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Flyboyxc91
07-29-2015, 11:35 PM
Hey Pilots! I know how it is to be questioning and reading all the crazy flak on management, low pay, finding students, terrible duty days and some without even flying.... NO SENSE!!!

I was hired at TransPac Aviation Academy in Phoenix, AZ operating out of the Deer Valley Airport (KDVT) and have been reading a lot of the forums lately... Come to think of the above, I haven't been regretting my decision whatsoever; actually I've been very thankful for my decision to move all the way from the East Coast to come here! The reasons why below:

QUICK TAKE:

- $3,000 Sign On Bonus
- $28,000 Base Annual SALARY paid out every two weeks
- $3,000 Additional pay for MEIs
- Management is seriously the best I've seen and CARES about SAFETY
- Planes are newer, Archers and Seminoles
- Two Days OFF a WEEK, extra pay for 6th day optional when needed
- Performance Bonuses of $100 per initial check ride (lots of those)
- Scheduling is Good: 10 Hour Duty / 12 Hour Rest minimum
- Lots of Students, Average Instructor Time per Month 70-85 hours
- Many opportunities to go into management relatively fast
- Facilities are VERY nice compared to others, lots of sims, classrooms
- Have a Piper Arrow for instructors to rent at $85/hour WET
- Airlines Constantly come here to talk to Instructors and give stuff out

** If you decide to put your application in, contact me for details on the interview process and I can also get you a little extra cash if you are hired! Good Luck Guys!

Essay:

TransPac Flight Instructors have a higher pay than most in the industry and you are paid even more if you have an MEI (+ $3,000). The starting salary is $28,000 however once you complete standardization training there is a $3,000 sign on BONUS so your income is really $31,000 for the first 12 months of pay ($34,000 with MEI).... That doesn't include performance bonuses either which do happen quite often and opportunities to work a 6th day out of the week if you WANT... ("DID HE SAY IF YOU WANT? I'm A CFI, WE ALWAYS WORK 8 DAYS A WEEK"):cool: Yes, you will GET TWO DAYS OFF a week assigned to you and you only work 10 hour duty days, then have a 12 hour rest period... Sounding like a 121 Airline? Thats right, my first day of training management told us thats exactly the "experience" we operate by and have here which is great in my book as a CFI. Planes are newer than most places operating with newer Archers and Seminoles (ATP Flying Model BUT NOT ATP, WOOOOOAH ENOUGH SAID)... The maintenance is very amazing, and they are great people to talk to in the crew staff lounge from time to time about systems. People are constantly getting their hours and passing training at their airline of choice regionally.. The airlines come here all the time to give us free lunches so its pretty great to have that and get free goodies almost every month...

Yea, I'm just trying to pass on the "Better Koolaid" if you want to call it that, but I'm seriously happy I moved 32 hours away from home to come here if thats any rendition to any of you guys! Don't settle for ALOT LESS when there are places like this is the message I hope is received.

PM me for TransPac details, I can get you some extra money.

If you decide to make the move and come here I can get you some extra money via a referral if you let me know you're trying to come. When you're putting your application in I can let HR know I've communicated with you and give you some heads up on the interview process. :D


GrassLandings
07-30-2015, 12:44 AM
Hey Pilots! I know how it is to be questioning and reading all the crazy flak on management, low pay, finding students, terrible duty days and some without even flying.... NO SENSE!!!

I was hired at TransPac Aviation Academy in Phoenix, AZ operating out of the Deer Valley Airport (KDVT) and have been reading a lot of the forums lately... Come to think of the above, I haven't been regretting my decision whatsoever; actually I've been very thankful for my decision to move all the way from the East Coast to come here! The reasons why below:

QUICK TAKE:

- $3,000 Sign On Bonus
- $28,000 Base Annual SALARY paid out every two weeks
- $3,000 Additional pay for MEIs
- Management is seriously the best I've seen and CARES about SAFETY
- Planes are newer, Archers and Seminoles
- Two Days OFF a WEEK, extra pay for 6th day optional when needed
- Performance Bonuses of $100 per initial check ride (lots of those)
- Scheduling is Good: 10 Hour Duty / 12 Hour Rest minimum
- Lots of Students, Average Instructor Time per Month 70-85 hours
- Many opportunities to go into management relatively fast
- Facilities are VERY nice compared to others, lots of sims, classrooms
- Have a Piper Arrow for instructors to rent at $85/hour WET
- Airlines Constantly come here to talk to Instructors and give stuff out

** If you decide to put your application in, contact me for details on the interview process and I can also get you a little extra cash if you are hired! Good Luck Guys!

