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HalinTexas
01-31-2016, 05:22 PM
Korean pilots demand pay raise, or they may go to China - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/25/aviation/korean-air-pilot-pay-dispute/)


The Dominican
02-01-2016, 01:59 AM
KAL is losing both captains and F/O's to the expat pilots market..., not only to China, they are going to Japan, Vietnam and other places....., the rumor mill at KAL is that all the demands will be met to try to stop the bleeding because it is hurting them.

disco inferno
02-01-2016, 08:47 AM
I love this little gem of a quote "A 37% increase would be equivalent to $41,000 -- which is around the average salary of a normal employee in Korea and the request is unacceptable.".

This isn't an "average" job with average skill sets. If it was, they wouldn't need expats there to do it. They would just have the locals fly for them. Time to pay up or send cadet "We Tu Lo" of to flight training for $100k. Good luck operating your airline while it takes another 1 1/2 years to get a cadet trained, typed and line trained. It will be faster and cheaper to just shut up and pay the market rate for pilots.


NEDude
02-01-2016, 12:54 PM
Hard to feel sorry for Korean Air. I know several very well qualified applicants they have refused to even interview for unknown reasons. You cannot refuse to grant interviews to qualified candidates then complain about not having enough pilots.

DCA A321 FO
02-01-2016, 12:59 PM
Years ago there were a couple nightmare post by non-Koreans over on PPrune in regards to training and cockpit life.

http://www.pprune.org/south-asia-far-east/511088-korean-air-expats.html


Maybe their training department will lighten up.

tomgoodman
02-01-2016, 03:19 PM
If threatening to leave for China doesn't work, the pilots should announce that they will begin hand-flying visual approaches.
The company will cave at once. :eek:

Braniff DC8
02-01-2016, 07:31 PM
The recent contract from Rishworth had a pay cut. Also there are a lot of us out here who would go but CCL and Rishworth aren't very good.

Gilberto Farthi
02-01-2016, 08:22 PM
Ummmm… Oh.... $140,000 is a LOT for someone living in Korea. As far as I know $30,000/year is the average pay in the whole country. Hire new pilots and fire all those greedy ... :eek:

DCA A321 FO
02-01-2016, 09:16 PM
Ummmm… Oh.... $140,000 is a LOT for someone living in Korea. As far as I know $30,000/year is the average pay in the whole country. Hire new pilots and fire all those greedy ... :eek:

$30,000 might be the average on some survey but there is a large upper middle class or upper class population there. It would be hard to live on $30,000 there, everything is so expensive, from food to utilities. I bought one of my translators a pair of Levis, he politely told me he didn't want them, I asked why, he said they don't cost enough. His daily jeans cost $300, I asked how many pairs do you have, he said 7.

There seems to be many well off people there and many not so well off. I lived there for 2 years.

http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=114&loctype=1

Actually it does look like $30,000 is about average, wow, my rent was at least $1500 a month.

Gilberto Farthi
02-01-2016, 10:21 PM
$30,000 might be the average on some survey but there is a large upper middle class or upper class population there. It would be hard to live on $30,000 there, everything is so expensive, from food to utilities. I bought one of my translators a pair of Levis, he politely told me he didn't want them, I asked why, he said they don't cost enough. His daily jeans cost $300, I asked how many pairs do you have, he said 7.

There seems to be many well off people there and many not so well off. I lived there for 2 years.

Salary Survey in Korea (South)| Salary Comparison (http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=114&loctype=1)

Actually it does look like $30,000 is about average, wow, my rent was at least $1500 a month.

Yes, It may possible that I’m missing something… It might be for 10th year captain.

DCA A321 FO
02-01-2016, 10:46 PM
Korea as a country is awesome, really nice helpful people to foreigners, who don't work for KAL as pilots. If you like cold beer and spicy fried chicken you will be in heaven.

If guys are leaving for other countries it must be really bad. All my friends there are super family orientated.

jonnyjetprop
02-02-2016, 01:49 AM
The median household income in the US is $53,657. Many of us would not like to try to live on that as well.

Typical American family earned $53,657 last year - Sep. 16, 2015 (http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/16/news/economy/census-poverty-income/)



$30,000 might be the average on some survey but there is a large upper middle class or upper class population there. It would be hard to live on $30,000 there, everything is so expensive, from food to utilities. I bought one of my translators a pair of Levis, he politely told me he didn't want them, I asked why, he said they don't cost enough. His daily jeans cost $300, I asked how many pairs do you have, he said 7.

There seems to be many well off people there and many not so well off. I lived there for 2 years.

Salary Survey in Korea (South)| Salary Comparison (http://www.salaryexplorer.com/salary-survey.php?loc=114&loctype=1)

Actually it does look like $30,000 is about average, wow, my rent was at least $1500 a month.

The Dominican
02-02-2016, 04:00 AM
Ummmm… Oh.... $140,000 is a LOT for someone living in Korea. As far as I know $30,000/year is the average pay in the whole country. Hire new pilots and fire all those greedy ... :eek:

You are joking I hope......:confused:

You can fly a CRJ in Japan for higher pay than those guys are flying the A380...., all in a time when KAL is profitable and growing..., it isn't greed, it is fairness...!

Braniff DC8
02-04-2016, 05:28 AM
So does Orange Air pay more than that then johnnyprop?

jonnyjetprop
02-04-2016, 04:37 PM
So does Orange Air pay more than that then johnnyprop?

Yes. Pay scale is posted in profile section.



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