shot at any of these advertised non-typed DEC jobs on a widebody. First of all the numbers they allocate for those positions are extremely limited and then the interview will crush the narrowbody guys with visions of glory. Guys getting NTR into the B787 are generally B777 captains. That's your competition.


Typhoonpilot


EXPAT1
05-22-2015, 07:19 AM
There is also some bait and switch going on with this contract so be careful with what you sign and agree towards. They will bait you in and then offer you a 787 if you do 2 years on the 737. This contract is so new I have only heard of one ExPat there now. The China Southern contract initially offered NTR DEC on the 787 but after 2 years all of their pilots are essentially IRO (International Relief Officers). They are paid as a Captain but never fly as the PIC listed on the Dispatch release. The flight time will never float as PIC time anywhere outside of China and even then it is highly speculative. The Chinese Captains and FOs will smoke on you profusely and you rarely land the airplane unless an Instructor is onboard. The best paying contracts in China are the narrow body aircraft like 737 and A-320 as that is where the Demand is requested. The Chinese need narrowbody pilots in a big way but if you go fly widebodies you will be resented by the Chinese pilots and ostracized by their pilot group. If you are willing to take 3 years of abuse it may turn out good after they finally sign you off as a true PIC but beware the medicals, check rides, smoking, and many other downsides before the job gets any better.

NEDude
05-22-2015, 07:31 AM
Dear friends,

I was informed yesterday by the crew leasing company I am applying that HNA Hainan Airlines, is canceling the 2 weeks on 2 weeks off. also, I was informed HNA is NOT:eek: going to accept Non type rating pilot to apply for the commutable contract.
If you have no previous experience and a type on the B787 or A330 you will have to choose the residence contract which is 10 days off per month or 7 days off per month.
also, they change the screening process and you literally need 20 days for interview.
Phase 1: 10 days
phase 2: 10 days

If any one has a different information, please share with the community.

I just spoke with a leasing company yesterday regarding the A330 NTR program and they made no mention of disallowing the commuting option. I was also told if you already have a CAAC license and can start within 3 months of being offered, they will give you a $20,000 sign-on bonus. I was also told yesterday that screening is five days. In fact the company today confirmed my screening dates in July and it is for five days. Wonder why the different information.

airspeed1974
05-22-2015, 09:35 AM
Unless you are a widebody captain already you can pretty much forget ever getting a shot at any of these advertised non-typed DEC jobs on a widebody. First of all the numbers they allocate for those positions are extremely limited and then the interview will crush the narrowbody guys with visions of glory. Guys getting NTR into the B787 are generally B777 captains. That's your competition. Typhoonpilot

That's not true. I know many guys personally that have gone right from the 737 with zero widebody. As far as the commuting in afraid to say that yes I can confirm this is true. They are doing this because they are so short of pilots

NEDude
05-22-2015, 04:56 PM
That's not true. I know many guys personally that have gone right from the 737 with zero widebody. As far as the commuting in afraid to say that yes I can confirm this is true. They are doing this because they are so short of pilots

They obviously need to learn a lesson in supply and demand. Making the job less attractive will not attract more pilots.

They just lost this recruit with that stunt. I will stay where I am and enjoy 4/4.

B752
05-24-2015, 10:28 AM
The 20 days screening process is for non CAAC licensed pilots.

Pilots with only narrow experience, I was told by the broker company that you have to fly the B737 for 3 years before they "will" upgrade you to the B787.

Please, everyone with information regarding the cancellation of commuting contract, post and share your info, since HNA still advertising the commuting option.

airspeed1974
05-24-2015, 09:04 PM
The 20 days screening process is for non CAAC licensed pilots. Pilots with only narrow experience, I was told by the broker company that you have to fly the B737 for 3 years before they "will" upgrade you to the B787. Please, everyone with information regarding the cancellation of commuting contract, post and share your info, since HNA still advertising the commuting option.

Not true. They will take you as DEC on the 787

B752
05-25-2015, 07:56 PM
Not true. They will take you as DEC on the 787

Foreign flight crew members holding CAAC A320/B737/B747/B757/B767 and B777 license are entitled to apply A330 or B787 transition training (TT) program after reports to airline, depends on company aircraft introduction plan, production need and availability of transition training slots. TT program is limited to same aircraft series.

Any qualified A320 candidates who meet the Hainan Airlines requirements listed below and not holding CAAC ATPL license are entitled to apply A330 TT program after reports to airline, depends on company aircraft introduction plan, production need and availability of transition training slots.

:confused:Any qualified B737 candidates meet the Hainan Airlines requirements meeting requirments listed and not holding CAAC ATPL license should complete one year as B737 captain before he/she applies for B787 TT program.:confused:

Any qualified B747/B757/B767 and B777 candidates who meet the Hainan Airlines requirements of Appendix 1 and not holding CAAC ATPL License are entitled to apply B787 TT program.

Sent by HNA.