Essay:

TransPac Flight Instructors have a higher pay than most in the industry and you are paid even more if you have an MEI (+ $3,000). The starting salary is $28,000 however once you complete standardization training there is a $3,000 sign on BONUS so your income is really $31,000 for the first 12 months of pay ($34,000 with MEI).... That doesn't include performance bonuses either which do happen quite often and opportunities to work a 6th day out of the week if you WANT... ("DID HE SAY IF YOU WANT? I'm A CFI, WE ALWAYS WORK 8 DAYS A WEEK"):cool: Yes, you will GET TWO DAYS OFF a week assigned to you and you only work 10 hour duty days, then have a 12 hour rest period... Sounding like a 121 Airline? Thats right, my first day of training management told us thats exactly the "experience" we operate by and have here which is great in my book as a CFI. Planes are newer than most places operating with newer Archers and Seminoles (ATP Flying Model BUT NOT ATP, WOOOOOAH ENOUGH SAID)... The maintenance is very amazing, and they are great people to talk to in the crew staff lounge from time to time about systems. People are constantly getting their hours and passing training at their airline of choice regionally.. The airlines come here all the time to give us free lunches so its pretty great to have that and get free goodies almost every month...

Yea, I'm just trying to pass on the "Better Koolaid" if you want to call it that, but I'm seriously happy I moved 32 hours away from home to come here if thats any rendition to any of you guys! Don't settle for ALOT LESS when there are places like this is the message I hope is received.

PM me for TransPac details, I can get you some extra money.

If you decide to make the move and come here I can get you some extra money via a referral if you let me know you're trying to come. When you're putting your application in I can let HR know I've communicated with you and give you some heads up on the interview process. :D

Sounds more like someone paid you to write this, or you are managments wet dream. Either way, have fun being an english teacher and pushing pilots through your program. Remember... gear down, creared to rand!!!

Flyboyxc91
07-30-2015, 12:55 AM
Sounds more like someone paid you to write this, or you are managments wet dream. Either way, have fun being an english teacher and pushing pilots through your program. Remember... gear down, creared to rand!!!

Nope! I'm just a "Line CFI" that is trying to show other people a better "job" than most instructing positions out there. Yes there is a referral bonus but as I've disclosed its a win win for anyone that wants to apply and gets hired. Sorry you don't share the enthusiasm, and you probably wouldn't fit in here being like that.


yeahbutstill
07-30-2015, 04:42 AM
creared to rand!!! haha that's messed up

Packrat
07-30-2015, 05:03 AM
Either way, have fun being an english teacher and pushing pilots through your program. Remember... gear down, creared to rand!!!

Racist, much? I'd bet those foreign students speak English better than you speak Japanese/Chinese/Tagalog.

FraxAvi8tor
07-30-2015, 07:13 AM
Sounds more like someone paid you to write this, or you are managments wet dream. Either way, have fun being an english teacher and pushing pilots through your program. Remember... gear down, creared to rand!!!

What a lame, insensitive comment. You know, there are people that find fulfillment working in all parts of this industry.

Glad to hear you're enjoying your new job Flyboyxc91. Professionalism and a good attitude go a long way, in any job. Have fun and fly safe!

krudawg
07-30-2015, 05:11 PM
What kind of operation in Transpac? Are they a contract training facility for a foreign carrier ab initio pilots?

Flyboyxc91
07-30-2015, 05:36 PM
What kind of operation in Transpac? Are they a contract training facility for a foreign carrier ab initio pilots?

Yes Krudawg, we do part 141 ab initial foreign training and also domestic FAA Program as well that's on their own syllabus. These foreign students are highly motivated and hand selected by their airlines to come here and train. Not to rag on all American student pilots training like this (zero to hero style) but these guys STUDY and do exactly what they're told to do almost always. I know there are a lot of great domestic students too but I'm speaking from an average mean standpoint so it's pretty unique in its own way. The students do have to be screened for English skills before they ever set foot in the program; they're evaluated by student recruiters from the company and must pass competency skills for certain day to day "American/English" things or otherwise they wouldn't be able to complete the program most likely... So in many ways "GrassLandings" rude and pessimistic comment earlier was actually quite ironic since they probably actually do speak better English upon arrival than most other international ab initial program students here in USA.

At any rate I'm enjoying the flying here so far and that's all that really matters. You can switch to the FAA side (domestic) if thats more of your style after a couple months since there is a lot of turnover and students.

krudawg
07-30-2015, 07:00 PM
I am a CFII and MEI and have received several postcards from them trying to entice me to go to work for them. Maybe after I retire in 2 years, I'll take a look at what they have to offer. I currently live west of Phoenix about 20 miles so the commute would be easy

Flyboyxc91
07-30-2015, 07:20 PM
I am a CFII and MEI and have received several postcards from them trying to entice me to go to work for them. Maybe after I retire in 2 years, I'll take a look at what they have to offer. I currently live west of Phoenix about 20 miles so the commute would be easy

Definitely, they are actually still growing and there are talks of building another facility somewhere to head another FAA Domestic Facility like the ab initio programs, currently they are both at KDVT. However there is a Chandler facility that does some of the ab initio as well... There are a few retired airline guys that work here for fun and to make a fair amount for instructing. The gig really isn't bad at all and like I said, with the right attitude its actually really nice here, management leaves you alone unless you voice a concern and then they listen to you.. Check it out sometime if you have the aviation itch still post retirement.

GrassLandings
07-31-2015, 12:04 PM
Racist, much? I'd bet those foreign students speak English better than you speak Japanese/Chinese/Tagalog.

