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WhiteH2O
02-06-2007, 03:03 PM
I hear that they just lowered their mins to 500/50. Can anyone confirm or deny?


diamnd15
02-06-2007, 03:33 PM
yeah i can confirm that, im there right now, and those MINS ARE TOO HIGH. anyone with a commerical multi is what our flight manager told us, so if you dare go ahead and send in your stuff, but be ready. the dec class had about a 50% wash out rate.

flynavyj
02-06-2007, 03:33 PM
their mins are as listed, but they are hiring well below the minimums as i doubt we'll ever see them actually "change" what's listed there. Good luck, but with 30% washout rates recently, you better be ready for what you could be getting into.


Jetrecruiter
02-06-2007, 03:34 PM
I hear that they just lowered their mins to 500/50. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Most likely true!!!!! TSA can not seem to pass most of their new hire classes....What a smart decision to low standards and get folks that are going to have a tough time with their ground school.

JoeyMeatballs
02-06-2007, 03:36 PM
timing is everything, I had 1200 total and 140 multi and they woudlnt touch me, Jack*sses

ANPBird
02-06-2007, 07:09 PM
timing is everything, I had 1200 total and 140 multi and they woudlnt touch me, Jack*sses

And you are now in a much better place! Good thing for you they were jack*asses. I would say your timing was pretty good. :)

reevesofskyking
02-06-2007, 10:33 PM
I am in the Dec class.
The 50% wash rate seems a bit high,
The ground is not too hard as it seems, but them people got to the oral and had a rough time, and most got that fixed, and then sims were/are pretty tough at times.
But relax and keeping your head up is about the best thing you can do.
Just stick with it.
I have yet to form an opinion on the training, never done it before till now
reeves

freezingflyboy
02-07-2007, 07:15 AM
timing is everything, I had 1200 total and 140 multi and they woudlnt touch me, Jack*sses

Thats called the "grace of God". Used in a sentence: "But for the grace of God go I":D

POPA
02-07-2007, 08:40 AM
Thats called the "grace of God". Used in a sentence: "But for the grace of God go I":D

Yeah, because XJT is on really solid footing right now.:rolleyes:
(By the way, the sentence you're thinking of begins with the word "there.")

AirWillie
02-07-2007, 10:00 AM
If you're getting on with just a commercial-multi, aren't you going to an FO for a long time while renting 172s to get that pic time??

diamnd15
02-07-2007, 10:29 AM
There have been many pilots in current classes and the previous classes with wet commercials. Many of whom have about 3-500 hrs and came from flight saftey and capt programs.

flyguy8307
02-07-2007, 01:44 PM
Something's got to give here...either A) the incredibly low hiring standards the company has now reduced itself to or B) the apparent intensity of the training program coupled with these high washout rates. It's no wonder TSA is desperate for FOs right now!

flynavyj
02-08-2007, 09:38 AM
the training program at TSA isnt very easy, but what it definately isn't is forgiving. You get your shot, you make it or go home, simply goes to show how much they really care about their employees, i understand it if a person simply isn't ready, but, if the trainers were putting solid effort into getting people through, then there wouldn't be half the people going into it, not making it.

Foxcow
02-08-2007, 09:40 AM
the training program at TSA isnt very easy, but what it definately isn't is forgiving. You get your shot, you make it or go home, simply goes to show how much they really care about their employees, i understand it if a person simply isn't ready, but, if the trainers were putting solid effort into getting people through, then there wouldn't be half the people going into it, not making it.




Yeah I was just going to say that. Its not hard because its tough training. Its hard because they do a crappy job.

reevesofskyking
02-08-2007, 10:22 AM
Could it be said that if training taught poorly, then that would make training tough.
If you are not provided with the correct tools for the job, then how can you be expected to do a good job.

I am not sure I can see how if new hires do not get the knowledge that they need to do well not to think the training is not tough

This was my first 121 job, and I had no idea if I had all the knowledge that I needed.
So I considered it tough at times

Does that make any sense

Reeves

POPA
02-08-2007, 10:42 AM
the training program at TSA isnt very easy, but what it definately isn't is forgiving. You get your shot, you make it or go home, simply goes to show how much they really care about their employees, i understand it if a person simply isn't ready, but, if the trainers were putting solid effort into getting people through, then there wouldn't be half the people going into it, not making it.

You can't possibly say that Jerry didn't go out of his way to make sure we all got through.

Foxcow
02-08-2007, 12:24 PM
Could it be said that if training taught poorly, then that would make training tough.
If you are not provided with the correct tools for the job, then how can you be expected to do a good job.

I am not sure I can see how if new hires do not get the knowledge that they need to do well not to think the training is not tough

This was my first 121 job, and I had no idea if I had all the knowledge that I needed.
So I considered it tough at times

Does that make any sense

Reeves

Its the company culture that is rotten to the core. They do just enough to be legal and barely get by. The rest is up to us. If I bought the airline, everyone in any form of management would be replaced. Flight managers, in flight, ramp, scheduling, maintenance, dispatch, etc.




You can't possibly say that Jerry didn't go out of his way to make sure we all got through.

There is always an exception to the rule. That guy is way better than the place he works for. I always love how he starts off with Terry Tate too :cool:

flynavyj
02-08-2007, 12:50 PM
Jerry is awesome man, you know that. Think there were some problems with both the classes and with flight safety instructors.

Popa, when we went through do you happen to remember what flight safety's CPT's would look like any nite of the week? packed, everyone doing flows and profiles, and those who couldn't get the cpt were watchin. I had a friend going through training in december, and i'd go to flight safety with him on occasion, every CPT was open, not a soul sitting anywhere, it kinda shocked me. So, i think part of the problem from sept. to dec. is that there isn't as much time spent prepping it seems.

My main company beef w/ trainign was that the flight safety instructors can be hit or miss (you get a good one, or he sux) and the company isn't to quick on making changes on that front, which leads to plenty of competent pilots getting the big red X on their first airline experience.

jeff122670
02-08-2007, 02:34 PM
regarding the washout rate, maybe it is because they are taking "anyone with a commercial multi".....

if you lower your mins to 5TT and a ride in a multi-engine airplane, i bet you will see the washout rate climb even higher.....

give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!

BYUFlyr
02-08-2007, 02:41 PM
regarding the washout rate, maybe it is because they are taking "anyone with a commercial multi".....

if you lower your mins to 5TT and a ride in a multi-engine airplane, i bet you will see the washout rate climb even higher.....

give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't doubt that may be a factor, but there is definately something that needs fixing within the department. When a checkride includes scenarios you've never seen before in the sim... there's something wrong.