Probe
05-25-2015, 08:13 PM
Foreign flight crew members holding CAAC A320/B737/B747/B757/B767 and B777 license are entitled to apply A330 or B787 transition training (TT) program after reports to airline, depends on company aircraft introduction plan, production need and availability of transition training slots. TT program is limited to same aircraft series.

Any qualified A320 candidates who meet the Hainan Airlines requirements listed below and not holding CAAC ATPL license are entitled to apply A330 TT program after reports to airline, depends on company aircraft introduction plan, production need and availability of transition training slots.

:confused:Any qualified B737 candidates meet the Hainan Airlines requirements meeting requirments listed and not holding CAAC ATPL license should complete one year as B737 captain before he/she applies for B787 TT program.:confused:

Any qualified B747/B757/B767 and B777 candidates who meet the Hainan Airlines requirements of Appendix 1 and not holding CAAC ATPL License are entitled to apply B787 TT program.

It will take 2-4 months to process your paperwork and ground school, and then you will spend a year + in line training on a 737. Then you fly as captain for a year. Then say pretty please can I be a 787 captain.

So no, you will not apply to be a 787 or 330 captain after a year. It will be 2.5 to 3 years.

Then, if you are accepted, you will try to get through 330/787 transition. A contract agency told me 2 years ago the first 8 guys on the NTR 330 failed.

So you are the 1 in 10 that passes this. You spend another year in line training. After that, you are a junior captain (cruise pilot) for 1-2 years)

An extremely low percentage of pilots pass the initial interview in China. Maybe half that pass make it to pass a line check. Half finish their contract.

I would bet Hainan has exactly zero pilots that showed up NTR on the 787 and are flying as a line captain. I heard only a few have ever passed and made it all the way to PIC on the 330.

This is a pipe dream.

If you want to fly in China, good luck. Be flexible and happy that you make it. Dreaming about some mythical pipe dream of going from 500 PIC in a 737 to a 787 Captain with a reverse roster based in YVR is a waste of a perfectly good dream. Better off buying a lottery ticket.

It might happen to somebody, but it will be just dumb luck.

Typhoonpilot
05-26-2015, 06:18 PM
Thanks Probe, you nailed it.

The only successful NTR guys I know are the B777 guys who went to China Southern on the B787. Also one B747-400 guy who went to SF Express on the 757. I think some China Airlines (of Taiwan) 747-400 drivers also went to SF Express on the 757. There might be others, but it is rare.


TP

airspeed1974
05-26-2015, 07:15 PM
Thanks Probe, you nailed it. The only successful NTR guys I know are the B777 guys who went to China Southern on the B787. Also one B747-400 guy who went to SF Express on the 757. I think some China Airlines (of Taiwan) 747-400 drivers also went to SF Express on the 757. There might be others, but it is rare. TP

I know 2 guys went from 737 to 787 at Hainan. They did not work at Hainan prior. I also know 5, yes 5 guys who went to CSA on the 777/787 and were 737 guys before. HNA is beyond desperate for pilots. That's not true about it being a pipe dream. I'm in China, I've seen it and I personally know and worked with these guys

NEDude
05-27-2015, 01:12 AM
I know 2 guys went from 737 to 787 at Hainan. They did not work at Hainan prior. I also know 5, yes 5 guys who went to CSA on the 777/787 and were 737 guys before. HNA is beyond desperate for pilots. That's not true about it being a pipe dream. I'm in China, I've seen it and I personally know and worked with these guys

My agency confirmed yesterday that Hainan is still offering the commuting option for the A330NTR program.

NEDude
05-27-2015, 02:46 AM
Right after I posted that I got another email from my agency. The 4 weeks/4 weeks option is still available, but they will no longer allow 2 weeks/2 weeks.

JimmyBuffet
06-02-2015, 04:45 PM
So, is this 787 NTR not really attainable? I'm new here, and suppose to go to China for an interview. Am I wasting time here? Any info and would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks..

UnitedCapt
06-29-2015, 12:57 PM
So, is this 787 NTR not really attainable? I'm new here, and suppose to go to China for an interview. Am I wasting time here? Any info and would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks..

When is your interview and what airline are you coming off?

Probe
06-29-2015, 04:42 PM
So, is this 787 NTR not really attainable? I'm new here, and suppose to go to China for an interview. Am I wasting time here? Any info and would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks..

99.9% chance it is not attainable, based on Hainan Airs past track record. But hey, you could be the first.

It will only take a year or two of your life to find out.

Sparta77W
06-30-2015, 12:43 AM
Hi all,

Quick question. I have the chance to go an interview for the DEC 787 position with HNA. (Coming off the 777 from a Middle East carrier). From what I have read on this thread, it seems like most aren't making it through the training program or the interview process in general. Is it worth effort to even try? I have heard mix things about how they accept 777 time towards the 787 even though the license shows 777/787. Any current info available? Interview info?

Thank you..