Nope, im not. But I have had the english barrier almost kill me multiple times. If you havent flown with these types of students then you have no clue what I am talking about. If you have, and didnt get sick of it after the first day then you got lucky. As far as me speaking another language, or them speaking Chinese better than me its irrelevant. Thats not the issue here, nor is it a correlation to the requirement to ICAO level 4 English proficient. Those with level 4 "certification" still have significant language barriers that become apparent in high stress training environments.

Dont get me wrong, most of these students are smart, and speak English just fine. But many are not, and dont. Not a good fit for a safety sensitive culture like aviation, especially when you are the CFI and its your life and certificate on board. Dont forget the airspace congestion and mid air collisions killing 4 they have had recently. Bet you didnt hear that on the national news.

Iv had friends and colleagues go through TransPac. Its not all strawberries and sunshine. Thats for sure. Tell me again, how many total hull losses have you guys had in the last few years??? If the number is more than zero, no thanks. Pretty sure its much higher than that...

Im just trying to give people a more realistic look at this place, and not the cheesy sales pitch the OP has. Its always far from reality coming from a recruiter. It is a foreign pilot mill, with an abysmal safety record.

Flyboyxc91
07-31-2015, 03:09 PM
Nope, im not. But I have had the english barrier almost kill me multiple times. If you havent flown with these types of students then you have no clue what I am talking about. If you have, and didnt get sick of it after the first day then you got lucky. As far as me speaking another language, or them speaking Chinese better than me its irrelevant. Thats not the issue here, nor is it a correlation to the requirement to ICAO level 4 English proficient. Those with level 4 "certification" still have significant language barriers that become apparent in high stress training environments.

Dont get me wrong, most of these students are smart, and speak English just fine. But many are not, and dont. Not a good fit for a safety sensitive culture like aviation, especially when you are the CFI and its your life and certificate on board. Dont forget the airspace congestion and mid air collisions killing 4 they have had recently. Bet you didnt hear that on the national news.

Iv had friends and colleagues go through TransPac. Its not all strawberries and sunshine. Thats for sure. Tell me again, how many total hull losses have you guys had in the last few years??? If the number is more than zero, no thanks. Pretty sure its much higher than that...

Im just trying to give people a more realistic look at this place, and not the cheesy sales pitch the OP has. Its always far from reality coming from a recruiter. It is a foreign pilot mill, with an abysmal safety record.


Here is a small excerpt about flight times at this company.. Just to give GrassLandings a clue about the law of averages that he thinks is excluded in aviation. I hope you "fly the numbers" or at least understand them a little better now that you're a 121 guy.. Point is accidents are always going to happen and here we are very safe. Like a few people commented about towards you earlier; your original comment wasn't welcomed here, sometimes people mean well but their attitude sucks. With yours, nobody will want to do a four day with you being like that over in the right seat, but whatever.

"Phoenix owns Deer Valley Airport, where TransPac is based, and maintains records of tenant flight hours.

City records obtained by The Republic showed TransPac logged more than 300,000 student flight hours between 2009 and ’13.

In that time, the school averaged one accident per 50,967.5 student flight hours and one fatal accident per 101,935 student flight hours.

The national average, last recorded in 2009 by the national Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, is 7.2 accidents — and 1.33 fatalities — per 100,000 flight hours.

“When you look at the overall numbers, they are actually better (than average),” aerospace consultant Douglas M. Moss said of TransPac’s safety record."

Moss is an expert in aircraft accident investigation and causal analysis and operates AeroPacific Consulting LLC in Reno.

“Obviously, the goal is zero,” Moss said. “But that’s just not feasible."

JamesNoBrakes
07-31-2015, 11:08 PM
“Obviously, the goal is zero,” Moss said. “But that’s just not feasible."

Lots of large schools have gone far longer, 10+ yrs, with no fatal accidents.

JohnBurke
08-01-2015, 12:08 AM
The original poster failed to note that the average student fails each of his checkrides (instrument, commercial, multi) twice, some three times. Students graduate the program unable to land in some cases, and some are afraid to land. Nearly everyone here has worked as a flight instructor. How many have a history of each student failing multiple checkrides for each certificate and rating?

The number of fatalities is not a good yardstick as a measure of success, especially with an operation such as Transpac.

Flyboyxc91
08-01-2015, 01:39 AM
The original poster failed to note that the average student fails each of his checkrides (instrument, commercial, multi) twice, some three times. Students graduate the program unable to land in some cases, and some are afraid to land. Nearly everyone here has worked as a flight instructor. How many have a history of each student failing multiple checkrides for each certificate and rating?

The number of fatalities is not a good yardstick as a measure of success, especially with an operation such as Transpac.


I agree with you, fatalities is never a defining yardstick in a flight school operation because you have to go off success. However, it is ironic you bring up average checkride failures for this company as if you work here.. Or that it's the student and not the instructor that is somewhat at fault... If I have students that fail, and actually I haven't yet, then I look at myself for part of that failure. Most of the guys here actually pass their check rides and I'm not speaking just for myself. To be honest with you, I came from a similar mode of training (ATP) and if you want to start throwing check ride failure rates around well you'll have to include them pretty much by default... I had three roommates who all failed a checkride (one failed THREE) and I was fortunate enough to have made it unscathed... I made this thread to post a job option for people and to share some positivity not for it to be picked apart in some negative fashion.

JohnBurke
08-01-2015, 10:39 AM
However, it is ironic you bring up average checkride failures for this company as if you work here.. Or that it's the student and not the instructor that is somewhat at fault... ... I made this thread to post a job option for people and to share some positivity not for it to be picked apart in some negative fashion.

I said nothing of fault. Speak for yourself, if able.

I do speak from personal experience in this case. Perhaps you're new with Transpac. The majority of the students have multiple failures during their checkrides; retesting is very common there. You're absolutely right; it may very well be that the company employs very poor instructors, and the students are brilliant and matchless in their study, devotion, and ability to the craft. That may be. If so, what does that say?

Some time you might stop and audit say, several hundred students as they complete the program, look back, and review the number of endorsements in their logbook to re-take the practical test after failures. Very high re-take numbers, very common, and no, that's not a guess. That's a direct observation.

Why only four red airplanes? Did you stop to think about that?

Flyboyxc91
08-01-2015, 02:57 PM
I never have stopped to ask myself "why only four red little airplanes" no... Yes I'm a newer instructor I suppose to the company, I was just sharing a good experience I've had thus far. At any rate, the company is operating 141 for the program's we are referring to, and it does require an 80% pass rate (yes that includes knowledge tests) however I have a hard time seeing through that all these students you say fail each checkride when that would seemingly make it impossible to keep the 141 certificate.. Just me thinking it through a moment, yes I may be wrong but I do believe you've exaggerated a smidge too (possibly but no matter)... Both good inputs towards any flight school operation as I've pointed out its not just here since this thread has seemed to lost its bearing towards INSTRUCTORS and arrived at flight school masses at large.

JohnBurke
08-01-2015, 04:39 PM
I haven't exaggerated at all. Four red airplanes...red for the solo airplanes...because students do minimal soloing, and the rest is supervised solo...ever wondered why that is?

How does this have a bearing on a job opening for new instructors, or the announcement thereof? You really don't understand?

The students have their own web sites, every test is listed, every question, every answer. Among the students, cheating is encouraged, and yes, it's cultural. The school doesn't tolerate it, and officially the chinese authority doesn't either, but it's absolutely a fact of life, and 80% pass within the company 141 structure is irrelevant.

Instructors show up there to build time and that's what they do. Students have an appalling failure rate on checkrides for their commercial, instrument, and multi. The FAA understands that these students aren't returning to the US to fly; these certificates (and it is a certificate mill) are generated for the express purpose of being a springboard for a Chinese license at home (and other countries of origin, China being the primary country represented at Transpac).

The student private websites include complete dossiers on each instructor, detailing exactly what the instructor likes, doesn't like, does or doesn't do, etc. Students are trained for a checkride, period. Not to be pilots, not to be aviators, but to pass a specific checkride. A broad understanding of procedures isn't part of the training schedule; press them to the checkride, then when they fail, press them through again and again until they pass.

I can tell you that from the perspective of an instructor, I'd have some very serious ethical issues performing those duties and signing off a student, knowing what the student didn't get and didn't know, at the conclusion of training.

There are some dedicated students there, fulfilling a lifelong dream, and willing to sign the 99 year commitment that they do, to get it. There are a lot of others marking time, gliding through the program because they had connections in their home country of origin, enough to get them into the program with the host airline, and who couldn't care less about learning. A lot of such students. As you were astute enough to point out, however, a great deal of the high failure rate of the students can be blamed on the instructors along with the students, and in the larger picture, on the corporate culture that permits it.

What goes on there really ought to be criminal. If those were US-bound students, the FAA would have taken a very different view a long time ago. For now it's revenue from foreign airlines for students who will never rent or return, going back to serve out their 99 years, never to be seen again. Nobody cares, so long as the money comes in and the students keep testing until they pass.

I've never seen another school or facility or program with so many failures in the logbooks, so many re-tests for any given student. It's shocking. There is absolutely no way I'd ever put myself in the position of signing off such a student, or even taking the remote gamble that the student might be prepared to take the checkride. Never. Does that have a direct implication to a discussion of employment for potential applicants for the job? It surely should. Is it relevant. It absolutely is. It's also something that the applicants should know long before they apply. Otherwise, why bother looking to a site such as this for information? Don't whitewash it. There's nothing professional or ethical about burying your head in the sand; the wages are poor, there's a lot of flying, and the students fail in droves, and have for a long time now. They eventually pass and go home...don't try to pretend otherwise. That students pass internal quizzes and exams after they've had access to photocopies of the tests before the class ever began (and they do--are you not aware??) is no demonstration of success. Call the spade a spade, for that's exactly what it is.

Flyboyxc91
08-01-2015, 05:18 PM
I haven't exaggerated at all. Four red airplanes...red for the solo airplanes...because students do minimal soloing, and the rest is supervised solo...ever wondered why that is?

How does this have a bearing on a job opening for new instructors, or the announcement thereof? You really don't understand?

The students have their own web sites, every test is listed, every question, every answer. Among the students, cheating is encouraged, and yes, it's cultural. The school doesn't tolerate it, and officially the chinese authority doesn't either, but it's absolutely a fact of life, and 80% pass within the company 141 structure is irrelevant.

Instructors show up there to build time and that's what they do. Students have an appalling failure rate on checkrides for their commercial, instrument, and multi. The FAA understands that these students aren't returning to the US to fly; these certificates (and it is a certificate mill) are generated for the express purpose of being a springboard for a Chinese license at home (and other countries of origin, China being the primary country represented at Transpac).

The student private websites include complete dossiers on each instructor, detailing exactly what the instructor likes, doesn't like, does or doesn't do, etc. Students are trained for a checkride, period. Not to be pilots, not to be aviators, but to pass a specific checkride. A broad understanding of procedures isn't part of the training schedule; press them to the checkride, then when they fail, press them through again and again until they pass.

I can tell you that from the perspective of an instructor, I'd have some very serious ethical issues performing those duties and signing off a student, knowing what the student didn't get and didn't know, at the conclusion of training.

There are some dedicated students there, fulfilling a lifelong dream, and willing to sign the 99 year commitment that they do, to get it. There are a lot of others marking time, gliding through the program because they had connections in their home country of origin, enough to get them into the program with the host airline, and who couldn't care less about learning. A lot of such students. As you were astute enough to point out, however, a great deal of the high failure rate of the students can be blamed on the instructors along with the students, and in the larger picture, on the corporate culture that permits it.

What goes on there really ought to be criminal. If those were US-bound students, the FAA would have taken a very different view a long time ago. For now it's revenue from foreign airlines for students who will never rent or return, going back to serve out their 99 years, never to be seen again. Nobody cares, so long as the money comes in and the students keep testing until they pass.

I've never seen another school or facility or program with so many failures in the logbooks, so many re-tests for any given student. It's shocking. There is absolutely no way I'd ever put myself in the position of signing off such a student, or even taking the remote gamble that the student might be prepared to take the checkride. Never. Does that have a direct implication to a discussion of employment for potential applicants for the job? It surely should. Is it relevant. It absolutely is. It's also something that the applicants should know long before they apply. Otherwise, why bother looking to a site such as this for information? Don't whitewash it. There's nothing professional or ethical about burying your head in the sand; the wages are poor, there's a lot of flying, and the students fail in droves, and have for a long time now. They eventually pass and go home...don't try to pretend otherwise. That students pass internal quizzes and exams after they've had access to photocopies of the tests before the class ever began (and they do--are you not aware??) is no demonstration of success. Call the spade a spade, for that's exactly what it is.

Like I said you're speaking to the masses whether it be an ethical issue or not.. Your opinion is that of your own. I assure you I'm not signing anyone off I don't feel comfortable signing off, maybe that's just me but I've talked to others at the company that share that safety/proficiency mentality.. You have to remember just because one CFI feels like it's not his problem that a student fails, another CFI looks at himself for allowing that guy to go especially if you had inclinations of it being a failure to begin with.... I assure you I will take a meeting with the bosses over my certificate being looked at with a huge checkride failure list.. So I'm not sure why you're painting targets... As I said before the check ride failures are going to happen regardless on some degree, however you're trying to compare oranges to apples from the respective of ab into foreign programs to FAA domestic students. Even then they give them a run for their money which is slightly ironic. Your point on "an applicant" for this job etc about failures is like I said... Up to them to sign them off not at the discretion of you having a job... If it comes to that for me I guess I'll have options still. The other point about pay.. I get paid better here than most of my friends which indeed it's sad FOR ALL OF US but I'm a pretty positive and thankful person at heart... What about all those FOs out there... Better not take those airline jobs guys because the pay is horrendous etc etc etc.... JohnBurke, dude get off the pessimistic train; I understand I'm YOUNG and "haven't been beaten down by the industry yet" professional pilot/instructor or whatever but seriously if all young aviators turned to you they would quit and never fly again if they weren't strong willed. This is a passion, and yes it is a job... Go do it the best you can with an eye for safety.. I'll know when I'm being pushed and when I'm not to do something.. I can very much afford to walk away if that day comes and from what I've seen and have been directly told by management that will not happen here. If you wanna go around the pattern more that's fine, I think I'm full stop bingo fuel here.

BlueSkies9
08-03-2015, 06:51 AM
GrassLandings and JohnBurke are both correct in their view of this place. Stay far away from TransPac. I encourage you to look them up on Glassdoor. See what instructors, mechanics, and administrative personnel have to say about this place. It is NOT a good (nor safe) place to work.

JohnBurke
08-03-2015, 11:24 AM
Your opinion is that of your own.

Don't confuse opinion with fact. Mine isn't opinion.

So I'm not sure why you're painting targets.

There's no "target" to be "painted" here. In a review of several hundred graduate students of your program, I was absolutely apalled at the number of endorsements for retests following failures; nearly every applicant had multiple failures, and most applicants had failures for each checkride. Additionally, I found numerous applicants that were unable to complete a takeoff or an approach.

dude get off the pessimistic train; I understand I'm YOUNG and "haven't been beaten down by the industry yet" professional pilot/instructor or whatever but seriously if all young aviators turned to you they would quit and never fly again if they weren't strong willed.

Did you just say "dude?"

Let's not confuse the truth with pessimism. You don't seem to understand the difference.

If you wanna go around the pattern more that's fine, I think I'm full stop bingo fuel here.

You really don't know what "bingo fuel" means, do you?

Flyboyxc91
08-03-2015, 11:46 AM
Don't confuse opinion with fact. Mine isn't opinion.



There's no "target" to be "painted" here. In a review of several hundred graduate students of your program, I was absolutely apalled at the number of endorsements for retests following failures; nearly every applicant had multiple failures, and most applicants had failures for each checkride. Additionally, I found numerous applicants that were unable to complete a takeoff or an approach.



Did you just say "dude?"

Let's not confuse the truth with pessimism. You don't seem to understand the difference.



You really don't know what "bingo fuel" means, do you?

It was a figure of speech that I don't need to sit here and waste my time talking to you about your opinions. I haven't had an applicant fail on me yet, I just asked my coworker who has been here 8 months if he has and he is 11/13 initial pass.. That's roughly 85% so like I said your opinion is your own and it varies based on instructor etc... If what you said was indeed truth then we wouldn't be able to keep a 141 certificate I'm sure of that. I'm instructing and I enjoy my job here as do most of my colleagues...

kingsnake2
08-03-2015, 02:33 PM
I work for a competitor of Transpac so I'd hope you choose us not them. Nonetheless, I would guess the FAA would be pretty upset if their first time pass rate was that low. They take pass rates seriously and we have to compile reports for that purpose to keep Part 141 self examining.

BlueSkies9
08-03-2015, 02:35 PM
It was a figure of speech that I don't need to sit here and waste my time talking to you about your opinions. I haven't had an applicant fail on me yet, I just asked my coworker who has been here 8 months if he has and he is 11/13 initial pass.. That's roughly 85% so like I said your opinion is your own and it varies based on instructor etc... If what you said was indeed truth then we wouldn't be able to keep a 141 certificate I'm sure of that. I'm instructing and I enjoy my job here as do most of my colleagues...

Flyboy,

By your own admission you state that you're young and your inexperienced enthusiasm reflects it. There's nothing wrong with that and you'll be cured of your lack of knowing as we all were. However as someone who has taught these students I can confirm the facts stated by JohnBurke and GrassLandings. Come back here after you've spent more time and tell us your opinion then. I'd be willing to bet that your perspective will have changed.

Flyboyxc91
08-03-2015, 06:14 PM
I work for a competitor of Transpac so I'd hope you choose us not them. Nonetheless, I would guess the FAA would be pretty upset if their first time pass rate was that low. They take pass rates seriously and we have to compile reports for that purpose to keep Part 141 self examining.

Good to see someone putting the "you can't have a 141 certificate" most likely from Burkes failure numbers. Nonetheless this is about being an instructor and being there for your students, do as much as you can for them because in many ways yes it's no secret.. This is a fast program; a fire hose from a fire hose type of deal.

BlueSkies9, I appreciate the words of modest opinion much more so than I previously have received in this thread so far. I'm enjoying it here and the flying is going well, the maintenance here is very good as far as I've seen yet. I'm not sure if you were here in the last few years but we are under new management and they've been very nice so I'll be here foreseeable to 1500TT.

BlueSkies9
08-04-2015, 08:31 AM
Good to see someone putting the "you can't have a 141 certificate" most likely from Burkes failure numbers. Nonetheless this is about being an instructor and being there for your students, do as much as you can for them because in many ways yes it's no secret.. This is a fast program; a fire hose from a fire hose type of deal.

BlueSkies9, I appreciate the words of modest opinion much more so than I previously have received in this thread so far. I'm enjoying it here and the flying is going well, the maintenance here is very good as far as I've seen yet. I'm not sure if you were here in the last few years but we are under new management and they've been very nice so I'll be here foreseeable to 1500TT.

Flyboy, I left back in 1Q of this year. I did NOT like what I saw there and neither did many others who left. Let's discuss some happenings that occurred before you were hired. Did the recruiter tell you that you will eventually be asked to work a day or two without pay? Don't worry, you will. Do you think management will work a day without pay as well? Or do you think they'll receive a big bonus off your back? This company does not care about you or your career. They care about their numbers. You're the tool that makes those numbers happen. Yes, that's true with any company but unpaid work is just plain wrong. I refused to work without pay. Can you? Will you? Do you have the backbone to stand up against such garbage? Or will you simply play along for "the hours?" Don't believe me? Ask some of the guys that have been around there long enough to remember "no pay for work day."

Ever ask yourself why a company that makes millions off foreign contracts still flies beat up airplanes with torn up interiors with tens of thousands of hours on the airframe? Ever think why each of those airplanes are pieced together from parts of other airplanes? Go out and LOOK at the airplanes. You'll find mismatched rudders, ailerons, screws laying around on the ramp. Ever ask yourself why new faces seem to be popping up in the MX hanger? Maybe because they can't keep the people ultimately responsible for your safety around long enough? Or, do you simply show up "for the hours?"

Did you ask the recruiter how many planes have struck fuel trucks on the ramp at KDVT or struck other airplanes at other airports within the past year? Yup, it's happened. And when it does happen, someone in Scottsdale will demand answers.

But hey, "it's for the hours."

PRS Guitars
08-04-2015, 12:33 PM
I am a CFII and MEI and have received several postcards from them trying to entice me to go to work for them. Maybe after I retire in 2 years, I'll take a look at what they have to offer. I currently live west of Phoenix about 20 miles so the commute would be easy
Don't sell yourself short Krudawg, plenty of opportunities out there for independent contractor CFI's. You can make $75+ an hour, fly when and with whom you want and not be slaving away 50 hours a week in retirement...

GrassLandings
08-04-2015, 01:06 PM
My biggest issue is that these students can and will be flying in the US. They will be the cause of the next Asiana 214 (and numerous other examples) because of how they are trained by transpac and places like trans pac. So yeah, I heavily, heavily dislike transpac and sharing the skies over the US with (most) foreign pilots. There I said it. Happy flyboy?

Identify. Verify. Feather. (In that order) Its not rocket science! ;)

Flyboyxc91
08-04-2015, 11:41 PM
My biggest issue is that these students can and will be flying in the US. They will be the cause of the next Asiana 214 (and numerous other examples) because of how they are trained by transpac and places like trans pac. So yeah, I heavily, heavily dislike transpac and sharing the skies over the US with (most) foreign pilots. There I said it. Happy flyboy?

Identify. Verify. Feather. (In that order) Its not rocket science! ;)

I'm happy, gonna get up and go to work in the morning.. I enjoy it, but I understand your viewpoint and that's fine.

TheWeatherman
08-05-2015, 01:28 PM
I guess this goes to show is that rarely is anything as good as they seem.

JohnBurke
08-12-2015, 10:54 PM
I'm happy, gonna get up and go to work in the morning.. I enjoy it, but I understand your viewpoint and that's fine.

Just happy to be there. Good for you.

None so blind as those who are just happy to be there.

Flyboyxc91
08-13-2015, 02:42 AM
Just happy to be there. Good for you.

None so blind as those who are just happy to be there.

Are you miserable with your life or something? Maybe You should get a psych evaluation... Yes I'm quite happy, oh and I just got a 20/20 non corrected from the AME :)

yeahbutstill
08-13-2015, 02:35 PM
Are you miserable with your life or something? Maybe You should get a psych evaluation... Yes I'm quite happy, oh and I just got a 20/20 non corrected from the AME :)

Which AME did you go to in Phoenix

JohnBurke
08-14-2015, 11:31 PM
... I think I'm full stop bingo fuel here.

And yet you drone on, still happy to be here. 20/20. Wow. You actually passed a medical, and yet are still too blind to see. Enjoy Transpac. You seem to be a perfect fit.

Flyboyxc91
08-21-2015, 01:23 PM
BUMP:

The next hiring classes have been announced for September 8th, and October 5th if anyone is interested PM me!

krudawg
08-21-2015, 04:03 PM
Are you miserable with your life or something? Maybe You should get a psych evaluation... Yes I'm quite happy, oh and I just got a 20/20 non corrected from the AME :)

20/20 is good. Not an issue for airline hiring since the rumor had it that the ADA decided that requiring 20/20 uncorrected is discrimination and most certainly not required to fly the heavy metal as long as you can correct to 20/20. I've needed glasses for distance since I was 25. I'm 62 now and still don't need cheaters to read approach plates or a newspaper.

GrassLandings
06-07-2016, 08:42 PM
Read the second post of this thread. Looks like Flyboy hates transpac after only 11 months and quit. WE TOLD YOU SOOOOOOO.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/flight-schools-training/95446-transpac-new-11-hour-work-day-policy.html#post2141681

Flyboyxc91
06-07-2016, 08:46 PM
Read the second post of this thread. Looks like Flyboy hates transpac after only 11 months and quit. WE TOLD YOU SOOOOOOO.

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/flight-schools-training/95446-transpac-new-11-hour-work-day-policy.html#post2141681

Yup, I think it's a horrible place to be for any instructors coming in and especially the WET ones that have no idea what's going on except their logbook will get numbers. So I withdraw my extremely optimistic approach but you do need to remain positive doin this work no matter where you are. It's just way different than being this optimistic looking back at the hindsight.

Flightcap
06-08-2016, 06:55 AM
GrassLandings, is your ego satisfied now? Someone learned a lesson and is a better professional for it.

GrassLandings
06-08-2016, 08:53 PM
GrassLandings, is your ego satisfied now? Someone learned a lesson and is a better professional for it.

Did you even read both threads? At the very least the first post of this thread? I'm not the bad guy here. Clearly he is a recruiter who is now at a new school. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the irony in this all.

Was I a bit sarcastic about this whole thing, and maybe a bit over the top with caps letters? Sure. You got me.

Flyboyxc91
06-08-2016, 10:49 PM
Did you even read both threads? At the very least the first post of this thread? I'm not the bad guy here. Clearly he is a recruiter who is now at a new school. I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees the irony in this all.

Was I a bit sarcastic about this whole thing, and maybe a bit over the top with caps letters? Sure. You got me.

I admitted my fault with being optimistic, I even came clean with inexperience and a WET certificate.. You have an ego problem and you got called out on it. Since I must be coming clean in my shortcomings as a young professional, I'll let you in on another fact.. I'm a 24 year old FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR not a recruiter. Have there been incentives ($500) for referral.. Yes. I've been very open about that and if you want to fault a man for trying to make bread then again.. Go look in the mirror and continue to be depressed or whatever the hell you are to come at people in such a blunt demeanor. Judging by the looks of things you're at Compass, and what a shame because I know a lot of good friends there, I may be there soon.. But I'll pray I don't end up on a trip with you because your attitude sucks.

yeahbutstill
06-16-2016, 09:37 AM
Hey Flyboy, just curious as to what made you change your opinion about Transpac

JohnBurke
06-16-2016, 12:17 PM
Are you miserable with your life or something? Maybe You should get a psych evaluation... Yes I'm quite happy, oh and I just got a 20/20 non corrected from the AME :)

Maybe I don't need that psych evaluation after all. Go figure.

In your youthful zeal to be right you managed to trample over everyone else who spoke the truth, tossing insults and poking jabs. At least you learned a lesson, "dude." You've got a lot more to come.

prwest
06-16-2016, 12:22 PM
I'm getting texts and phone calls wanting me to come work for transpac. They must be ramping up their hiring.

GrassLandings
06-16-2016, 01:00 PM
I admitted my fault with being optimistic, I even came clean with inexperience and a WET certificate.. You have an ego problem and you got called out on it. Since I must be coming clean in my shortcomings as a young professional, I'll let you in on another fact.. I'm a 24 year old FLIGHT INSTRUCTOR not a recruiter. Have there been incentives ($500) for referral.. Yes. I've been very open about that and if you want to fault a man for trying to make bread then again.. Go look in the mirror and continue to be depressed or whatever the hell you are to come at people in such a blunt demeanor. Judging by the looks of things you're at Compass, and what a shame because I know a lot of good friends there, I may be there soon.. But I'll pray I don't end up on a trip with you because your attitude sucks.

Call me out and claim I have some big ego, I dont care. You dont know me. But the fact is many other users on this forum, including my self feel the same way. Because of that many of us posted about how TP and the like, are not as good as you claim it to be, and gave facts as to why. Those facts, you blindly shrugged off initially, only to come to realization about them later on. I applaud you for that. It takes balls to admit you were wrong.
My attitude about this career, and life is great, I love the company I am at and I am grateful to be here. I have never been happier, in fact. Once again, you dont know me.

But people deserve a fair warning about what goes on at these pilot mills you work for. So that is why I chose to post on your cheerleading threads. Is that my Ego? No. A fair warning to my fellow pilots and CFI's, YES. Calling out your lies, that you just admitted are purely for personal monetary gain that you regret saying in the first place, even though you continue to do it with this new school. You betcha.;)

So because of dislike and disagreement with what you have been doing online, many others as well as myself express our dislike for it. That somehow makes me a bad guy to fly with at totally different operation? I beg to differ. Iv flown with many ex trans pac guys, always had a good time, good pilots. (no good reviews about the place from them either...) We all come from somewhere, I too was at similar operation. I know what its like to try and build hours.

I dont have a blunt demeanor about places like TP because of rumors. I have been there and done that. I have gone through everything you have, but with open eyes.
You want to know why I hate places like this? Because one of my previous employers did the same thing... empty promises, overworked, underpaid, paid a few extra bucks to employees to try to swindle guys into a sub par operation.
What happened to my demeanor you ask? Friends died who went to these type places based off the same lies you have been spewing.
When in reality, maintenance is cutting corners, management threats to fly when sick/tired, students who had no business being in an airplane to begin with get pushed through the program, all leaing to accidents. A few of which, took friends lives. This cycle continues today, thanks to guys like you. So yeah, I am ****ed off, and hope that these posts prevent someone from being suckered into these operations who have a habit of over promising, and under delivering.

krudawg
06-29-2016, 06:30 PM
Hey flyboy, the key to an airline job career is to remain highly mobile. Yes, you will work for some regrettable flying jobs but the key is get the flight time and move on. You increases your flight time but lowered your expectation of TransPac - So What! Move on down the road and know that flying jobs with horrible working conditions are a means to the end, that being getting the experience to be considered for the Majors. Best of luck!